My first cycle, need tiny bit of advice.

[iliftonroids]

Hey all. Yes this is my first post, but have been a long time unregistered lurker of the forums, ha!
Anywho. Last Monday I started running my first aas cycle. Currently running Trenbolone Acetate and Testosterone propionate. I know everyone will say "don't run tren first cycle rah rah" and I agree. But after months of research I was more than confident to start and jump straight into the deep end.
Currently running the cycle 10 weeks long, and 12 weeks test prop. Doing ED jabs of 75g tren a and 50mh test prop same pin. (525mg tren a-350 test prop a week). I have caber on hand for any prolactin issues that may arise. Planning on running hcg e3d or e4ds after 2nd week at 250ius per shot, and on final 2 weeks 2500iu ea week to kick start recovery. Running clomid 100/50/25/25 ea week. May not use nolva. Have forma stanzol as a AI. Now the question, I'm on my 10th jab today . When will I start noticing sides, increased aggresion. Muscle gain or leanness. I know average is 2 weeks for it to kick start. But what should I expect on tren as weeks progress. I already have a solid idea. But just curious from experienced users.

Stats.
19 (don't judge I know I'm stupid for this)
87.5kg (weighed in morning on empty stomach)
13-14% BF
5x5 maxs if relevant.
Squat 140x5
Bench 110x5
Deadlift 160x5.
3 years of on and off stupidly inconsistent training. But now diets in check, as is training. Following 50%protein35%carbs15%fats.
Looking forward to replies!

[Mp859]

I suggest you get off the hormones and run a proper pct.

[iliftonroids]

Elaborate on a "proper pct" please Ronnie Coleman. Secondly, I've been curios about aas for a while. Therefore, if my stupidity and curiosity got the better of me. Would appreciate if you were helpful instead of blunt. I don't plan on stopping.

[thomasfreddy]

Mate that's a lot of tren ace pw
For a first timer
Jesssssssus

[iliftonroids]

Haha, I agree with you there man. I was gonna start at 50ed. My source is reliable. But went 75 instead and if can't handle sides will adjust accordingly. I'll keep a log going if anyone's interested I suppose.

[iliftonroids]

Oh and by source is reliable I meant like. It is tren. But incase underdosed

[Jb818]

Don't even trip out about your age man. I started at 18 and im fine now and im 24.

[iliftonroids]

Don't even trip out about your age man. I started at 18 and im fine now and im 24.

That's what I like hearing thanks dude! Good to know it worked out for you! How does my cycle look?

[Back In Black]

I hope you are trolling. If not, I really hope your gear is 100% fake.

You say you have done lots of research but you certainly haven't done it on this site.

Pct 3 days after your last pin -
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Don't pin anymore and actually do lots and lots of reading. And pray you haven't caused yourself permanent damage.

Best of luck.

[Back In Black]

Don't even trip out about your age man. I started at 18 and im fine now and im 24.

Getting lots of bloodwork done to confirm that? And you know you'll be fine in years to come with your crystal ball?

[iliftonroids]

I hope you are trolling. If not, I really hope your gear is 100% fake.

You say you have done lots of research but you certainly haven't done it on this site.

Pct 3 days after your last pin -
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Don't pin anymore and actually do lots and lots of reading. And pray you haven't caused yourself permanent damage.

Best of luck.

I have a question then. Why am I getting accused of "trolling" when I've got everything I need to cycle. Got all my blood work done before I started. I will do that for a pct, but what is so wrong with what I'm doing? I've seen worst post but even they haven't gotten bitten at that much.

[iliftonroids]

I hope you are trolling. If not, I really hope your gear is 100% fake.

You say you have done lots of research but you certainly haven't done it on this site.

Pct 3 days after your last pin -
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Don't pin anymore and actually do lots and lots of reading. And pray you haven't caused yourself permanent damage.

Best of luck.

I have a question then. Why am I getting accused of "trolling" when I've got everything I need to cycle. Got all my blood work done before I started. I will do that for a pct, but what is so wrong with what I'm doing? I've seen worst post but even they haven't gotten bitten at that much. What should I change about this cycle whilst it's still early days

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[thisAngelBites]

I have a question then. Why am I getting accused of "trolling" when I've got everything I need to cycle. Got all my blood work done before I started. I will do that for a pct, but what is so wrong with what I'm doing? I've seen worst post but even they haven't gotten bitten at that much.

He HOPES you're trolling because he thinks you're making a big mistake to consider this at your age. I HOPE your stupidity (as you said) doesn't get the best of you, because a lifetime of difficult medical treatment cannot possibly be worth whatever you think you would get from this cycle. That's why

[Baxter35]

Elaborate on a "proper pct" please Ronnie Coleman. Secondly, I've been curios about aas for a while. Therefore, if my stupidity and curiosity got the better of me. Would appreciate if you were helpful instead of blunt. I don't plan on stopping.

Everyone is actually trying to be helpful, its just not what you want to hear.

