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Hi guys I'm looking into starting a dnp cycle. I'm 5'10 200lbs 17% bf. I have a good diet down and have been working out for about 6 years. I just need help on the cycle nothing else. I was thinking of doing 14 days on the cycle with 200mg then after seeing how it is increase it to 400mg. I want to know when during the day is it best to take. And I was wanting to run an ec stack with it for appetite suppression.
Thanks
You like going blind?
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Mate TBH your a idiot if you start DNP , 17% BF ?? Just cardio and eat right atleast chicken , broccoli and a jog never made anyone's heart literally explode . There is nothing DNP will give you that cardio and proper nutrition wouldn't. Look up Clenbuterol if you must take something.
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Originally Posted by tarmyg
Well like everything I know that's a possible side effect but it isn't guaranteed to happen if I'm not abusing it. Which is why I posted on the site so I can make sure my plan is the safest possible while using DNP.
Well I know about Clen. But ec stack works better for me than Clen. What's the point in calling me an idiot. I just want some proper help on my dnp cycle. Can someone actually help me. More insults on the site than people trying to help.
I see no insult only me and Reiid13 telling you this is not a good idea. You are a dumb fck if you try this, now that is an insult!
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If you dont drink enough water , you'll overheat your core and dieQuote:
Originally Posted by GL88
if you do anything to demanding / your heart rate rockets - you can have a heart attack and die
DNP can literally cook you inside out ,and the problem is ,is when someone just thinks 'Mehhh red bull could give you a heart attack , DNP wont kill me',DNP is probably the worlds most potent fat burner , but it also has a high death ratio .
You should really re-think this , as its not something that should be taken lightly , especially as your 17% BF and you could drop down lower in a relatively short amount of time with just good training and diet
Amen to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by tarmyg
I am aware of all the dangers it's not like I'm new to this stuff. But I get it that you guys don't want me taking it. I'll ask my questions on other forums maybe they'll help me without anything else.
Mate if you can't drop below 17% without poison then your diet is poor. You'd be better of spending time in our nutrition forum and doing cardio.
Post your diet plan in the right section for assistance.
Any forum that helps you without trying to put you off using DNP clearly has irresponsible members
You ask some of the biggest , badest bodybuilders on this website , people who do comps .... and i bet you they'd think your silly taking DNP
Look, you are asking questions wanting a certain answer and since this is the Internet if you ask enough people you will sooner or later get the answer you are looking for. Is it the correct one? Who knows but, speaking only for myself, will not tell you about what cycle to use on something that, most likely, will have detrimental effect on your health. A quick search on these forums and you should have a pretty good damn idea about DNP and why not to use it. But sure, go ahead and move on and someone will tell you it's a good idea since that is the answer you want to hear.
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Bit of a contradiction to say you're not new to this even though it's your first cycle of the stuff.
Just think about this, DNP is used as an industrial dyeing agent, do you really want that s**t in your body?
I just wanted help on the questions that I had asked. And I was aware of all the sides and I had decided to take it after doing a lot of research and seeing that I saw a lot more positives with users than negatives. But anyways I've decided not to use it.
Thanks
Hard to complain when you're dead. Glad to see you've thought better of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GL88
Your research has clearly been minimal with that sweeping statementQuote:
Originally Posted by GL88
However , good choice you'll certainly be healthier for not taking it
Firstly, every member that posted is correct, taking DNP is a bad idea.
Secondly, there is a wealth of false and misinformation about DNP. For example, cycling it will not make you go blind, and a lack of water (as if that's even possible on DNP) will not overheat your core and kill you. Such eventualities, can only occur during gross negligence or via accidental exposure.
Thirdly, DNP has a VERY strong appeal, and MANY steroid.com users from newbies to Hall-of-Famers have tried it. Nevertheless, DNP is a poison, and should not be taken. However, poisons (substances that inherently harm, disable, and kill living organisms) have their place, and are taken when killing is what's called for...most notably in combating cancer cells, as ALL chemotherapy drugs [and I use the term lightly because they are actually chemo-poisons] along with radiation therapy are poisonous to living organisms.
Fourthly, this site was designed with the comprehensive goal of informing, educating, instructing, and cautioning individuals in the use of anabolic steroids and related compounds and practices. Regrettably, DNP does in fact fall into this site's purview. And, although I'm glad to see so many members execute the last [cautioning] purpose in the above list of site responsibilities, I am disheartened by the way in which it was done, and by the failure to practice the other purposes.
As stated, DNP allure is great, and I feel that when a person is determined to use this poison, and is trying to do so in a safe manner...which by the way is not oxymoronic (no more than one can safely administer chemo-poisons in life-threatening instances), that we as the gatekeepers of this body of knowledge should aid said individual in doing so as safely as possible. If we shrug so great responsibility, he or she will no doubt go elsewhere and MORE THAN LIKELY receive improper instruction which could possibly be tragic.
It is for this reason, that I provide DNP information in my signature, and why I wrote (specifically for this site) and sold to Brian a complete cautionary, informative, educational, and yes even instructive work entitled, 'The Whole Truth About DNP' wherein I thoroughly and clearly outline all the reasons not to use it, and for those who are insistent, how to safely do so. I ask that GL88 and anyone else who is interested take the time to: read and absorb the truths in this work; join the fight to dissuade would-be users; and in the spirit of brotherhood (rather than mockery) enlighten them as well.
The Whole Truth About DNP - Steroid.com
Magic32, I have actually previously read your article about DNP and am thankful for you writing it. Like GL88, I considered using DNP after seeing an article about it on the website of a well known supplement brand talking of how powerful a fat burner it is. However, I was lucky enough to find your article and I decided against it. The whole thing can be summarised in one quote: "...It Simply is NOT Worth It!"
