This gear is BUNK, or I'm impatient.

[Wallstreetbully]

So I started my first cycle ever, 4 wks ago.
Test E @ 600mg/wk. Started Tren Ace on wk 4
@ 300mg/wk. Just started wk 5 yesterday.
As of now, I look and fee the exact same as I did before the cycle. I've trained harder than ever, & the diet has been solid. No noticeable strength gains. I only look slightly different while training & I have a pimp going. Hard ons are more frequent, but that's about it. I cheated a little more than usual on the 3rd wk of the cycle. I'm naturally around 230LBS. I was 213 when I started my cycle. 223 after wk 3, but I cheated on the diet that week, so 223 means shit to me, because I'm usually heavier than that.
I know this shit isn't magic juice, but damn!
Am I being impatient, or is this hear BUNK!
If I go hmget blood work done, what exactly should I ask for?

This pic was taken right before I started the cycle. I still look like this.

[parkra]

Even with e in range the test alone should make noticeably more bloated, if u haven't had noticeable strength gains 5 weeks into test and tren a with a cheat diet I'm going with underdosed or bunk

[Wallstreetbully]

Even with e in range the test alone should make noticeably more bloated, if u haven't had noticeable strength gains 5 weeks into test and tren a with a cheat diet I'm going with underdosed or bunk

I eat 1 cheat meal/wk, sometimes 2. I eat 6-7 times/day (clean). This is the 5th wk of test, & 2nd wk on tren. I see some bloat, & that could be where the weight gain came from. But I bet it's underdosed.
I'm gonna bump the test up to from 600 to 1000mg/wk.
Need blood work first. What do I need to ask for, in terms of blood work?

[Sfla80]

I eat 1 cheat meal/wk, sometimes 2. I eat 6-7 times/day (clean). This is the 5th wk of test, & 2nd wk on tren. I see some bloat, & that could be where the weight gain came from. But I bet it's underdosed.
I'm gonna bump the test up to from 600 to 1000mg/wk.
Need blood work first. What do I need to ask for, in terms of blood work?

5th we3k on test, it's a good time to get bloods done and find out for sure.

R u in the states?

Go to TRT forum. And kel had a sticky for blood work. Order it online

[numbere]

You're using tren on your first cycle when you were told to only use test.

That's a very good sign of being impatient.

[Wallstreetbully]

You're using tren on your first cycle when you were told to only use test.

That's a very good sign of being impatient.

I was suggested to only use test. I wasn't "told" anything.
I decided to go against that suggestion. Not impatient, just my decision as a grown man.

[numbere]

I was suggested to only use test. I wasn't "told" anything.
I decided to go against that suggestion. Not impatient, just my decision as a grown man.

Syntax

No buddy, that's a sign of impatience.

[Mr.BB]

Tren will show its ugly head sooner or later

[Wallstreetbully]

Syntax

No buddy, that's a sign of impatience.

My man.......I'm 35 years old, & this is my first cycle.
I think I've done an ok job of building my physique naturally for 19 years before I even considered gear.
Our definition of patience/impatience is obviously differ, so let's just agree to disagree.

[Wallstreetbully]

5th we3k on test, it's a good time to get bloods done and find out for sure.

R u in the states?

Go to TRT forum. And kel had a sticky for blood work. Order it online

I'm in the states. I'll take a look now. Thank you

[Proximal]

I was suggested to only use test. I wasn't "told" anything.
I decided to go against that suggestion. Not impatient, just my decision as a grown man.

Have/had a couple of occupations where I "tell/instruct/recommend/suggest" people to do certain things because I am considered an "expert" at my position. It's very frustrating if someone does not follow my advice & particularly so if they come back to me with issues on advice not followed.

No offense intended - just saying, particularly when the guys here are doing this assumably because they simply want to help.

BTW, fantastic physique, clearly you put in a LOT of time/work! Interesting to see what everyone makes of your blood work.

[Metalject]

I was suggested to only use test. I wasn't "told" anything.
I decided to go against that suggestion. Not impatient, just my decision as a grown man.

You have violated the rules and chosen to exercise liberty, which is tremendously frowned upon by the internet advisory board.

Steroid users that live online are perhaps some of the biggest hypocrites around. They complain about steroid laws and the rights of men to be able to make their own decision but ridicule and belittle a man for choosing anything that goes against their own common wisdom. Like all tyrants they justify their behavior by saying they're looking out for your best interest.

To the point, is using Tren the first go around the best idea in the world? No, probably not.
Is it going to be the end of the world or even your life? Not a chance.
Would I ever recommend someone use Tren their first cycle? No, I would not, but I also wouldn't crap my pants if they did.
Will internet steroid users ever be able to accept others going against their own common wisdom? Not a chance in hell, but I will always contend that if I want do chode an 8-ball right up my own asshole, as a grown man I should have every right to do so.

