Testosterone

[chavakiah]

Is it really important to take Testosterone doing a cycle of anavar and clen ?
If yes, what Testosterone would you recommend?(pills please)

[73rr]

Stats plz?

Var and clen are to WAY different things.

[chavakiah]

What do you mean?

[73rr]

What do you mean?

Age, height, weight, bf%, years lifting, diet, days at the gym more information the better!

[musclestack]

At 18 years old, you don't need any of that stuff. Please read: The young and Steroids

[Tearracodo]

Someone will explain in more detail i'm sure. But briefly:

When you take Anavar you will shutdown your natural Testosterone production. Anavar will have some properties linked to DHT(dihydrotestoserone) as it is a derivative however it is still a designer steroid so not all the effects of DHT, DHT is made from testosterone. When you have natural testosterone shutdown, you not only loose any anabolic properties that the test was providing but also the Androgenic properties. The androgenic properties that will effect you the most will relate to mood and energy.

A naturally /normal high testosterone level gives men the following:

• Ability to handle Stress
• Staying Calm
• Think with facts rather than emotion
• Energy
• Ambition and Sex Drive

When you reduce natural test and take out these features you start to loose all of these, you can't handle stress, you get irritable, your more emotional(anger/rage), reduced energy, Depressed. In a nutshell you will feel shit even though you will be gain muscle and size. You need it to feel 'normal' while on. Doing a cycle without it would mean motivation even for the gym is hard. The extent of these side effects varies from person to person but to get the best out of your cycle its worth taking. At the end of the day it has an anabolic effect of its own.

As for oral form, there are a few precursors you can take but if your taking AAS then they are not really effective, you will have to inject. Taking Suston 250 twice a week though could be enough though to maintain a normal testosterone level and give some gains. Although Suston 250 as part of HRT is taken once every 3 weeks so you could get away with that, but if you taking AAS you may as well get the best gains.

This wasn't as brief as i expect it was going to be.

[Tearracodo]

Just read that your 18, way too young for this stuff. You have so much natural potential left, your body will increase test production itself for another 7 years!!! Read the link in the previous post.

[chavakiah]

Ohhh

Age:20
height:6 feet
weight:180-185 pounds
bf%: 18-22%
years lifting: almost 2 years
diet: I was very `lazy about my diet a while ago, but I have changed.
Morning(7:00-8:00 am)
1 banana, 1 yogurt, and oats/ or 2 egg whites

10:00-11:000 am
whey protein (2 scoops)

14:30-15:30 pm
whole rice, salmon/ or chicken breast, 2 eggs

16:30 to 18:00 pm is usually the time that I go to the gym.

Now comes an issue, I don't really a meal planned for 19:00 pm
I either have the same that I had for lunch, or whey protein

[Back In Black]

Take the advice in your other thread, stop your cycle and get some diet advice in our diet section.

You are nowhere near ready to cycle in terms of age, muscle mass or body fat.

[73rr]

Someone will explain in more detail i'm sure. But briefly:

When you take Anavar you will shutdown your natural Testosterone production. Anavar will have some properties linked to DHT(dihydrotestoserone) as it is a derivative however it is still a designer steroid so not all the effects of DHT, DHT is made from testosterone. When you have natural testosterone shutdown, you not only loose any anabolic properties that the test was providing but also the Androgenic properties. The androgenic properties that will effect you the most will relate to mood and energy.

A naturally /normal high testosterone level gives men the following:

• Ability to handle Stress
• Staying Calm
• Think with facts rather than emotion
• Energy
• Ambition and Sex Drive

When you reduce natural test and take out these features you start to loose all of these, you can't handle stress, you get irritable, your more emotional(anger/rage), reduced energy, Depressed. In a nutshell you will feel shit even though you will be gain muscle and size. You need it to feel 'normal' while on. Doing a cycle without it would mean motivation even for the gym is hard. The extent of these side effects varies from person to person but to get the best out of your cycle its worth taking. At the end of the day it has an anabolic effect of its own.

As for oral form, there are a few precursors you can take but if your taking AAS then they are not really effective, you will have to inject. Taking Suston 250 twice a week though could be enough though to maintain a normal testosterone level and give some gains. Although Suston 250 as part of HRT is taken once every 3 weeks so you could get away with that, but if you taking AAS you may as well get the best gains.

This wasn't as brief as i expect it was going to be.

Good write up^^^! Good advice on your other comment of 18 being to young as well.

[73rr]

Take the advice in your other thread, stop your cycle and get some diet advice in our diet section.

You are nowhere near ready to cycle in terms of age, muscle mass or body fat.

Hit it on the head as always BiB. Do as he said, he is one of the best on this forum.

[chavakiah]

Well, I already started the cycle(clen , anavar ), today was the forth day.... I really don't want to stop, but since most of you guys have been telling me to stop...what can I do....
Anyways, would it be dangerous to finish the clen cycle?

[MrFreshmaker]

Well, I already started the cycle(clen, anavar), today was the forth day.... I really don't want to stop, but since most of you guys have been telling me to stop...what can I do.... Anyways, would it be dangerous to finish the clen cycle?

Just stop all together ffs! The guys want to help you,and they know what they're talking about.Steroids CAN and WILL fvck you up for life,permanent damage to your endocrine system! Your testosterone levels are high enough naturally to gain muscle and lose fat. So diet is the key,not steroids! Just listen to them,you will thank them later,i will guarantee you !

[chavakiah]

Okay....I will put them away.

[73rr]

Well, I already started the cycle(clen , anavar ), today was the forth day.... I really don't want to stop, but since most of you guys have been telling me to stop...what can I do....
Anyways, would it be dangerous to finish the clen cycle?

For real plz stop asap. U will for sure f your self up with var and clen only cycle. That's really unsafe and counter productive as well.

[MrFreshmaker]

Okay....I will put them away.

Let me tell you just one example. Your testosterone levels are around 900-1000 ng/dl,so let's say you do a cycle of steroids ,and let's say you do a proper pct with protocol,and you recover fine,your testosterone levels will never ever be at that range anymore,NEVER! After that you will have levels of a 50 yo man(if you're lucky)!
So you made a good decision,your body will thank you!

[Northernpumps]

if you insist on the use of AAS, and a bunk cycle at that.. do what you wanna do cause youre gonna anyways, but PLEASE change your diet... the diet you listed is something id expect to see pre contest for a cut for a small woman... You need caloric intake!!!! Eat Eat and then eat more while youre making more food to eat... Shoot for 4000cal a day with lots of carbs..then when thats easy add a meal and up the calories, and keep upping the intake.. you need calories to grow, and the bigger you get, the bigger the food numbers have to be to maintain the big numbers on the scale...

[chavakiah]

Well, low long will it take to my testosterone levels get back to where they were if I stop now?

[73rr]

If u stop now u have a very very good chance of bouncing right back up. U haven been taking the var for long.

[TheTaxMan]

Just stop now
Dont worry, you will be fine, 4 days is nothing
Good luck

[Far from massive]

As said jump off and don't look back. Recovery will be no problem as you are not yet shut down.

One other caveat as BinB said go to the diet section...
I would wager you will gain far more (without steroids ) from eating right for two months than you would have taking Test/Var and Clen on your current diet,

[tarmyg]

Your beginner mistakes

[kelkel]

Although Suston 250 as part of HRT is taken once every 3 weeks

Except that no one prescribes it for TRT.