Anavar Only Cycle

[Revnet]

I need some thoughts on my first cycle. Please do not PIPE in w/you need test. I just need a few recommendations from people who run anavar only cycles if my setup looks good. More concerned about the PCT than anything else. Please advise.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Nolva 20mg ED Weeks 9-12

LIVER PROTECTION
Milk Thistle

LIPID PROTECTION
Flax Oil

[marcus300]

You do need test because the var will shut your natural test down and this will have a negative impact on you.

How long have you been training?
stats?

[Revnet]

2 Years, 5'11 / 180 lbs / 11% bodyfat.

[Revnet]

and 40 yrs old.

[testluva]

If your only doing 20-25 mg ED maybe ok but at 40-50mg you need test or expect to be shut down.

[Revnet]

I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.

[marcus300]

I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.

Your new and have no idea how to design a proper cycle or pct so when experienced users tell you that your doing it wrong you need to take note. Var will shut your natural test down and you do need test. Dropping BF is all related to your diet and cardio regime all you need to do is adjust this for further gains, its a constant changing environment which you have to adapt to keep achieving goals.

You should run a small dose of test but if you wont listen no probs, all the best

[Revnet]

You're right. I have no idea how to design a proper cycle this is why I came to the message board to discuss this w/experienced users. However, You obviously have never ran a var ONLY cycle before. There are lots of people who have. I was looking at getting advice from someone who has ran a var only cycle and wanted to hear from them on my plan. I choose not to do test but I would like to hear from someone who has ran a var only cycle if possible.

[Brett N]

Revnet, you are correct in saying that there are lots who have run Anavar only cycles. There are also lots who are on TRT for the rest of their lives because they have ****ed up their testosterone production. Why would you want to risk doing permanent damage just to prove that you may possibly be ok?

Supplementing your anavar cycle with a little bit of test, hcg and an ai (of course proper PCT) will yield the results you are looking for and more likely even more and will leave your system as good as when you started. Search through the forums and you will find bad story after bad story of members who did things wrong the first time and have to live with their side effects.

Good luck in your search, If I searched long enough I would find someone that would agree with most likely anything I could dream up on the internet ...that doesn't make it good for me.

[marcus300]

You're right. I have no idea how to design a proper cycle this is why I came to the message board to discuss this w/experienced users. However, You obviously have never ran a var ONLY cycle before. There are lots of people who have. I was looking at getting advice from someone who has ran a var only cycle and wanted to hear from them on my plan. I choose not to do test but I would like to hear from someone who has ran a var only cycle if possible.

Really think about what you just said above lol

[tarmyg]

http://forums.steroid.com/members-cy...nterested.html

[redz]

Man up seriously if you can't inject don't cycle.

[MuscleInk]

Your new and have no idea how to design a proper cycle or pct so when experienced users tell you that your doing it wrong you need to take note. Var will shut your natural test down and you do need test. Dropping BF is all related to your diet and cardio regime all you need to do is adjust this for further gains, its a constant changing environment which you have to adapt to keep achieving goals.

You should run a small dose of test but if you wont listen no probs, all the best

Agree with the above.

Also, milk thistle, tribulus, and flax oil are not the ideal supplements. Milk Thistle is inferior to NAC. Tribulus' efficacy is far over stated and waste of money. Krill oil has more omega fatty acid and greater bioavailability and has a broader impact on all lipid metabolism. Flax and fish oils only effect triglyceride levels and do not manage LDL and HDL as effectively as other supplements.

[Frankster83]

Test prop, masteron, tren ace. Best cut I've ever used. That's all 3 profiles too. Test, 19, and dht. 12 weeks on that 100mg eod of each have an ai for back up, but prob don't need one. And a good pct. Bam!

[kelkel]

It's simply not worth the potential negative impact it may have on your endogenous testosterone production. You're 40 and it just may not bounce back the way younger guys can. Speaking of that, you should have full BW before you do anything so you know all your levels. Hit the nutrition forum and I'll bet the vets there can help you.

[kelkel]

Test prop, masteron, tren ace. Best cut I've ever used. That's all 3 profiles too. Test, 19, and dht. 12 weeks on that 100mg eod of each have an ai for back up, but prob don't need one. And a good pct. Bam!

Oh that's lovely advice for someone who's never cycled before. WTF are you thinking?

