please help, first cycle and not sure if what im doing is wrong

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 09:07 AM

ivbeen wanting to cycle for over a year now but i just could not find the information to study how to properly cycle(never knew a site like this existed). but a close friend of mine who is pretty jacked and seems to know whathe is doing got me started about two months ago on test p cycle. it was .5 every other day of test then after a month i started taking an ai .5 every other day along with my test. two weeks ago he told me to take 2 pills of tbol in the morning and 2 at night and stop taking any more test. after a week i noticed i could not get hard at all and no sex drive. so he made me stop taking the ai and only take the tbol pills. i could get a boner now and have some sex drive but still not like before my cycle. iv made great gains tho (170-185 so far, deadlift went from 450 to 550, bench from 250 to 315) is their anything wrong with what iv done

**Sfla80** · 01-09-2015, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by longchi

ivbeen wanting to cycle for over a year now but i just could not find the information to study how to properly cycle(never knew a site like this existed). but a close friend of mine who is pretty jacked and seems to know whathe is doing got me started about two months ago on test p cycle. it was .5 every other day of test then after a month i started taking an ai .5 every other day along with my test. two weeks ago he told me to take 2 pills of tbol in the morning and 2 at night and stop taking any more test. after a week i noticed i could not get hard at all and no sex drive. so he made me stop taking the ai and only take the tbol pills. i could get a boner now and have some sex drive but still not like before my cycle. iv made great gains tho (170-185 so far, deadlift went from 450 to 550, bench from 250 to 315) is their anything wrong with what iv done

Gonna need more info.

Stats first off...age weight bf..extra

Then what type of Ai??
How many mgs tbol?
What dose test p?

And you r taking tbol without any test now?

Do you have any thing for pct?

Or hcg ?

**Juced_porkchop** · 01-09-2015, 09:38 AM

just because someone is jacked doesnt mean they know what they are doing or being safe about it.
never run aas without test base.
do you have a PCT?
how old are you?

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 09:46 AM

edit

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 09:48 AM

im 22, yes i have pct

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sfla80

Gonna need more info.

Stats first off...age weight bf..extra

Then what type of Ai??
How many mgs tbol?
What dose test p?

And you r taking tbol without any test now?

Do you have any thing for pct?

Or hcg?

thank you very much for replying, im sorry im not sure what type of ai.. i msged my friend im waiting for his responce. four pills at 20mgs each so80. he told me there is no need to take test now since im takkng tbol and no need to take ai. yes he has pct

**Buster Brown** · 01-09-2015, 10:05 AM

No one should cycle without tes as a base. An oral only cycle will be a dismal failure.

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

No one should cycle without tes as a base. An oral only cycle will be a dismal failure.

should I just start the PCT? He has no more test and honestly after receiving all of your' guys insights I'm not confident in my friend anymore

**Buster Brown** · 01-09-2015, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by longchi

should I just start the PCT? He has no more test and honestly after receiving all of your' guys insights I'm not confident in my friend anymore

Yes, start pct. Do your research so next time around you have all of your ducks in a row.

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Yes, start pct. Do your research so next time around you have all of your ducks in a row.

I would like to say thank you so much for taking the time to help me. I talked to my friend and he told me the PCT he has is clomidex and nolvadex . Is there anything else that I should be taking for the pct? Can I start right away?

edit: Yes, I will most defiantly do my research before i consider my next cycle

**Sfla80** · 01-09-2015, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by longchi

I would like to say thank you so much for taking the time to help me. I talked to my friend and he told me the PCT he has is clomidex and nolvadex . Is there anything else that I should be taking for the pct? Can I start right away?

edit: Yes, I will most defiantly do my research before i consider my next cycle

At least he has clomid and nolva for you....yes start right away!!

Take everyday.

Clomid 75mg everyday for one week....then 50mg everyday for 3 weeks

Nolva 40 mg everyday for one week...then 20 mg everyday for 3 weeks.

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sfla80

At least he has clomid and nolva for you....yes start right away!!

Take everyday.

Clomid 75mg everyday for one week....then 50mg everyday for 3 weeks

Nolva 40 mg everyday for one week...then 20 mg everyday for 3 weeks.

thank you so mcuh,

is there anything else besides clomid and nolva that I will need?

edit: Do i still take the AI during the PCT?

