3rd cycle, need feedback and help to prevent bloat and acne

**505** · 10-10-2013, 08:33 AM

Whats up guys, new to this forum and very excited to be here. In my opinion this is the best educational gear site on the web. Starting a new cycle in 3 weeks just wanted to post it and see what you guys think.

26
205
12-14% BF

Have done 2 previous cycles: Prop 50mg/ed for 8 weeks and Prop 75mg ed for 10 weeks. Gained about 30lbs each cycle and kept 80% of it (- water weight)

This cycle will be:

Weeks 1-8 Test prop 70mg ed
Weeks 1-8 Mast. prop 50mg ed
Weeks 3-8 Anavar 70mg/day (may up it to 90mg/day, ill see how I feel)

PCT

HCG 5000ui/week (might run at the end of the cycle as well)
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Goals 5-10 Lean lean lean gains. This is obv. a cutting cycle so im gonna be cutting cals so I want to harden up and maintain mass.

On my last two test cylcles my bloat was awful, even on prop. My face looked like a balloon. Also, I was never had acne when I was teen but during my last two cycles it was awful (only on my shoulders and back).

How can I prevent the bloat and acne? I love putting on weight and looking cut but I hate the balloon face I get.

And if anyone has experience with this cycle or Mast. please share!
Thanks guys!

**redz** · 10-10-2013, 08:43 AM

You should run an ai like adex and don't run 5000iu hcg per week maybe 500iu.

**Docd187123** · 10-10-2013, 08:46 AM

You'll need an AI to help with bloat and acne. And don't do 5000iu/wk of HCG for pct. Run it from day one at 250iu 2x/wk until 4days before you begin PCT

**505** · 10-10-2013, 08:51 AM

I was under the impression that running HCG for a long period of time might make the teste not respond to it anymore. How true is that?

How much adex should I run?

Thanks!

**505** · 10-21-2013, 06:22 PM

Hi guys,

I just got the HCG but there is two little bottles, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with them. Usually I only get the powder and mix it directly with the BA water (I already have that)

Can someone please help a fella out?

Thanks!

**505** · 10-21-2013, 08:17 PM

Help please?

**dnyce** · 10-21-2013, 08:55 PM

Try 12.5mg aromasin EOD or E3D, its strong stuff.

**qscgugcsq** · 10-21-2013, 08:57 PM

Seems like some organon HCG you got their.

Got exactly the same.

I just put 1 ml bac water in the ampoule with hcg.

and put that ml in another vial with 4ml of bac water(5000ui ampoule-5ml)
1000ui/ml

I didnt use the ampoule of solvent.

**qscgugcsq** · 10-21-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by dnyce

Try 12.5mg aromasin EOD or E3D, its strong stuff.

Dont do that..

half life of aromasin is really short. and aromasin is a bad AI...

12.5mg/day is a mininum
I would advise 25mg/daily.

But a better option is to get some arimidex .

**MuscleInk** · 10-21-2013, 09:01 PM

What makes you say it's bad?

You just prescribed the same starting dose to treat adjuvant and advanced/metastatic breast adenocarcinoma by the way.

**Bio-Active** · 10-21-2013, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by qscgugcsq

Dont do that..

half life of aromasin is really short. and aromasin is a bad AI...

12.5mg/day is a mininum
I would advise 25mg/daily.

But a better option is to get some arimidex.

Aromasin is a bad ai? That's news to me

**dnyce** · 10-21-2013, 09:08 PM

When I used 12.5mg a day I was experiencing sides of low E while on 1G a week. Its a very strong AI, at lease for me.

**crazy mike** · 10-21-2013, 09:18 PM

I'm so confused here. Sounds like someone is in the dark with the wrong advice

OP no matter what you use you need to use some AI Make a decision and get the protocol correct before you start this cycle. ...crazy mike

**505** · 10-21-2013, 09:44 PM

I already got adex e3d .25mg, but my concern was the HCG , I wasn't sure how to mix since the stuff I got is different from what I had in my previous cycles

**505** · 10-21-2013, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by qscgugcsq

Seems like some organon HCG you got their.

Got exactly the same.

I just put 1 ml bac water in the ampoule with hcg.

and put that ml in another vial with 4ml of bac water(5000ui ampoule-5ml)
1000ui/ml

I didnt use the ampoule of solvent.

Alright bro thanks a lot, so I gotta order some vials now :/

Can I use an empty test bottle as a vial? lol

What's the solvent for? Do you have any idea?

Thanks!!

