Advice on Proposed Next Cycle - Had Great Last Cycle

**DGenRit** · 02-02-2016, 04:35 PM

Hello,

I have tried to lay this out in a neat and orderly fashion so its easy to read and so that I make it as easy as possible for you guys - I know your time is valuable. I'm still pretty new here so please bare with me.

AGE: 47 (Turning 48 by the time I start cycle in 2 months)
Current Weight: 215
BF: (peaked at 5.5% last cycle - sitting at about 7% right now)
Goal of Cycle: Add 12-15 pounds of Muscle and achieve 4-5% BF (would like to get have my skin tighten a bit - side of lats, back)

Background: Did 3-4 cycles in my 20s, did 2 in my 30s and began TRT at 38 at low levels (125mg per week). Traditionally struggled with bodyfat. Always worked out but never achieved great results until I got educated on fitness and nutrition. I'm in a different zone and totally transformed my body and mind in early 2015. You can see results of my transformation here>>> Cycle Comments - New Here - I am now looking to take it to the next level in terms of lean-ness (as if that was a real word). I am not interested in getting massive or competing or impressing anyone. I am simply doing this to see what I can accomplish for myself.

Last Cycle - Completed 1/13/16

Week 1-8 - 50mg Winny Troches ED; 125mg Test (100 ENAN 25 PROP) EOD ; 4IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 9-13 - 100mg Tren EOD; 125mg Test EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 14-16 - 100mg Mas EOD; 100 mg Test Cyp/EN/Prop EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 17 - 50mg Mas EOD; 100mg Test Cyp/EN/Prop EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
PCT/Coast (not really PCT since I am on TRT) - 5IU HGH ED, drop test to 125mg 1x week, 1/2 arimidex ED, 1/2 NOV ED for 30 days. 2 weeks after cycle start HCG 250iu 3x week

Proposed Next Cycle - Starting 4/4 or 4/11 Depending on BW.

Week 1-6 - 125mg Tren EOD; 125mg Sustanon 250 EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 7-8 125mg Tren EOD; 125mg Mas EOD; 125mg Sustanon 250 EOD; 50mg Winny Troches ED; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 9-12 -125mg Mas EOD; 125mg Sustanon 250 EOD; 50mg Winny Troches ED; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
Week 13 - 75mg Mas EOD; 75mg Sustanon 250 EOD; 25mg Winny Troches ED; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED
PCT/Coast (not really PCT since I am on TRT) - 5IU HGH ED; Test Cyp 125mg 1x week, 1/2 arimidex ED, 1/2 NOV ED for 30 days.

*HCG will be run at 250iu 3x week throughout. BW will be run before, during and after.

Questions for the Fine Team of Gurus Here

1. So what do you guys think?
2. What tweaks would you make to this cycle and why?
3. Should I be stacking TREN with MAS and WINNY for more than just the 2 weeks? My last cycle used all of these products but I always ran TREN, MAS, WINNY alone with TEST. I never stacked those 3. I got great results doing it that way. Should I keep it that way or is there value to changing it up the way I did above?

That's all folks. Again - I have tried to lay this out as neatly and orderly as possible to make it easier to read/answer. I am truly appreciative of any feedback or guidance you may be able to provide.

**DGenRit** · 02-02-2016, 07:06 PM

I know it's a long post - I just wanted to provide through background data. I'm really just seeking answers to these questions:

1. So what do you guys think of the cycle?

2. What tweaks would you make to this cycle and why?

3. Should I be stacking TREN with MAS and WINNY for more than just the 2 weeks? My last cycle used all of these products but I always ran TREN, MAS, WINNY alone with TEST. I never stacked those 3. I got great results doing it that way. Should I keep it that way or is there value to changing it up the way I did above?

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 05:25 AM

Is anyone willing to help? Did I post this incorrectly and, therefore, I'm not getting any replies?

**Mr.BB** · 02-03-2016, 05:35 AM

Just to get things going here.

Do you really need 0,5mg adex ED, even a month after finishing the blast?

Is the HG pharma? And for how long do you run it?

Kinda complicated scheme you presented, from what I see only 2 weeks of mast??

And why 4 weeks of higher test at the end?

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Just to get things going here.

Do you really need 0,5mg adex ED, even a month after finishing the blast?

Is the HG pharma? And for how long do you run it?

Kinda complicated scheme you presented, from what I see only 2 weeks of mast??

And why 4 weeks of higher test at the end?

Ithabks for reply.

1. Should I drop AI to EOD? Remember I do TRT after blast.

2. HGH is Pharma. I have been running 2.5IU for 7 years straight. Started 5IU in 2015 with last cycle and have stayed here with great results. Will likely drop down to 3IU after this cycle.

3. Actually I run MAS for 7 weeks. What I'm doing is stacking the Tren and Mast for those 2 weeks then I drop the Tren. This is my biggest question actually. Should I stack Tren and Mast for the entire cycle along with Sus? Or come off Tren and introduce Mas with the Winny troches?