[Baxter35]

Elaborate on a "proper pct" please Ronnie Coleman. Secondly, I've been curios about aas for a while. Therefore, if my stupidity and curiosity got the better of me. Would appreciate if you were helpful instead of blunt. I don't plan on stopping.

Everyone is actually trying to be helpful, its just not what you want to hear.

[iliftonroids]

He HOPES you're trolling because he thinks you're making a big mistake to consider this at your age. I HOPE your stupidity (as you said) doesn't get the best of you, because a lifetime of difficult medical treatment cannot possibly be worth whatever you think you would get from this cycle. That's why

Before I start I appreciate what you said Marcus. I did understand all you've said because I too knew that information. Personally. I rather be a 19 year old running AAS than going clubbing popping pills and doing other shit that's just as bad for your body.
Now angel. I appreciate your input. I really do. I appreciate the fact that you guys(and girl) post back to show your concern or as for some badger me. My mind is made and I plan on continuing. My bloods just came back. Everything is as it should be+better. Including test. Average test runs from 8.02-30.2 peak. I'm sitting on 44 atm. Besides the point. If anyone still has any tips they would like to share to make this a smoother ride if appreciate that. Also, I found a steroid education program in my city. I will be calling them and booking a consultation with them to see what is should do etc. not only that but I've come to the conclusion. If they say stop this cycle immediately or something along those lines. I'll run a proper pct immediately and drop the cycle. Will keep you posted. I know it's nothing to fck around with. Have a little faith please.

[Back In Black]

When were your blood tests done as a matter of curiosity?

[iliftonroids]

Well. They were meant to be done 1 week before I started. But my booking got rescheduled so was done two days into it. I'm currently going through paperwork to find my test I took 2 months ago for a different issue. But would have all information on that. Why do you ask? Sorry about the way I came across by the way.

[thomasfreddy]

What is trolling ????

[iliftonroids]

What is trolling ????

Well anywho. Whether you guys like it or not. After I've completed my cycle I'll take a selfie after pct with blood results in one hand and my raging cock in the other to show that it was done properly. Stay tuned!

[marcus300]

Well anywho. Whether you guys like it or not. After I've completed my cycle I'll take a selfie after pct with blood results in one hand and my raging cock in the other to show that it was done properly. Stay tuned!

You come to a site and ask for advice because you haven't a clue what your doing or saying and you completely disregard everyone's comments. Your young and have no idea what your doing and you will hurt yourself so carry on and you will learn one day very soon. No need to post about it we are not interested one bit in your stupidity

[Back In Black]

Well. They were meant to be done 1 week before I started. But my booking got rescheduled so was done two days into it. I'm currently going through paperwork to find my test I took 2 months ago for a different issue. But would have all information on that. Why do you ask? Sorry about the way I came across by the way.

Your results came back high because you had already injected. They are invalid as to your argument about having naturally high test levels.

Maybe somebody will actually give you the advice you actually want to hear but I'm not prepared to advise you on your ill conceived cycle other than to re-suggest you stop and run pct. Here is some more reading for you and I wish you the best of luck, you may well need it.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

[iliftonroids]

You come to a site and ask for advice because you haven't a clue what your doing or saying and you completely disregard everyone's comments. Your young and have no idea what your doing and you will hurt yourself so carry on and you will learn one day very soon. No need to post about it we are not interested one bit in your stupidity

Yes. Exactly that. Came for advice. Not badgering. I asked a simple question when will I start seeing the positives to tren. Didn't say " oh hey guys running tren gonna Fuvk myself up please all badger me" yet none of you managed to answer that. Your comment was completely off topic and irrelevant. Also, being a board. "Noobs" come to juice heads like you for advice. So you could, let's say. Guide us with your knowledge? Maybe give us a hand you know? But instead you act like a pompous prick

[iliftonroids]

Your results came back high because you had already injected. They are invalid as to your argument about having naturally high test levels.

Maybe somebody will actually give you the advice you actually want to hear but I'm not prepared to advise you on your ill conceived cycle other than to re-suggest you stop and run pct. Here is some more reading for you and I wish you the best of luck, you may well need it.

Ill conceived haha! Funny how most shot I've read copied or scraped from other threads on the forums. It's okay, thanks but no thanks. Got myself the "steroid education program" thing soon. I'll just ask them and hope it's "naht 2 layt b4 permanent dmag" hopefully they can shed some light on the situation instead of a few wannabe bodybuilders.

[marcus300]

Yes. Exactly that. Came for advice. Not badgering. I asked a simple question when will I start seeing the positives to tren. Didn't say " oh hey guys running tren gonna Fuvk myself up please all badger me" yet none of you managed to answer that. Your comment was completely off topic and irrelevant. Also, being a board. "Noobs" come to juice heads like you for advice. So you could, let's say. Guide us with your knowledge? Maybe give us a hand you know? But instead you act like a pompous prick

We give advice to that persons experience and stats, you have stats like a 12yr old girl and the experience of a school boy. Only because you didn't get the answer you wanted you throw your dummy out of your pram, but the advice was correct.

If you carry on flaming you will be banned

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