[deltapapatango]

Var and hgh seems like an alternative but your still pinning subq at the least. HCG perhaps with the run of VAR? - once again sub q.

Redz may have it right though.

[Frankster83]

Great advice. Better than oral only with no test. Very simple cycle most ugl sell this pre mixed. Wish someone would have been around to give me advice like this before I ran my first cycle of all orals. Trt for the rest of my life because of what I done 9 yrs ago

[MuscleInk]

Great advice. Better than oral only with no test. Very simple cycle most ugl sell this pre mixed. Wish someone would have been around to give me advice like this before I ran my first cycle of all orals. Trt for the rest of my life because of what I done 9 yrs ago

Unfortunately, I disagree. It's a great cycle but NOT for a first cycle.

[Frankster83]

Lol I see what y'all are saying. I guess I'd say if I were just to run one compound, it would be test prop for cutting. Var, to me, overrated. Have to take waaaaay too much. If it's the pinning that you can't handle, get a nurse friend to do it for u. Or wife/gf. Or a fellow gym rat. I have to help one of my friends some when he is running tren

[Rellim]

There is a guy I met through my supplier and he has been training for years and is in great shape. He does anavar only, and has been doing cycles of anavar 2 times per year for the last few years. He says he hasn't had any issues and he really emphasized the only steroid he will touch is anavar because he worries about sides.

Here's the kicker though he only takes 30mgs per day. So at higher doses it may be a diff story.

I take 80mgs per day buy I take a conservative test dose with it (400mgs/week) I'm still a newbie when it comes to AAS but for my first cycle anavar with a lowish dose of test is all I wanted. Im on week 3 and the strength gains are more than I expected and when doing cardio it take much more work to get my heart rate into the cardio zone (160) and my muscles feel much harder all the time, like I'm lightly flexing them all the time but of course I'm not flexing them, it just feels that way.
And as an added bonus the anavar has curbed my appetite quite a lot, and in my case this has worked out perfect.

If your thinking of an anavar only I would consider a low test dose with it, even if it's just in the TRT range. There is a synergy when they are used together.

[Steroidman99]

I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.

You are correct. Adding testosterone would suppress your endogenous testosterone even deeper, which would complicate your recovery, and it would also exacerbate side effects. The boys on this forum parrot the sacred words of body-building wisdom like cockatoos. Especially humorous is the fact that they frighten you with "TRT for the rest of your life", but then they recommend you injections of testosterone (which is one of the surest ways, how to achieve this problem). Bro-science in its archetypal form. Logic is not needed.

[Steroidman99]

I need some thoughts on my first cycle. Please do not PIPE in w/you need test. I just need a few recommendations from people who run anavar only cycles if my setup looks good. More concerned about the PCT than anything else. Please advise.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Nolva 20mg ED Weeks 9-12

LIVER PROTECTION
Milk Thistle

LIPID PROTECTION
Flax Oil

40-50 mg for a novice can be effective, especially if you weigh 180 pounds. But you can use even more without worries. Anavar powder from China is ridiculously cheap (something like 6 USD/1 gram), so if you find the right source, you should have no problems with dosage.

But remember that Anavar is a DHT-derived steroid. It will produce primarily strength, not muscle. I myself am interested mainly in strength, so I reckoned with that I wouldn't turn into a muscular guy, when I started taking Anavar. But I must confess that I was somewhat disappointed, because despite solid strength gains, I didn't achieve much noticeable muscle gains even after 3-4 cycles. Therefore, you must be aware of this. But otherwise, it is a great drug. The anabolic effect is not as big as e.g. in Winstrol, but sides are quite negligible. At reasonable doses, you don't have to be afraid of bad liver tests (although liver enzymes will be significantly elevated) and testosterone suppression is usually mild (although this was not my case, unfortunately). By far the biggest problem is elevated LDL cholesterol. To counterbalance this, you should consume a lot of fruits (particularly tropical fruits) and protein. Oils won't help you much.

Considering that the anabolic effect will gradually decrease, I wouldn't recommend prolonging the cycle beyond 6 weeks. You would also have problems with recovery.

During PCT you can use something like anastrozole, which is a relatively mild anti-estrogen. In any case, you should do some bloodwork before and immediately after the cycle.

[Revnet]

Thanks for the information everyone. Has anyone had any experience w/sarms? Someone mentioned that might be a better way to go before I start using anavar.

