test/tren cycle questions

[spykemalo]

Hi,

Ive been thinking about cycling and I would appreciate some input from some knowledgable people if you would so share.

I am currently 24.
My only experience with AAS was running var for 6 weeks when I was 19 (against all solid advice). It was cool, workouts were intense, got very hard...as expected there was no real major result but fortunately no negative effects either so w/e.

Fast forward a couple years, I went through some emotional shit, gain a shitload of fat. I'm 5'6, and I was at 275 lbs (my LBM probably 150lbs-160lbs). I started working out and dieting again about 8 months ago....lot of focus and hard work, I naturally dropped 80lbs in the last 8 months....now I am at 195. It has been getting increasingly difficult to lose more fat....and I keep getting sick, probably due to the calorie deficit.

Anyways, from recommendation of a few friends and some limited personal knowledge, I am thinking about cycling test and tren to help me shed the rest of the fat and not burn off any LBM i have remaining.

I recently did all my bloodwork a week ago...everything is normal, my lipids and metabolics are beyond perfect. TSH and T4 levels were fine. My total test was at 438 (250-1200 i believe is "normal" range).
My father is a doctor. He is not even remotely knowledgable about AAS in an "enhancement" setting, but he is semi open-minded, so I have access to a lot of things I may need.

So my plan would be (if I do go through with it):

8 weeks sustanon (week 1-4, 400mg weekly. week 5-8, 600mg weekly)
8 weeks tren e (week 1-4, 400mg every 5 days. week 5-8, 600mg every 5 days)

Arimidex /acutane/finasteride on cycle to reduce sides.
Clomid/nolva 2-4 weeks PCT.

I would be on a calorie deficit diet. Basic breakdown would be:

Meal 1
2 servings oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, half scoop Optimum Nutrition protein

Meal 2
1 serving almonds + grapefruit

Meal 3
Lean turkey sandwhich with ezekiel bread

Meal 4
6 oz lean chicken + veggies

Meal 5
1 1/2 scoop Optimum Nutrition protein

Vitamins + EFAs everyday and lots of water.

3 days lift + 3 days cardio per week

My intention for the 2 months is mainly to lose more bodyfat, retain LBM, NOT GET SICK...so, based on that....my questions are:
1. Would it be a waste to use tren/test on a cutting cycle?
2. Should I run calorie deficit as planned or should I meet my normal range or should I go higher?
3. Should I eliminate the cardio or reduce it and focus more on lifting?
4. Should I add in clen at any point?
5. Should I add in t3 at any point?
6. Should I increase/reduce dosage?
7. Is HCG necessary/recommended (idk much about it)

Thank you for the help!

[Back In Black]

No, no no no no.

Seriously you have been training 8 months and want to start a cycle? A cycle with the strongest compound there is? And a huge dose of it at that?

Well done on the huge weight loss so far but Honestly, I bet we can kick start your fat loss with diet and workout overhauls.

By the stat you have given you are probably around 20% bodyfat but I think you should post a pic in a new thread that you start in our diet section. That thread should include your stats and current diet with macro's and what lifting and cardio you do.

Good luck.

[spykemalo]

Well technically I haven't been only training for 8 months.
I started training at 17, I stopped around 21. Started again when I was 23, 8 months ago.

I didn't realize that was considered a huge dose. What would be a more moderate dosage for the mix?

What about just test for 8 weeks + t3 (6weeks) + clen 2on 2off?

[Back In Black]

I think you are missing my point about AAS use.

Just because you used to train years ago doesn't mean you are ready. Anything you gained then has been well and truly lost including tendon strength.

you have my best advice, throwing multiple health risking compounds at your body for a 10lb or so weight loss is just crazy.

[numbere]

Well technically I haven't been only training for 8 months.
I started training at 17, I stopped around 21. Started again when I was 23, 8 months ago.

I didn't realize that was considered a huge dose. What would be a more moderate dosage for the mix?

What about just test for 8 weeks + t3 (6weeks) + clen 2on 2off?

OP please follow BIBs advice. He's one of the most knowledgeable members on this board.

You're not ready for AAS at this point in time, and both cycles you proposed are for moderate to advanced users.

You should be able to lose weight easily, at 5'6" 195, with a few changes to your diet and workout routine.

[ScotchGuard02]

Take advantage of the Diet and Exercise sections of this forum. AAS is not a short cut, it can hurt you. Read this post. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ease-help.html

[spykemalo]

Thank you all for your input.

I decided not to go through with this cycle.

I went ahead and purchased calipers, heart rate monitors, and been dong ALOT of research on this forum in order to fine tune my macros and workout schedule for optimum fat loss and muscle preservation.

[bartman314]

go, spykemalo, go!