First cycle advice

[iwantitallnow]

Hello all,

I plan to run a 12week cycle of test e, tren a, and dbol (as a kick start). Also, will use 0.5 of Arimidex EOD.

Weeks 1-12: Test E :500mg/week
Weeks 1-6: DBOL at 40mg/day
Weeks 6-12: Tren A at 100mg EOD

Weeks 1-12: Arimidex at 0.5mg EOD

It should be noted that this is my first steroid cycle ever. However, I did complete two pro-hormone cycles before with great success.

Thank you.

[ngeorge]

you are just 21.

[iwantitallnow]

I will not discuss my age. I asked for advice. Thank you.

[ngeorge]

drop Tren . Test E only for 1st cycle. 250iU hcg 2x a week. And PCT as well

[Back In Black]

I think your user name says everything.

Read these

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

We preach safe cycling here. You don't want to hear it then tough, sorry.

What is your height, weight, bodyfat%?

[ngeorge]

agree with Back in Black

[Reiid13]

I will not discuss my age. I asked for advice. Thank you.

People just wont discuss advice with you then , you have to understand that at youg ages ( you being 21) you produce plenty of natty test .

[iwantitallnow]

18yrs old
5'6
140lbs
15% BF

It used to be 124lbs; after two Prohormone cycles my weight increased from 124 to 145, and then leveled off at 140lbs. Before that, I worked out naturally for 6 months and only put on 4lbs of mass. Ironically, the natty gains were much more easier to lose than those that I gained while on pro-hormones. I think I just have a shitty genetics, which should explain it all.

[lui]

Man i did my first cycle last summer, just on test E because i wanted to do it the smart way. Just for the test E alone i sometimes had little anxiety. Tren is known for causing anxiety, if you add the tren short breath you could end up having ****ed up panic attacks.

I know you are excited to get results and get big but people like the ones you want look like probably started the same way, knowing their bodies reactions to compounds.
You are owner of your life and health sure you can do whatever you want, but we are giving you the same advice we would give to a friend: dont rush it.

[lui]

18yrs old
5'6
140lbs
15% BF

It used to be 124lbs; after two Prohormone cycles my weight increased from 124 to 145, and then leveled off at 140lbs. Before that, I worked out naturally for 6 months and only put on 4lbs of mass. Ironically, the natty gains were much more easier to lose than those that I gained while on pro-hormones. I think I just have a shitty genetics, which should explain it all.

lol you still have much work to do... natty gains will still come easily, come back after 3-4 years and then maybe we can talk
not to mention you are just 18.. no offense but steroids arent for you yet

[iwantitallnow]

waiting several years is not an option. I need to be at least 180+pounds by May, and period. I won't discuss the reasons.

[ngeorge]

well....you might get really bad strech marks

[lui]

waiting several years is not an option. I need to be at least 180+pounds by May, and period. I won't discuss the reasons.

I dont think theres a normal reason needed to exceed certain body weight. The fact that you dont dare to say means you know its ridiculous for us to hear.
You want to be more attractive to girls? Its the only thing i can think of.

Just try one compound after another each time man, people dont say it to piss off people, its the clever way to do it. Test gave me nice appetite and nice gains.

[iwantitallnow]

No, it's because all my friends are 160-170lbs and are ripped and attractive. I am considered a looser because of my height and relatively low weight with fat. I want to show them who is the looser here, when I walk in as a 180pound ripped fighter.

as I said, I worked out for 6months and lost all those gains in 2 weeks or so, when I traveled to a different country and didn't look for my nutrition. Yet with pro-hormones, I kept most of my gains despite changes to my diet from time to time.

[iwantitallnow]

FYI, I placed tren for last 6 weeks so I can get rid of all the fat that would accumulate during dbol usage.

[Back In Black]

No matter what, if you gain 40lbs by May the majority of that weight will be fat. Your natural testosterone levels should be sky high right now, provided you haven't already screwed them with your PH cycles.

So, instant gratification in 4 months time will be worth a lifetime of potential health problems? Not being able to get an erection? If you even want to have sex in the first place. Limiting your endocrine and HPTA system because it may never fully develop?

Mate, nobody here worth their membership is going to recommend any 18 year old cycles. Please hit up our nutrition and lifting section, learn and apply.

Oh, and 'friends' that call you loser aren't worthy of the name. Fvck those cvnts and get some friends who like you for who you are and respect what you trying to achieve.

[lui]

Man i wish you could see me before and after 5 years of natty training. I was skinny pretty close to that actor called DJ Qualls.
I went from around 128 lbs to almost 163 (with less than 14% bodyfat, which gives me a good appearance), the first 20 lbs came super fast, like in less than 5 to 7 months. Most people probably wont believe it. I always lifted hard because i wanted so much to get bigger. And with no partner! Everybody that joined me left the gym. I had some "gymhead" friends that started 2 years before me and i got to their level, when they saw me at a club with a fit tshirt they were amazed. This can happen to you too.

What im trying to say is, you still have much to do by yourself and your natural test, dont play with chemicals yet. If you trust people who advice you to not use (or at least dont use that much) you will be really really thankful in the future and you will know that adding so much stuff was just plain stupid.

You dont need to use gear to get to that weight man, eat like a beast and have discipline at the gym, you WILL get big.

[king_rick]

i was sorta in lui's boat put 20kg's on in 8-10 months natty. shortcuts never pay off learn discipline and get to your genetic potential naturally then maybe just maybe run a cycle. dont be a retard dude.

[iwantitallnow]

No matter what, if you gain 40lbs by May the majority of that weight will be fat

Please explain to me how a person who is using Tren , adex, and test will gain "40lbs of fat." Sounds preposterous to me.

