Should I be adding more training days to my schedule while on cycle?

[MMA_Influenced]

Hey guys.. I cycled on steroids years ago before I really had my diet and consistency down like I do today. I'm trying to hit this form every angle.

Im thinking that I may need to train more often while on cycle.. Im looking for help so I can plan my workouts accordingly..

I am one of those guys who looks at things from every angle and likes to plan ahead for things.. I preplan every single meal I eat and never stray from my diet.

My main issues with cycling correctly are how will this effect my routine? Will I need to train more? Will I need to eat more?

My understanding is that with TEST E things take a while to get to peak level so I was considering upping the intensity of my workouts around weeks 5-6. Possibly even shortening the rest period I gave to specific muscle groups. Obviously a lot of this will have to go off of "feel" but I'd be very appreciative of any vetran lifters on here who could share their experience in going from a NATTY routine to a GEARED routine

[InternalFire]

Im not a vet lifter but I can tell you what I think of this situation, that its not the frequency but intensity that matters most and doesnt matter if one is on or off gear, solid diet and quality rest/recovery periods, all comes in to one equation and gives the results equivalent to the input you've made during the time. Steroids will only amplify things you already have under control, its no magic thing, and Im sure you already know all that, but just to keep one thing in mind - to optimally stimulate muscle growth, muscles need to be fully recovered before you go damage these fibers for more growth, and when you go about damaging them before your muscle fibers recover, you're basically doing more harm then good and your strength/endurance/size will go down the hill. Yes steroids will improve your recovery times to a greater degree but you have to watch your body and change things wisely as you feel and go along.
At first I would keep the routine but increase intensity and go from there.

You may get 10x different advices and most of them will work good while few out of them would work exceptionally well, its down to an individual/genetics/discipline/many other factors.

Good luck man

[MMA_Influenced]

I think your right. Sometimes i see interviews or documentaries on people that had gear.. specifically one olympic runner who said the juice was incredible.. that he had to start training twice a day.

Im not saying to go twice a day.. but Im trying to figure out if maybe waiting a full week to hit the bench press again is optimal.

I guess ill just listen to my body and figure it out.. i find it funny though all these steroid experts on here but not a lot of actual body building experts. At least not willing to speak up.

[numbere]

I guess ill just listen to my body and figure it out.. i find it funny though all these steroid experts on here but not a lot of actual body building experts. At least not willing to speak up.

Maybe we're just tired of spoon feeding every single aspect of cycle when it's clear the the person asking the questions didn't bother to do 10 minutes of hard research.

If you're willing to put some work in and meet us half way the members here are more than obliging when answering questions.

[yardbirdaj]

Everyone's body is different, what might be a workout for one person might be a warmup for another.

[MDelgado34]

Check out Marcus's HIT dungeon thread. HIT is a perfect example that more is not always the answer. Quality over quantity. The link is in the MY FIRST CYCLE thread. Or in the training section.

[Dj Screw]

Maybe we're just tired of spoon feeding every single aspect of cycle when it's clear the the person asking the questions didn't bother to do 10 minutes of hard research.

If you're willing to put some work in and meet us half way the members here are more than obliging when answering questions.

I could not agree with you more. This is thread #1231231314 of his and every single question he asks could be answered by minutes of research. When he doesn't get detailed replies from 50 different people he plays the "I thought there were experts here" "No one must want to speak up" lol.

Maybe people are getting annoyed of your threads that could easily be answered by yourself if you put in a little effort instead of expecting to be spoon fed for everything

[InternalFire]

oh lads, here it goes...

life is tough

[Mr.BB]

i find it funny though all these steroid experts on here but not a lot of actual body building experts. At least not willing to speak up.

Sorry, because of your nickname thought that it was some fight/mma related question, of which I know nothing.

Like, already was said read the HIT dungeon in the lobby, it will answer your questions. What matters most is intensity (HIT), which you should increase on-cycle. You will be able to train harder.

Dont agree in training more often, although you might think so as you wont get sored as offcycle, but you body grows in the kitchen not in the gym.

And yes, you need to eat more to grow, and on cycle you need to increase food intake.

[MDelgado34]

Maybe this thread would do better in the training section...

[MMA_Influenced]

Maybe we're just tired of spoon feeding every single aspect of cycle when it's clear the the person asking the questions didn't bother to do 10 minutes of hard research.

If you're willing to put some work in and meet us half way the members here are more than obliging when answering questions.

Ive acctually been researching for years.. and ive been anxious about my first cycle. I even researched all day once last week.