[MuscleInk]

40-50 mg for a novice can be effective, especially if you weigh 180 pounds. But you can use even more without worries. Anavar powder from China is ridiculously cheap (something like 6 USD/1 gram), so if you find the right source, you should have no problems with dosage.

But remember that Anavar is a DHT-derived steroid. It will produce primarily strength, not muscle. I myself am interested mainly in strength, so I reckoned with that I wouldn't turn into a muscular guy, when I started taking Anavar. But I must confess that I was somewhat disappointed, because despite solid strength gains, I didn't achieve much noticeable muscle gains even after 3-4 cycles. Therefore, you must be aware of this. But otherwise, it is a great drug. The anabolic effect is not as big as e.g. in Winstrol, but sides are quite negligible. At reasonable doses, you don't have to be afraid of bad liver tests (although liver enzymes will be significantly elevated) and testosterone suppression is usually mild (although this was not my case, unfortunately). By far the biggest problem is elevated LDL cholesterol. To counterbalance this, you should consume a lot of fruits (particularly tropical fruits) and protein. Oils won't help you much.

Considering that the anabolic effect will gradually decrease, I wouldn't recommend prolonging the cycle beyond 6 weeks. You would also have problems with recovery.

During PCT you can use something like anastrozole, which is a relatively mild anti-estrogen. In any case, you should do some bloodwork before and immediately after the cycle.

So in the above post you imply testosterone suppression from anavar is mild as use of a single testosterone ester is likely not indicated. Then you contradict yourself and say it suppressed you quite a bit.

Moreover, anastrozole for PCT? No. It will delay recover of intratesticular testosterone production. Clomid and tamoxifen are far better options and the impact on lipid metabolism and blood pressure are negligible when compared to anastrozole.

[MuscleInk]

Thanks for the information everyone. Has anyone had any experience w/sarms? Someone mentioned that might be a better way to go before I start using anavar.

I would advise against it personally. I've used enobosarm in clinic with patients. Despite some interesting results, the drug did not achieve the co-primary end points of increased lean body mass and improved physical function. Typical side effects include headaches, insomnia, heat insensitivity, and gastroespophageal reflux.

Long term use data has not been studied yet to the long term effects of ostarine use are unknown.

[Revnet]

If i did test w/the anavar what would be the recommended dose? Also can someone tell me why test would not further shut me down? I am abit confused on why everyone keeps preaching test. I am learning so please don't bust my balls. I admit I don't know enough to start this cycle so I will gain knowledge before I decide to cycle anything. Your thoughts and input really help me towards that goal.

[MuscleInk]

If i did test w/the anavar what would be the recommended dose? Also can someone tell me why test would not further shut me down? I am abit confused on why everyone keeps preaching test. I am learning so please don't bust my balls. I admit I don't know enough to start this cycle so I will gain knowledge before I decide to cycle anything. Your thoughts and input really help me towards that goal.

Anavar will suppress your natural testosterone production in a dose dependent manner. I've run anavar twice and had my wife cycle twice. My only two anavar cycles were 60mg (first cycle) and 100mg (second cycle). Both times I ran the cycle with enthanate. The only added side effects compared to an enthanate alone cycle was an increase in BP and a slight elevation in my PSA (but not as great when I run masteron).

Do people run var-only cycles? Of course.....but people do a lot of things that arguably may be right or wrong. Personally I will only run anavar in the presence of a testosterone base (unusually cypionate or enthanate). If I'm going to suppress my natural testosterone, then I will replace it with a biosynthetic.

I check my labs routinely and as a physician I am very concerned about short and long term implications of all drugs used. Given the success and minimal side effects I've encountered with a combined protocol of anavar+test, I will continue to endorse the two when cycling. Others will have contrasting opinions or views. I'll continue to do what works for me physically and clinically.

[Revnet]

MuscleINK can you tell me what dose of test/e you were running per week?

[MuscleInk]

MuscleINK can you tell me what dose of test/e you were running per week?

500mg/wk.

[lovbyts]

If i did test w/the anavar what would be the recommended dose? Also can someone tell me why test would not further shut me down? I am abit confused on why everyone keeps preaching test. I am learning so please don't bust my balls. I admit I don't know enough to start this cycle so I will gain knowledge before I decide to cycle anything. Your thoughts and input really help me towards that goal.

