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    different questions about cycling

    cycle:
    1 - 10 500mg test e/week @ 2 250mg injections every 3.5 days
    2 - 12 250iu hcg on days before test injections
    1 - 12 arimidex 0.5mg eod
    13 - 17 clomid 100/75/50/50
    13 - 17 nolva 20/20/20/20

    questions:
    drawing from the vial:
    does anybody inject air into the vial before drawing? doesn't this defeat the purpose of the seal? i understand why it's done, but it seems not everybody does it.

    before injecting:
    after drawing from the vial and switching pins ,are you supposed to push the plunger until a drop comes out so there's no air in the syringe? i know you need to inject massive amounts of air to die but i've watched a few youtube videos and some people do whilst other don't care and inject even with air bubbles.

    gyno flaring up and nolvadex :
    one solution if you start feeling sore nipples, etc would be to up the adex dose. let's say that doesn't work much so you start using nolva. are you supposed to run nolva from that point until pct? or would it be temporary or what?

    nolvadex vs raloxifene:
    i have both and plan on using nolva for pct. i've read raloxifene is better at targeting gyno since it blocks the receptors in breast tissue. anybody ever used raloxifene during cycle if gyno flares up?

    mixing hcg and b12:
    i have a 10ml b12 vial, a 5000iu hcg ampule and a 1ml solution ampule. would mixing the hcg with the solution and then injecting it into the b12 vial work? i can't get my hands on bacteriostatic water or empty vials. i know there are online sources i can get this from, but i live outside the states.

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    To answer your questions, in the order posted:

    1. No.
    2. Doesn't matter. (read this)
    3. Blood work. Sore nipples is not gynecomastia . (read this)
    4. Raloxifene is the superior SERM. (read this)
    5. No. Mix it just like you would BAC water. (read this)
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    To answer your questions, in the order posted:

    1. No.
    2. Doesn't matter.
    3. Blood work. Sore nipples is not gynecomastia .
    4. Raloxifene is the superior SERM.
    5. No. Mix it just like you would BAC water.
    thanks austinite.

    regarding question #5 here's the problem i'm dealing with. the b12 comes in a vial, whereas the 1ml solution and hcg both come in an ampule. if the hcg was in a vial, i'd just do as your thread says and inject 3cc's of b12 at a time into the vial, but it's in an ampule... if i ever wanted to pour the hcg in it's powder form into the b12 vial i'd have to break the seal. that's why i came up with the idea of mixing it with the solution first so i'd be able to draw it with a syringe and then inject it into the b12 vial. i thought this wouldn't be much of a problem since the b12 is water soluble so it would probably mix evenly.

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    Mix and transfer to a fresh vial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Mix and transfer to a fresh vial.
    hehe like i said in the OP, i can't get my hands on empty vials or bac water..
    thanks anyway, such a simple process yet it's holding me back lol.

    btw any input on running raloxifene instead of nolvadex during PCT?
    i couldn't find much info online... i have both though and i'm planning on running tamox for pct so it's really just out of curiosity.

    also what's your opinion on running clomid alone for pct? i've read people claiming nolva is unnecessary.
    again, i will do both, just want to know your opinion.

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    Empty vials? ar-r .com

    There's a way to run raloxifene instead of nolvadex , but I'm not comfortable recommending it just yet. Still working on that one.

    So for now, the answer is No.

    My opinion of running clomid as the sole PCT compound is not good. (read this)
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Empty vials? ar-r.com
    yeah ar-r ships within the states. i ldon't live anywhere near the states, it would take maybe 2 weeks to get it shipped. it pisses me off not being able to get empty vials in my country. it's just a damn sterile glass jar. and it also pisses me off not being able to get bac water. pharmacists don't even know what i'm talking about when i ask them and always give me a weird look.

    awesome read about nolva/clomid. thanks.

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    It's an empty vial, ElGringo. It's easier to find than bottled water.

    Try amazon. Just research, google, etc...
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    i'm dealing with a 3rd world country, austinite. i bought nolva, ralox, clomid and arimidex from a pharmacy no prescription and no questions asked (not in asia lol). i could even get the test from a pharmacy but it's only sold in ampules and way too expensive in comparison to my dealers price. i'm not the kind of guy that comes asking for solutions without trying to find a solution myself before. i've made at least 10 phone calls to pharmacies and distributors in my search for an empty vial. it seems like there's really no other solution to this other than ordering online and waiting 2 weeks for it to ship.. which is something i wanted to avoid. hence the hcg and b12 question.

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    I see. I have no answer for you. Sorry. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    I see. I have no answer for you. Sorry. Good luck.
    i appreciate your input very much, austinite. thanks.

    i understand you said no to what i stated in the OP: "i have a 10ml b12 vial, a 5000iu hcg ampule and a 1ml solution ampule. would mixing the hcg with the solution and then injecting it into the b12 vial work?" because it's not the way you would recommend to do it or maybe don't know of anybody who has done it this way, but based on your knowledge, would there be something wrong with this? is there a scientific reason why this would never be recommended?

    my reasoning is that b12 is water soluble so they should mix alright.

