does TEST need to be used in all cycles?

**RyanGreg** · 07-18-2015, 02:55 AM

i have some mates at the gym running cycles without test base... he blasts and cruises he is currently on tren and winstrol only no test on his cruise he either uses masteron or EQ he said he has not used test in about 1 year.

apparently a lot of old school bodybuilders never used test in their cycles either.... so does test really need to be used in all cycles?

**Euroholic** · 07-18-2015, 03:16 AM

Yes.

Steroids suppress testosterone production in your body. So to keep functioning normally you replace it with synthetic testosterone at a trt dose or high dose whatever your cycle is.

**RyanGreg** · 07-18-2015, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Yes.

Steroids suppress testosterone production in your body. So to keep functioning normally you replace it with synthetic testosterone at a trt dose or high dose whatever your cycle is.

but i thought all steroids are a form of testosterone anyway??? lee priest another guy who has said he does not like to use test in his cycles....

**bigdil511** · 07-18-2015, 05:51 AM

Cycles without Testosterone: Why you should avoid them at all costs

**davidtheman100** · 07-18-2015, 06:44 AM

Only time i've seen test taken out is for a limited amount of time to maintain a certain, drier, temporary look

**Deen54** · 07-18-2015, 08:41 AM

All steroids are testosterone derivatives.

**Mr.BB** · 07-18-2015, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Deen54

All steroids are testosterone derivatives.

Derivatives are not the same thing as real testosterone .

Do you know your brain needs testosterone to function properly?

**NACH3** · 07-18-2015, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Derivatives are not the same thing as real testosterone .

Do you know your brain needs testosterone to function properly?

^^^^ this!

And as mentioned yes you must replace your testosterone levels as yours will be completely shut down - test must be the base compound of any and all cycles!

That link that Bigdil posted will answer your questions - GL

**Back In Black** · 07-18-2015, 11:33 AM

Ryan how close to being a pro are you nowadays? Current stats?

**thatgymdude** · 07-18-2015, 01:15 PM

Yes, test has to be used in all cycles.

**Steroidman99** · 07-18-2015, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by RyanGreg

i have some mates at the gym running cycles without test base... he blasts and cruises he is currently on tren and winstrol only no test on his cruise he either uses masteron or EQ he said he has not used test in about 1 year.

apparently a lot of old school bodybuilders never used test in their cycles either.... so does test really need to be used in all cycles?

Do you know that steroids were invented in order to replace testosterone with all its undesirable side effects? What is the point of taking testosterone in all cycles then?

**Steroidman99** · 07-18-2015, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

^^^^ this!

And as mentioned yes you must replace your testosterone levels as yours will be completely shut down...

And your testosterone will be shut down even deeper, which will complicate recovery.

**RyanGreg** · 07-18-2015, 04:35 PM

can you explain why?

**RyanGreg** · 07-18-2015, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Steroidman99

Do you know that steroids were invented in order to replace testosterone with all its undesirable side effects? What is the point of taking testosterone in all cycles then?

tthis is why I am asking the question...

**ghettoboyd** · 07-18-2015, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Steroidman99

And your testosterone will be shut down even deeper, which will complicate recovery.

shut down is shut down imho so why wouldn't you use test to keep you from suffering the sides of low to no test during your cycle? what kind of sense dose that make? the whole idea of using it is to continue normal sexual function and overall felling of well being so you can have a successful cycle rather than struggling to get through it and possibly suffering because you feel like shit...that my 2 cents...

**MrFreshmaker** · 07-18-2015, 05:25 PM

All steroids will not raise testosterone in your blood,maybe slightly.So for wellbeing you need to have as a base testosterone.

**RyanGreg** · 07-18-2015, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by MrFreshmaker

All steroids will not raise testosterone in your blood,maybe slightly.So for wellbeing you need to have as a base testosterone.

i understand that i just thought all steroids were a form of steroids so it could replace the test.... i know dave plaumbo has his clients on no test cycles from what i have heard....

**kelkel** · 07-18-2015, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by RyanGreg

i understand that i just thought all steroids were a form of steroids so it could replace the test.... i know dave plaumbo has his clients on no test cycles from what i have heard....

It's not uncommon for contest cycles to include no testosterone . Surprisingly it's becoming more popular and unfortunately it's another reason why competitive BB'ing is a less than healthy endeavor. I've seen some vid's of Dave recently. OMG he looks like he weighs 150 lbs.

**RyanGreg** · 07-19-2015, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It's not uncommon for contest cycles to include no testosterone. Surprisingly it's becoming more popular and unfortunately it's another reason why competitive BB'ing is a less than healthy endeavor. I've seen some vid's of Dave recently. OMG he looks like he weighs 150 lbs.

thanx for your reply.... yea same here he is not looking the best