Just in case you didnt quite get what is being said, yes anavar will shut down your natural test production so you need something (Test) to bring it back to normal or above while taking the anavar.

You dont need 500mg a week of test, especially for a 1st cycle. Most of us on trt use around 150mg a week to get us to mid normal test levels. Yes Test also stops your natural test production but there is no way around that if you are going to use any aas. Deca, tren, mast, they all shut down natural test so thats why we preach running test on any cycle.

For a first cycle 300 mg a week is a nice little bump to get some solid gains and see how your body reacts to the extra test. Some people are sensitive and break out with light to extreme acne. Some people get gyno easily, thus a good reason to run an AI during the cycle and of course a PCT starting 2 weeks after the cycle.

Blood work is also highly recommended before you start your cycle so you have a good base line to always compare to. Blood work about 6 weeks into your cycle is also a good idea and about 6 weeks after pct.

[Revnet]

Thank you really appreciate the feedback.

[lovbyts]

Remember, this is one of those things where more is not better. More just means there are more things you have to do to keep everything working properly without side effect. Remember, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon.

[theseus]

If you don't want frequent injection, why don't you try a single Nebido injection as a base and run your anavar on top. You do need PCT after as usual.

but if you just want to cut, you don't always need to use AAS. clen/t3/ECA/DNP -- pick one...or two

[Rellim]

For a first cycle 300 mg a week is a nice little bump to get some solid gains and see how your body reacts to the extra test. Some people are sensitive and break out with light to extreme acne. Some people get gyno easily, thus a good reason to run an AI during the cycle and of course a PCT starting 2 weeks after the cycle.

I'm doing pretty much exactly what you outlined here as my very first cycle. I'm 3 weeks in at 80mgs var per day and 400mgs test e per week. Also running aromasin on cycle, and have a PCT set up with Nolva.

But var with a conservative dose of test 150mgs-400mgs seems to be a good first choice for me and I'm someone who really wanted to avoid sides, hence keeping the test in the lower range. I didnt know how much gains to expect but they are good, I'm very pleased. I think if I didn't add the test I would still have gains but not as much and my zest for life and libido might suffer.

[redz]

^^ might want to add in clomid, Nolva only is not sufficient.

[Revnet]

Relim how old are you? Stats?

[kelkel]

^^ might want to add in clomid, Nolva only is not sufficient.

And HCG on cycle.....

[Rellim]

Im 36, male, 205lbs 5,10 and 15% BF
*BF was taken the first day of my cycle and since then I've lost what I'd consider to be a lot of fat. I'm sure to be 15% or less now. I had a DEXA scan done along with blood work. All my levels were healthy. I've learned that an easy way to get blood work done is to go to a private naturopaths office. It cost me $300 but I got a really detailed write up of everything I could want and now I know for next time to just check my test levels and estrogen because I had my thyroid checked and a lot of extra stuff that I think added to the cost.

I do have Hcg but Im not taking it till the last few weeks of my cycle, and only if I feel I need it.
I have access to clomid if I want to buy it, but I have Nolva ready and I'm taking a good AI (aromasin) on cycle so my estrogen levels are going to be managed as I go into PCT. I suppose I could get the clomid if needed.

I'm not sure if I mentioned but I also use natural products- Indole-3-carbinole, zinc and chrysin as an added estrogen management plan.

It's also worth noting there was point when I felt confident my estrogen levels were in check and I needed a break from my AI so I didn't take the aromasin for 4 days and sure enough on day 4 my nipples got sensitive to my clothes rubbing on them and my chest pressed against the bench or mat when I would train. (just a little sensitive but it was there) so I got back on aromasin and within 24hrs all nipple sensitivity was gone. The AI works that fast....Really I think my nipples felt normal in 12hrs, the aromasin really has impressed me.

I'm open to ideas and suggestions. Like should I use my aromasin with Nolva (and clomid maybe) during anytime of the PCT?

[Rellim]

^^ might want to add in clomid, Nolva only is not sufficient.

My whole plan was to limit the number of serms I would take by keeping with a conservative dose of test. There are threads on this site that say Nolva alone is sufficient if an AI was used on cycle.....But truth be told I will obviously listen to you guys and get the Clomid to go with the Nolva.

I'm grateful you said something.