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    The "Solution" you have is not intended for extended storage periods. It's "Mix and inject". So do that with B12. Mix and inject each time. That's why amps suck.
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    Fvck b12 - damn that shit stings

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Fvck b12 - damn that shit stings
    Replace vagina with Penis and Gonads.

    Seriously though, it does? Are you using hydroxy? If so, switch to Cyano or Methyl.
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    I've only used cyano, but I've never heard of injection pain with B12. Maybe you got BA instead Sam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    The "Solution" you have is not intended for extended storage periods. It's "Mix and inject". So do that with B12. Mix and inject each time. That's why amps suck.
    it's not possible to sterilize an empty vial without removing the rubber stopper right?
    i could ask a friend who just finished his cycle for one of his

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    before injecting:
    after drawing from the vial and switching pins ,are you supposed to push the plunger until a drop comes out so there's no air in the syringe? i know you need to inject massive amounts of air to die but i've watched a few youtube videos and some people do whilst other don't care and inject even with air bubbles.

    The proper way for IM injection to keep leakage from muscle into SubQ is to:

    Fill Syringe.
    Have an air bubble so a small amount of air is injected into the muscle at the end of the shot.

    The air bubble seals the muscle. Proper injection technique for IM going on hundreds of years.

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    thanks chicagotarsier.

    regarding the hcg problem i think i've found the solution. i just have to get 2 b12 vials, discard the contents of one, draw 1 or 2cc's b12 from the other vial and mix it with the hcg in the ampule. then i'd just have to draw it from the ampule into the now empty vial. then i just keep adding 3cc's at a time until i have 10ml.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Replace vagina with Penis and Gonads.

    Seriously though, it does? Are you using hydroxy? If so, switch to Cyano or Methyl.

    This guy

    I still have a bunch of it left, it's pharma shit that comes in 2cc ampules. I just said fvck & not use it any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    This guy

    I still have a bunch of it left, it's pharma shit that comes in 2cc ampules. I just said fvck & not use it any more
    PM'ing you my address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post

    PM'ing you my address.
    You should PM me your address. I'm in Dallas tonight. I like my steaks medium rare. What time should I drive over for dinner to your place????

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    PM'ing you my address.
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    You should PM me your address. I'm in Dallas tonight. I like my steaks medium rare. What time should I drive over for dinner to your place????
    yeah you phaggots can kiss now
    stop derailing my thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    This guy

    I still have a bunch of it left, it's pharma shit that comes in 2cc ampules. I just said fvck & not use it any more
    I have the same stuff Sampson and my first attempt stung like a SOB, I think it was location.
    I grew a pair and tried again, it was a breeze and has been since. Where did you try to pin it?


    edited: Sorry OP, Sampson you can PM me your reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElGringo View Post
    yeah you *** can kiss now
    stop derailing my thread
    Wow. Edit your post, or you'll be promoted to lurker. I spent plenty of time helping you, kiddo. You should avoid such comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElGringo View Post
    yeah you phaggots can kiss now
    stop derailing my thread
    Wow, ease up. Humor is a large part of the forums. Makes it fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElGringo View Post

    yeah you phaggots can kiss now
    stop derailing my thread
    And you can just as easily be removed like an annoying cyst you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Wow. Edit your post, or you'll be promoted to lurker. I spent plenty of time helping you, kiddo. You should avoid such comments.
    i said i appreciate your help many times.

    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Wow, ease up. Humor is a large part of the forums. Makes it fun.
    i'm not mad. you guys are the ones taking my post as an insult. i used the word "phaggots" as a synonym to "guys" in a humorous way.

    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    And you can just as easily be removed like an annoying cyst you are.
    what's holding you back? it's funny that such an innocent post rules out all the other 40 serious posts i've made

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElGringo View Post
    phaggots
    Is this the correct spelling? I've actually never typed it before........

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    You should PM me your address. I'm in Dallas tonight. I like my steaks medium rare. What time should I drive over for dinner to your place????
    Just a little pink for me........

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Oh jeez. This kid is 22 years old. lol. no wonder.

    Seriously, visit the nutrition section and forget about steroids for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElGringo View Post

    i said i appreciate your help many times.

    i'm not mad. you guys are the ones taking my post as an insult. i used the word "phaggots" as a synonym to "guys" in a humorous way.

    what's holding you back? it's funny that such an innocent post rules out all the other 40 serious posts i've made
    OK sure, hang your pride on those 40 posts. You'll earn more respect without the inflammatory remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Oh jeez. This kid is 22 years old. lol. no wonder.

    Seriously, visit the nutrition section and forget about steroids for a while.
    Explains his limited vocabulary then.

    What time is dinner damn it? BG and I are HUNGRY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Oh jeez. This kid is 22 years old. lol. no wonder.

    Seriously, visit the nutrition section and forget about steroids for a while.
    ....

    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Explains his limited vocabulary then.

    What time is dinner damn it? BG and I are HUNGRY!!!!
    limited vocabulary lol. for my 3rd language i think my vocabulary is alright.

    so much butthurt. somebody please close this thread
    and thanks to those who helped

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