I personally did not mean to bash GL88 for his choice as I know the allure but I worry about the fact anyone who has "researched" DNP would want to use it once they know the facts.
This is an awesome response! Thank you for posting it!Quote:
Originally Posted by magic32
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WOW ! What a read !
Thanks magic very insightful
Im not sure whats worse DNP the posion
Or the poisonus idea in the minds of people that DNP might be worth it.
But its great that somone like you can atleast tell the victims how to be as safe as possible
Awsome job !
Best thing I learned today was:
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Q. Is DNP fat loss permanent?A. “No”, as explained above DNP fat loss is subject to the body’s homeostatic corrective mechanisms, which restore normalcy (including fat reserves) within the body.
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To the op. I have used dnp. I will keep this short. Dnp is the first and only thing i have taken in my life where the side effects where actually understated. Nothing will prepare you for how hot you feel if dose goes to high
All fat loss is subject to this. Dnp is no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarmyg
OP,
A lot of very informative material, opinions, and impressions surrounding 2,4-dinitrophenol use provided by members. Although the Internet is a conduit to many resources on DNP, your "research" should also include a detailed review of its toxicities as published in the peer reviewed medical journals. The Internet contains a wealth of knowledge but its not always clear what credentials someone may or may not have when they are posting entries on the Internet about DNP.
Peer reviewed medical journals are, at a minimum, based on a scientific body of evidence, many times from medical experts studying the mechanisms of action and disease in controlled study designs. That's not to say they are always correct, but when conducting your research always consider the source. You wouldn't go see your mechanic about a tooth ache would you?
Here is a small sample of controlled scientific studies published on DNP.
Philips & Singer. (2013). Peripheral neuropathy due to dinitrophenol use. Journal of Neurology 80(8) 773-774.
Grundlingh Et al. (2011). 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP): a weight loss agent with significant acute toxicity and risk of death. Journal of Medical Toxicology 7(3) 205-212.
Siegmueller & Narasimhaih. (2010). Fatal 2,4-dinitrophenol poisoning. Coming to a hospital near you. Journal of Emergency Medicine. 27(8$ 639-640.
Suozzi et al. (2005). DNP: a deadly way to lose weight. Journal of Emergency Medical Services, 30(-) 82-89.
McFee et al. (2004). Dying to be thin: dinitrophenol related fatalities. Veterinary and Human Toxicology, 46(5) 251-254.
Jiang et al. (2011). 2,4 dinitrophenol poisoning caused by NON-oral exposure. Toxicology and Industrial Health. 27(4) 323-327.
[the last one is interesting because it shows that exposure from skin contact or inhalation can be lethal of doses are high enough - generally only industrial risks, but still underlines the potential lethality of this compound!!!]
Wow, that's brilliant MuscleInk, been trying to build up a bibliography for myself for use on matters such as chemicals, training, nutrition and rehabilitation for use on both a personal and academic level. Would never have thought to look for those articles considering the fact it's virtually impossible to get approval for a proper study.
Thanks Friesian. You are correct. There aren't many controlled studies comparing DNP with other compounds or lifestyle choices for weight loss due to the toxicity of DNP. Many published "studies" are case studies or epidemiological data reviewing reported toxicities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friesian
Huh? What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by michael30
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From what I gather your saying no fatloss is permanent ? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by michael30
And DNP fatloss is the same ? :/
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Originally Posted by tarmyg
What im saying is if you lose fat. It will come back if the proper steps arent made. (Diet and exercise) dnp is no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiid13
Tarmyg sorry wasnt pickin on ya. That quote you posted was misleading. Yes dnp fatloss can be permanent. You just have to adjust diet and excercise accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarmyg
Q. Is DNP fat loss permanent?Quote:
Originally Posted by michael30
A. "No", as explained above DNP fat loss is subject to the body's homeostatic corrective mechanisms, which restore normalcy (including fat reserves) within the body.
( was taken from magics DNP guide)
@ michael30 - The reason I put this up was not to be argumentative , but simply because I want to learn more about DNP , especially the facts vs broscience
Reiid no offense taken. I will have to go back an read all of magcs thread. That quote is misleading. It does not mean you will gain the weight back no matter what you do. It only means you will gain the weight back if you dont eat correctly or excercise. For example ive kept all the wieght off and more for over 2 years.
Also the key word in that quote to pay attention to is the word "subject" which means likely or prone to effect. So by definition alone that means weight gain is likely or prone but not a absolute certainty.
I believe what it actually means is that although DNP will help you lose bodyfat, it will not destroy the fat cells. Whilst you may be able to lose weight, the number of these will not change, only the cross-sectional dimensions will. These are still subject to the normal rules.
It's like if you have a lump of clay, you could remove part of it but there would still be an original piece, although of diminished size. You can add and subtract from the original, but you cannot make it just not exist.
Fat cells stay the same during your entire lifetime unless you do liposuction. They only expand or shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friesian
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Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to say. Guess I didn't explain it as well as I thought.
I think everyone responses are right. I'd add ECA stack and more cardio. If that's not enough albuterol is good less side then clen or albuterol/T3 . DO either one or the other. T3 at least for me is extreme it's murder on my hair line
I've done DNP before, it's effective and as long as you research all the supporting sups to take with it, keep your dose low, and drink shitloads of water you'll survive.
I did 250mg/day for a month once, 500mg/day for 10 days, and then I've even ramped it up to 750mg on some occasions (don't expect to lift on this dosage...)
Honestly man...it's better to just cardio. If you did 200mg a day and never went higher you could see some nice results and have practically no risk but don't go above that...you'll just feel like shit all the time.
Cardio cardio cardio