Sometimes i want to hear different people opinions because i want to see whats said and different points of view.

For instance i watched a documentary where a guy claimed juice was great for him and that he was lifting twice a day (i thought that sounded crazy) but then i go on here and some people say that you can train with more intensity but not train more sessions.

See the difference? This is research for me. And i do like help but i am always the first to help other people out but in this world it seems whenever i ask for help someone gets an attitude. I think sometimes its nice to have discussions even if they were had before.

[numbere]

I don't mind having discussions that were had before.

Most of the conversions that I have I here are repetitive.

You made a statement about people not responding to your post and I gave you an honest answer.

[73rr]

Ive acctually been researching for years.. and ive been anxious about my first cycle. I even researched all day once last week.

Sometimes i want to hear different people opinions because i want to see whats said and different points of view.

For instance i watched a documentary where a guy claimed juice was great for him and that he was lifting twice a day (i thought that sounded crazy) but then i go on here and some people say that you can train with more intensity but not train more sessions.

See the difference? This is research for me. And i do like help but i am always the first to help other people out but in this world it seems whenever i ask for help someone gets an attitude. I think sometimes its nice to have discussions even if they were had before.

I think what ppl are saying is that alot of your questions are already answered in many threads on this forum.

If we answered ever person that asked the same question over and over again this for will go no were.

If u have any questions that u can't find out in the search section or if u feel like the threads are confusing u plz start a new one or pm some of the high up guys and I'm sure u will find your answer.

[InternalFire]

I just dont get it. I have dished out the answer of a top caliber, why this thread is still continuing? I don't know.
If you want to believe you can-want-should train 2-3 times a day - go try and do it! Learn shit the hard way see how it goes.

What difference will it make if everyone goes and voices their diferent opinions here regards training when you've already read it all elsewhere in your recent past? If you cant make up your own mind and draw conclusions just take one any idea (etc one I suggested) stick to it and give it a run for its money. If it wont work for you - alter it or change it for whatever you feel like it, but stick to new routine and time-test it. See how that goes, less talk - more work

[Proximal]

MMA, you did seem to cop a bit of an attitude, so that did not help, but with that said I get where your question is coming from and I am just posting to continue the conversation.

Just yesterday I went and bought both "Muscular Development" (had Austinite on the cover - damn he's one good looking dude!) and a "Flex" for some motivation. Case and point: in May's Flex, Arnold stated he trained body parts 3x/wk. with 25-30 sets for larger muscle groups. In June's MD, he stated he did 20-25 sets of calves every day (because they were lagging). But of course, he was Arnold and genetically gifted, however, this is what I recall in general when I was younger, greater volume - and I assumed they could pull off that volume because of the recovery aspects of AAS. So this is what I recalled as being the "norm" when I was younger (we're talking 1970's - 80's here). I don't recall anyone besides Mike Metzer going the low volume route.

But then you look through the rest of both of the above magazines and the "norm" appears to be considerably less. I'm seeing typically that each body part is hit only once per week and the exercise and set amounts are much lower. I am curious, when did this fundamental switch come about? Although I was working out in the 90's and into the next century, I didn't read any magazines. Now I've been on TRT and have amazing success, and just starting my first cycle and my interest is once again peaked.

[numbere]

Just yesterday I went and bought both "Muscular Development" (had Austinite on the cover - damn he's one good looking dude!) and a "Flex" for some motivation. Case and point: in May's Flex, Arnold stated he trained body parts 3x/wk. with 25-30 sets for larger muscle groups. In June's MD, he stated he did 20-25 sets of calves every day (because they were lagging). But of course, he was Arnold and genetically gifted, however, this is what I recall in general when I was younger, greater volume - and I assumed they could pull off that volume because of the recovery aspects of AAS. So this is what I recalled as being the "norm" when I was younger (we're talking 1970's - 80's here). I don't recall anyone besides Mike Metzer going the low volume route.

I read Arnold's New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding (Bill Dobbins was the real author) several time cover to cover when I was a young lad.

IMO a lot the the bodybuilding information in that book that is quoted from Arnold is a stretch of the truth and was said to trip people up.

[Proximal]

I read Arnold's New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding (Bill Dobbins was the real author) several time cover to cover when I was a young lad.

IMO a lot the the bodybuilding information in that book that is quoted from Arnold is a stretch of the truth and was said to trip people up.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. However, what I remember back in the day (and certainly I could have remembered it incorrectly, it has after all been a while) - what seemed to be the pinnacle of working out would be: 3 days on and 1 off, but on those 3 days, generally 2x per day. But after that off day, the 3 days would be repeated, thus every body part was worked 2x/wk.