4. I don't see the higher Test at the end. I maintain 125mg of sus EOD throughout except for he end when I taper off to TRT level of 125mg EW.

BTW the Tren is Tren A

**Mr.BB** · 02-03-2016, 06:03 AM

Jealous on the HG

AI is very personal, seems high to me but you should evaluate it based in bloodwork.

No problem in running tren and mast together, although they say mast should be ran at least 600mgs week.

No need to taper off also.

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 06:26 AM

Wow. So based on your feedback do you think that the following may be a better alternative? Seems like a lot to take at once.

Week 1-12: Pharma HGH 5IU ED
Week 1-12: 125mg Sus EOD
Week 1-12: 100mg Tren A EOD
Week 1-12: 150mg Mas EOD
Week 7-12: 50mg Winny ED
Week 1-16: HCG 250iu 3x week
Week 1-16: AI 1/2 EOD
Week 13-16: NOVA 40/20/20/20
Caber on-hand

Thanks again for your input and feedback.

**Bio-Active** · 02-03-2016, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by DGenRit

Wow. So based on your feedback do you think that the following may be a better alternative? Seems like a lot to take at once.

Week 1-12: Pharma HGH 5IU ED
Week 1-12: 125mg Sus EOD
Week 1-12: 100mg Tren A EOD
Week 1-12: 150mg Mas EOD
Week 7-12: 50mg Winny ED
Week 1-16: HCG 250iu 3x week
Week 1-16: AI 1/2 EOD
Week 13-16: NOVA 40/20/20/20
Caber on-hand

Thanks again for your input and feedback.

If your on trt there is no reason to run pct just go back to your trt dose at the end of the cycle. Mast is an amazing compound if your lean enough to see what it's doing. I wouldn't run the mast under 600 mg ew though

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

If your on trt there is no reason to run pct just go back to your trt dose at the end of the cycle. Mast is an amazing compound if your lean enough to see what it's doing. I wouldn't run the mast under 600 mg ew though

Thanks BIO. What are your thoughts on running Tren /Mast/Sus stacked together (as shown above) vs running Tren/Sus and then dropping the Tren and replacing with mast (Mas/Tren)?

**Bio-Active** · 02-03-2016, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by DGenRit

Thanks BIO. What are your thoughts on running Tren/Mast/Sus stacked together (as shown above) vs running Tren/Sus and then dropping the Tren and replacing with mast (Mas/Tren)?

Tren and mast together when your lean are my favorite compounds. You can pin the sust eod if you want but I don't think you will notice much difference if you just pin it e3.5d. Just depends on how you want to do it and if your pinning anyway

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

Tren and mast together when your lean are my favorite compounds. You can pin the sust eod if you want but I don't think you will notice much difference if you just pin it e3.5d. Just depends on how you want to do it and if your pinning anyway

Thanks again man. Really appreciate your feedback. So just to be clear, you're OK with the following at those levels? Anything you would question here?

Week 1-12: Pharma HGH 5IU ED
Week 1-12: 125mg Sus EOD
Week 1-12: 100mg Tren A EOD
Week 1-12: 150mg Mas EOD
Week 7-12: 50mg Winny ED
Week 1-16: HCG 250iu 3x week
Week 1-16: AI 1/2 EOD
Caber on hand

**Mr.BB** · 02-03-2016, 07:34 AM

Looks better to me, yes. Of course, you need to adapt it to what works better for you.

Only would not do 12 weeks with short esters, maybe program 8 weeks and if gains were still good prolong it a bit further.

Make sure the mast is propianate.

Also, the nolva at end is useless unless you are combating gyno.

Like the backloaded win

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Make sure the mast is prop

Ill have to check ester on Mast. If it's not Prop, what is the work-around?

**Mr.BB** · 02-03-2016, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by DGenRit

Ill have to check eater on Mast. If it's not Prop, what is the work-around?

If its not prop its enanthate , long ester.

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

If its not prop its enanthate, long ester.

Right. So will I need to change up injection timing? E3D or EW? Or leave it at EOD?

**TheTaxMan** · 02-03-2016, 09:08 AM

Beast of a cycle im jealous

**DGenRit** · 02-03-2016, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Beast of a cycle im jealous

Which version TaxMan? The one stacking the TREN /MAST? Or the one that staggers the TREN and MAS at different times? I'm just concerned that 1500 mg a week is too much (and that's before I add 350mg of winny at the end). Would love your input on that concern.

**TheTaxMan** · 02-03-2016, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by DGenRit

Thanks again man. Really appreciate your feedback. So just to be clear, you're OK with the following at those levels? Anything you would question here?

Week 1-12: Pharma HGH 5IU ED
Week 1-12: 125mg Sus EOD
Week 1-12: 100mg Tren A EOD
Week 1-12: 150mg Mas EOD
Week 7-12: 50mg Winny ED
Week 1-16: HCG 250iu 3x week
Week 1-16: AI 1/2 EOD
Caber on hand

This, it looks good
If your concerned its too much id scrap the winny

12 weeks of tren is classed pretty long

Maybe do the tren and mast for just 10 weeks