PS: As advised I'll be running hcg twice a week 250ui

**505** · 10-21-2013, 09:59 PM

I also got some pharma grade accutane, should I use it to prevent acne or no? I know it's not the best for you, I'm afraid I'm gonna mess things up without a doc supervising my blood levels

**crazy mike** · 10-21-2013, 10:16 PM

505 you really need to stop what you are doing and get educated. It seems you have so many Q's that it sound like you haven't done enough research. This can be dangerous. Please rethink and read up. ..crazy mike

**MuscleInk** · 10-21-2013, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by dnyce

When I used 12.5mg a day I was experiencing sides of low E while on 1G a week. Its a very strong AI, at lease for me.

How do you know it was low E. Same symptoms manifest with high E.

**qscgugcsq** · 10-22-2013, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Aromasin is a bad ai? That's news to me

Exemestane-The Underdosed AI

Aromasin doesn't work?

Originally Posted by dnyce

When I used 12.5mg a day I was experiencing sides of low E while on 1G a week. Its a very strong AI, at lease for me.

I've used pharma grade aromasin at 12.5mg/Day OFF CYCLE, And felt absolutly no sign of low E2, actually I started to feel better due to the drop in SHBG who increased my Testosterone free.

So On cycle, 12.5mg/day seems way not enough

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So except if BW are done regularly to see exactly where your E2 stand, Arimidex is a better choice than aromasin IMO

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2013, 11:14 AM

There are also published articles suggesting aromasin may be better on lipid profiles than anastrozole but the relationship is complex and somewhat inconclusive.

My understanding of some of the complaints about aromasin's ineffectiveness steamed from a single supplier/source. Similar suggestions were made of arimidex .

I wouldn't dismiss aromasin so readily. It is a potent and powerful aromatase suppressor and the side effect profile is somewhat more advantageous over arimidex.

I will certainly agree that the most empirical and practical approach is to take either compound and monitor blood levels of E2. If one is not regulating aromatase activity correctly (based on circulating estrogen), then dose adjust or switch compounds.

**EasyDoesIt** · 10-22-2013, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

There are also published articles suggesting aromasin may be better on lipid profiles than anastrozole but the relationship is complex and somewhat inconclusive.

My understanding of some of the complaints about aromasin's ineffectiveness steamed from a single supplier/source. Similar suggestions were made of arimidex .

I wouldn't dismiss aromasin so readily. It is a potent and powerful aromatase suppressor and the side effect profile is somewhat more advantageous over arimidex.

I will certainly agree that the most empirical and practical approach is to take either compound and monitor blood levels of E2. If one is not regulating aromatase activity correctly (based on circulating estrogen), then dose adjust or switch compounds.

Love Aromasin!

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2013, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Love Aromasin!

I've tried all three. In order of preference:
1. Aromasin
2. Arimidex
3. Letrozole (only in emergencies when E2 has "run away")

**EasyDoesIt** · 10-22-2013, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I've tried all three. In order of preference:
1. Aromasin
2. Arimidex
3. Letrozole (only in emergencies when E2 has "run away")

I am with you on that preference list. Started Arimidex through anti-aging doc when first introduced to AAS. Then due to this site switched to Aromasin and like it better. Have friends using it now and they all like it better. Funny thing is Anti-Aging clinics i dealt with do not sell it.

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

I am with you on that preference list. Started Arimidex through anti-aging doc when first introduced to AAS. Then due to this site switched to Aromasin and like it better. Have friends using it now and they all like it better. Funny thing is Anti-Aging clinics i dealt with do not sell it.

Aromasin is off patent and as retarded as that sounds, Docs push arimidex because its still on patent. Really stupid reason I know.

**EasyDoesIt** · 10-22-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Aromasin is off patent and as retarded as that sounds, Docs push arimidex because its still on patent. Really stupid reason I know.

Oh interesting, i didn't know that.

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Oh interesting, i didn't know that.

We hand out arimidex samples to patients like gum but can't get a single sample of Aromasin because of patent expiration. Ridiculous.

**EasyDoesIt** · 10-22-2013, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

We hand out arimidex samples to patients like gum but can't get a single sample of Aromasin because of patent expiration. Ridiculous.

Would it be because they can charge more for arimidex due to still being patent drug?

**MuscleInk** · 10-23-2013, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Would it be because they can charge more for arimidex due to still being patent drug?

There's your answer right there!

It's often about the reimbursement rates and physician incentives. Docs get discounts to buy and patients pay full price (except when given samples of course).

I'd like to tell you that drugs are always chosen based on benefit and minimizing adverse events, but those factor in AFTER costs.