[MDelgado34]

I don't recall anyone besides Mike Metzer going the low volume route.

Dorian Yates did HIT, Mark Dugdale i think did as well. David Henry did DC training which was similar even Chris Cormier tried HIT. And the volume was there just 1 all out set. I know alot of people think Mentzer and Dorian did just 1 set but they also pyramided their "warm up" sets. It was just a way of upping the intensity I think. Heard that Voulme works well when on cycle because there is more blood in your body so you can deliver more nutrients to the muscles so you want to pump as much blood as you can. Im not sure if thats true but it sounds good!

[MuscleScience]

I think the key for anyone is to do a particular philosophy or program and see how their body reacts. I love HIIT and Crossfit, I love volume training and powerlifting. But regardless of what I try to get my body to do. If I lift anything more than 3 hard days a week , I become overtrained fairly quickly. Some of my friends hit it hard 6 times a week and are fine. We all have different potentials.

[InternalFire]

I think the key for anyone is to do a particular philosophy or program and see how their body reacts....... We all have different potentials.

Nailed it ^

[Proximal]

Dorian Yates did HIT, Mark Dugdale i think did as well. David Henry did DC training which was similar even Chris Cormier tried HIT. And the volume was there just 1 all out set. I know alot of people think Mentzer and Dorian did just 1 set but they also pyramided their "warm up" sets. It was just a way of upping the intensity I think. Heard that Voulme works well when on cycle because there is more blood in your body so you can deliver more nutrients to the muscles so you want to pump as much blood as you can. Im not sure if thats true but it sounds good!

You're correct, but it was meant to be no one else at that particular time (late 70's in particular). Never stopped training, but there is a gap in my awareness between the 90's and now (crap-just shocked myself in how long that is!) regarding frequency and volume of training in body-building. I'm starting to get the impression that working muscle groups 1x per week seems to be more of the norm. And yes of course MuscleScience, completely agree that it will always depend on that person's personal response.

[InternalFire]

if it all worked that well, we would have 98% more success rates in achieving our fitness goals, dont you think?

Keeping people naive, believing in certain dogmas as a blueprint and keeping that industry how it was intended to be - a multi-billion $ supplements industry, for the most part all that it is. If it worked so well, and it applies not only to muscle building techniques, everybody would have be on a top of their careerer/goals.

Only few % in this world achieve what they set out to do because they manage to think for themselves. This may apply to every 100 members signed up would only 1-2 of them would sincerely honestly read and draw conclusions before go all out asking to be spoon-fed.

No hard feelings, life's a bitch, be tough.

[Wallstreetbully]

Maybe we're just tired of spoon feeding every single aspect of cycle when it's clear the the person asking the questions didn't bother to do 10 minutes of hard research.

If you're willing to put some work in and meet us half way the members here are more than obliging when answering questions.

Maybe he's right! I'd love to see some pics of a lot of you guys on here, especially you! I'll admit, you seem to have a lot of knowledge when it comes to gear, but wtf does your body look like???
.....................�� I'll wait

[numbere]

Maybe he's right! I'd love to see some pics of a lot of you guys on here, especially you! I'll admit, you seem to have a lot of knowledge when it comes to gear, but wtf does your body look like???
.....................�� I'll wait

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

[MDelgado34]

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

BOOM!! Well done sir...

[Proximal]

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

It's very cool to put an image with a name, particularly yours because I'm consistently amazed at your enormous wealth of knowledge. Thanks for all of your posts, it's been a genuine pleasure reading them for the past 8 months I've been on the forum!

[Wallstreetbully]

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

✔️MATE!
I'll keep it 100% real. It's obvious you know your shit.
I've researched a lot of what I see you type, & you're always spot on.
Opinions vary on many things, but you're always pretty accurate.
I often wonder what folks on here look like. Not saying that you have to be in shape to be knowledgeable, but it's great to see someone with your knowledge look the way you do in that pic. I'm a man, & I can accept when I've been shut up :/
Respect fam!

[numbere]

BOOM!! Well done sir...

It's very cool to put an image with a name, particularly yours because I'm consistently amazed at your enormous wealth of knowledge. Thanks for all of your posts, it's been a genuine pleasure reading them for the past 8 months I've been on the forum!