**thephoenix25** · 01-09-2015, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by longchi

thank you so mcuh,

is there anything else besides clomid and nolva that I will need?

edit: Do i still take the AI during the PCT?

No, only use clomid and nolva. Stop the ai.

**longchi** · 01-09-2015, 11:02 AM

Alright so I'm about to do this for my PCT

Clomid 75mg everyday for one week....then 50mg everyday for 3 weeks

Nolva 40 mg everyday for one week...then 20 mg everyday for 3 weeks.

my friend is saying to just do 50mg of clomid everyday for month and 20mg of nolva everyday for a month,

may I have anyone else's insight, although I lost most of my confidence in my friend it was only one poster who suggested the former PCT cycle, more input would really put my mind at ease.. also my last question is how much of a calorie surplus should I be at during PCT?

**chris_columbia** · 01-09-2015, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by longchi

Alright so I'm about to do this for my PCT

Clomid 75mg everyday for one week....then 50mg everyday for 3 weeks

Nolva 40 mg everyday for one week...then 20 mg everyday for 3 weeks.

my friend is saying to just do 50mg of clomid everyday for month and 20mg of nolva everyday for a month,

may I have anyone else's insight, although I lost most of my confidence in my friend it was only one poster who suggested the former PCT cycle, more input would really put my mind at ease.. also my last question is how much of a calorie surplus should I be at during PCT?

Stick with what we told you, if your friend told you to run something that shuts down your natral test production, and not take any test to replace it, he has no clue as to what he's doing (he's doing it the old school way, which has been updated over and over to make it safer and safer) definitely don't listen to your friend on the pct , listen to us, 75mg clomid first week, 50 for 3 weeks, than nolvadex at 40mg for two weeks and 20 for two weeks, you want to hit it hard at first to help get your natty test back, especially now since he took you off of test p. Eat as If you were still on durine and at least a month after pct, you dont want to cut right after a cycle and lose the gains you got.

**Motardpdx** · 01-09-2015, 06:38 PM

Great resource here and super helpful for putting your ducks in a row. Keep reading on this forum and learn the safest methods available. You only got one body so do it right the first time. cheers....

**thephoenix25** · 01-09-2015, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by longchi

may I have anyone else's insight, although I lost most of my confidence in my friend it was only one poster who suggested the former PCT cycle, more input would really put my mind at ease.. also my last question is how much of a calorie surplus should I be at during PCT?

Ok, so here is my take on what has happened to you :

Your cycle started off with just testosterone but without an ai. This would have resulted in increasingly elevated estrogen (not good)
After 1 month you started taking a relatively high dose of ai which would of brought your estrogen down, perhaps even a bit too low.
After another month you discontinued testosterone and took tbol, your body need test to function properly and because you used test prop it would have left your system very quickly (3-7) days, at this point your sex drive will plummet and have erection problems among other less visible issues.
Without natural testosterone production or exogenous testosterone (test you injected) your body will be in a very catabolic state which mean your gains will melt away when you discontinue tbol.

You should start your PCT immediately as has been stated above, your friend may not be malicious in his intent but has given you very bad cycle advice. Please take the time to learn and understand what these compounds do to you and how to use them correctly.

This forum is a great place to learn, read the stickys and thoroughly understand them, all the guys here are very helpful when you have questions, but know that most of the questions you have will have been asked before so use the search function too.

Here are some to get you started :

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

These are particularly relevant to your situation:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...all-costs.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

Keep in a calorie surplus by at least +500 for the duration of the PCT and probably for a few weeks after and make sure you continue to train

http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-c...ct-thread.html

**Buster Brown** · 01-09-2015, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by longchi

Alright so I'm about to do this for my PCT

Clomid 75mg everyday for one week....then 50mg everyday for 3 weeks

Nolva 40 mg everyday for one week...then 20 mg everyday for 3 weeks.

my friend is saying to just do 50mg of clomid everyday for month and 20mg of nolva everyday for a month,

may I have anyone else's insight, although I lost most of my confidence in my friend it was only one poster who suggested the former PCT cycle, more input would really put my mind at ease.. also my last question is how much of a calorie surplus should I be at during PCT?

Do NOT listen to your "friend "...those serms need to be frontloaded.