[king_rick]

Please explain to me how a person who is using Tren, adex, and test will gain "40lbs of fat." Sounds preposterous to me.

because, retard no one is going to gain 40lbs of muscle by may it just can't happen if you were to get that weight in that time most of it would be fat. you clearly know sweet fk all if your planning to run test, tren and whatever the fk for a first cycle. good luck anyway youll need it by the sounds of it.

[king_rick]

with no pct i might add lololololol

[Reiid13]

Please explain to me how a person who is using Tren, adex, and test will gain "40lbs of fat." Sounds preposterous to me.

Lmao you think steroids will put on 40lbs of lean hard muscle by may ?

[Reiid13]

Lmao you think steroids will put on 40lbs of lean hard muscle by may ?

And even if you did ( which you wont ) you'd still have to cut to be 'ripped'

[Oki-Des]

I know that you have not received the responses you were hoping for. And maybe some of the comments were a little more rude than expected. But if you did a little research you would see why your plan is not good. If you only go to the steroid profiles page and pick out the strongest compounds to base your first cycle on, without researching them further, this is what you will get. No one here would ever suggest to anyone at any age to try tren on their first go at AAS. I do not care if it is for the last several weeks or not. This is simply not something anyone should do first and if you read any threads on this, or any threads on other who wanted to do the same thing, you would see the same thing. No one knows who you are so do not take anything personally. People are only attacking your plan, and the more you learn the more you will see why. Imagine if you were on a skiing forum and said I have never going skiing before, but for my first run I am going to be dropped off on the top of a cliff and do a few 60 foot cliff drops over jagged rocks. You would probably get the same types of responses on their too. You would be told to learn more about skiing and start off on some smaller mountains to get an understanding of the basics first. You gave enough information in your post to let many people know you are not ready for that; it is as simple as that.

[Back In Black]

Please explain to me how a person who is using Tren, adex, and test will gain "40lbs of fat." Sounds preposterous to me.

Can you explain to me how you can gain 10lbs of muscle per month for 4 months running. That, young man, is preposterous. (Great word by the way)

[austinite]

This is ridiculous.

[Back In Black]

This is ridiculous.

Nooooooo, I want to gain 80lbs of muscle this year then I can be Mr Olympia next year. It's easy, right? Bit of tren and a'dex, no problem.

[diesel101]

I feel soo much smarter after reading this thread.

[iwantitallnow]

I listened to bodybuilder Bostin Loyd. He said that when you do your first cycle, you are going to put 20-30lbs no matter what. He also said that he ran a superdrol cycle and went from 170 to 230 in 4 weeks.

[Back In Black]

I listened to bodybuilder Bostin Loyd. He said that when you do your first cycle, you are going to put 20-30lbs no matter what. He also said that he ran a superdrol cycle and went from 170 to 230 in 4 weeks.

60lbs after a 4 week super drol cycle? Fvck me, that idiot is more of an idiot than the idiot we all think he is.

Yes, you can gain 20-30lbs on your first cycle if you really try. But most of that is fat and water NOT LBM. Soon after PCT that gain MIGHT be 15lbs if you are lucky and do EVERYTHING right.

Why do you think we are lying to you?

BTW that idiot will probably be dead or in terrible health by the time he is 50.

[iwantitallnow]

Fvck me, that idiot is more of an idiot than the idiot we all think he is.

But he won the overall contra costa, how he is an idiot?

[Back In Black]

But he won the overall contra costa, how he is an idiot?

If you wanna fvck your long term health up then feel free. Just because somebody wins something doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Or reckless.

You have plenty of advice. Take it or leave it. I'm out.

[iwantitallnow]

But most of that is fat and water NOT LBM.

How can you gain fat if you are on tren ? Tren has a 10/10 rating in its cutting capabilities.

[Back In Black]

How can you gain fat if you are on tren? Tren has a 10/10 rating in its cutting capabilities.

Try it. Take tren and consume 10000 calories a day, see what happens.

You have MUCH to learn. Please do some reading before you fvck yourself up.

[Oki-Des]

Well if you received your info from a body builder I can see why you would believe them. Unfortunately it seems completely impossible to go from 170 to 230 in four weeks. I don't even think this would be common or possible if you were trying to gain fat, water weight and more fat. We can only offer advice based on our own experiences and if you are speaking to a body builder I just hope he isn't the person trying to sell you gear as they would have a biased opinion and may not be telling the truth. Good luck with whatever you do or choose to believe.

[iwantitallnow]

10000 calories a day

And why did you assume that I will be eating 10k calories a day? A person like myself who is eating 3k calories a day, and works out on a daily basis, and takes tren won't be able to gain 30lbs fat.

[Cuz]

I want it all know too, but shit aint gonna happen.

too young to cycle, your not ready yet and tren your first cycle??? lol

[Back In Black]

And why did you assume that I will be eating 10k calories a day? A person like myself who is eating 3k calories a day, and works out on a daily basis, and takes tren won't be able to gain 30lbs fat.

3000cals you won't gain anywhere near 30lb of anything.

As I said, I'm out, I'm not posting in this thread again.

Good luck.

[Reiid13]

Mate you need to just get it in your head that it takes time , and isnt a overnight fix .

Get a gym routine and a diet plan , and put some effort into looking good .

You dont want to be on TRT all your life .

You should not look at your mates and think ' ohh I wanna be like them , so steroids is the answer'

[diesel101]

OP I am not going to bash you but you need to stop and listen to some of these members these guys know more about gear and running cycles than most of us will never come close to having half their knowledge. They are trying to help you not argue with you and yes some of them get a little short tempered but can you blame them when they try to help and it gets thrown back in their face.