✔️MATE!
I'll keep it 100% real. It's obvious you know your shit.
I've researched a lot of what I see you type, & you're always spot on.
Opinions vary on many things, but you're always pretty accurate.
I often wonder what folks on here look like. Not saying that you have to be in shape to be knowledgeable, but it's great to see someone with your knowledge look the way you do in that pic. I'm a man, & I can accept when I've been shut up :/
Respect fam!

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

I'm looking forward to having a great summer and growing with all of you.

[Mr.BB]

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

I'm looking forward to having a great summer and growing with all of you.

Looking good Numb

[Proximal]

And speaking of pictures Mr. BB, we were always privileged at seeing your upper body development, may I add that your legs are even more impressive!

[Mr.BB]

And speaking of pictures Mr. BB, we were always privileged at seeing your upper body development, may I add that your legs are even more impressive!

[NACH3]

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

Looking solid as fvk Numbere! Go to the dungeon or Bio and Is thread it's got s couple new ones

[Bio-Active]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163622"/> This is from last july/august before my workout. I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

you look great brother similar stats to me

[NACH3]

Dorian Yates did HIT, Mark Dugdale i think did as well. David Henry did DC training which was similar even Chris Cormier tried HIT. And the volume was there just 1 all out set. I know alot of people think Mentzer and Dorian did just 1 set but they also pyramided their "warm up" sets. It was just a way of upping the intensity I think. Heard that Voulme works well when on cycle because there is more blood in your body so you can deliver more nutrients to the muscles so you want to pump as much blood as you can. Im not sure if thats true but it sounds good!

What is growth?? All it is - is putting your body under so much stress that it's got NO CHOICE TO GROW! Whatever type of training style it may be... The key is that it needs to be done in a high intensity manner w/very short rest periods & S/S's tri sets drop sets Rest Pauses forced reps into negatives etc!

Remember what builds your muscle will keep it and vice versa! So if your a HIT guy then HIT is what you stick with but time your cycles after coming off of a pullback(deload phase) then into full bore HIT you'll grow like a weed

if anything your going to be training harder and more intensely(push your limits like you've never had) that does not mean for you to go and do two a days on cycle when you can tear that BP down in less than an hr! And be sore as hell all the way up till its time to train that BP again(usually 7-9 days in my experiences I've been keeping it at 7days and hitting that BP on the 8th recently)

[OdinsOtherSon]

What is growth?? All it is - is putting your body under so much stress that it's got NO CHOICE TO GROW! Whatever type of training style it may be... The key is that it needs to be done in a high intensity manner w/very short rest periods & S/S's tri sets drop sets Rest Pauses forced reps into negatives etc!

Remember what builds your muscle will keep it and vice versa! So if your a HIT guy then HIT is what you stick with but time your cycles after coming off of a pullback(deload phase) then into full bore HIT you'll grow like a weed

if anything your going to be training harder and more intensely(push your limits like you've never had) that does not mean for you to go and do two a days on cycle when you can tear that BP down in less than an hr! And be sore as hell all the way up till its time to train that BP again(usually 7-9 days in my experiences I've been keeping it at 7days and hitting that BP on the 8th recently)

Generally I tend to agree with NACH and do with this^^; however, we're all different and respond to various training methods and diets differently. Also, new research is always being done. Here is an interesting article I ran across a few days ago.

Muscle growth may be improved with longer rest between weightlifting sets - Medical News Today

[InternalFire]

This is from last july/august before my workout.

I don't weigh myself but I'm somewhere around 180-190 at 5'7".

Looking real solid soulja! Respect!

Now I think its time we should see the caller's actual photo

[MMA_Influenced]

You guys are right i did have a but of an attitude. I was juat frustrated after a long daybajd then 2 hours of research where literally everybody went back and forth giving multiple opinions.

Also i apologize for putting too many threads out.. i was trying to get a few more posts under my belt and didnt think it would annoy anyone in the process.

Also from what ive learned on this topic.. many different variables includjng strength of gear/level of lifting experience and where you are in relation to your natural max muscular levels (clean). And after all that it still may be up to genetics as different people react differently to gear and how big aj effect it will eventually be.

I guess this is more of an individual experiment that we all have to learn the answers to on our own.. i start next month. Cant wait

[InternalFire]

Well taken MMA,

As long as you plan all that you do, and follow whatever you set out to do with as much discipline as you can put forward, see results and reflect on what worked and where you could tweak thing or two, and you will uncover fields of possibilities. Nothing will work if you keep on searching and not settling with something or keep on switching in between things before something takes place to work. You've got to be patient on this one, and learn yourself trough this journey.

Good luck man