[numbere]

My man.......I'm 35 years old, & this is my first cycle.
I think I've done an ok job of building my physique naturally for 19 years before I even considered gear.
Our definition of patience/impatience is obviously differ, so let's just agree to disagree.

I'm certainly not going to argue with you, to each his own.

But I do find it odd that you would ask a question if you only want to hear one answer or complements on your physique.

[numbere]

You have violated the rules and chosen to exercise liberty, which is tremendously frowned upon by the internet advisory board.

Steroid users that live online are perhaps some of the biggest hypocrites around. They complain about steroid laws and the rights of men to be able to make their own decision but ridicule and belittle a man for choosing anything that goes against their own common wisdom. Like all tyrants they justify their behavior by saying they're looking out for your best interest.

To the point, is using Tren the first go around the best idea in the world? No, probably not.
Is it going to be the end of the world or even your life? Not a chance.
Would I ever recommend someone use Tren their first cycle? No, I would not, but I also wouldn't crap my pants if they did.
Will internet steroid users ever be able to accept others going against their own common wisdom? Not a chance in hell, but I will always contend that if I want do chode an 8-ball right up my own asshole, as a grown man I should have every right to do so.

I think you're blowing my opinion out of proportion.

OP asked if he was being impatient.

I said yes, and an example of your impatience is that you used tren.

[MuscleScience]

At 4 weeks your body is just starting to ramp up all that it needs to really start harnessing the full effects increase testosterone.

Btw, I think we shouldn't be so brutal to those that go against convention. That is one thing that has killed this board. Thou shalt not question bro science is almost punishable by death on this board.

Guess what, I do oral only cycles, think stacking 3 or more compounds is a huge waste, I don't run test with tren or Deca and I think doing a 12 week cycle is a waste and is more damaging on the endocrine system.

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything lol

[kelkel]

Op be patient a couple more weeks. Pull some BW around week six and try to get this:

TT
FT
E2 Sensitive
CBC
CMP

It's really about all you need mid cycle otherwise you'll pay an arm and a leg. Add to it if you like if moneys not an issue. About 2 months post pct the list you were referred to would be great if possible.

[Wallstreetbully]

I'm certainly not going to argue with you, to each his own.

But I do find it odd that you would ask a question if you only want to hear one answer or complements on your physique.

Your response had NOTHING to do with my question.
I didn't ask if I was making a mistake by using tren on my first cycle.
I simply asked if I was being impatient because I see no effects from what I'm using. You took it upon yourself to jack the post, & to tell me that I didn't do what you "told" me to do. Stop trying to flip The intentions of my post around. I simply referenced my many years of "natural" training & my present look because you're saying I'm impatient because I used Tren. I'm saying that if I was able to train naturally for 19 years before starting my first cycle, I'm the furthest from impatient.

[Wallstreetbully]

Op be patient a couple more weeks. Pull some BW around week six and try to get this:

TT
FT
E2 Sensitive
CBC
CMP

It's really about all you need mid cycle otherwise you'll pay an arm and a leg. Add to it if you like if moneys not an issue. About 2 months post pct the list you were referred to would be great if possible.

Thanks man....
I couldn't find the sticky you posted in the TRT forum.
I was told there's something I can order online.

[jstone]

Thanks man....
I couldn't find the sticky you posted in the TRT forum.
I was told there's something I can order online.

You can order it from private md labs .com just put the words together in your browser.

get the female hormone panel and add the sensitive e2 test. The female panel has the proper testosterone test, but the wrong e2 test. This is the easiest way I have found to get what you need.

[Metalject]

I think you're blowing my opinion out of proportion.

OP asked if he was being impatient.

I said yes, and an example of your impatience is that you used tren.

You obviously have a decent understanding of gear, I can see that in reading your post and I won't deny you that.
However, in this thread I did not address or single you out, until this post.

Secondly, on the broader scope, I believe you have somewhat of an irrational fear of gear. There is nothing wrong with taking a safe approach but your approach is not going to be right for everyone. There isn't a competitor alive that would make it on a stage anywhere if he took your advice on gear use. Does this mean your advice on gear is false or wrong? No, but you treat your advice as gospel and all those that don't follow it are heretics or morons. I find that annoying, misguided and I would bet you just about anything, if you continue the gear game for a serious length of time, your thoughts and opinions will change from where they are today, mine have and so do most.

Lastly, sure I've used a lot of Tren but I don't know if your comment was serious or tongue and cheek. I'm a pretty patient person in just about every aspect of life. I've been very patient on this board for many years, but at some point, everyone grows tired of ridiculousness and I find some of the ways by some here just that, ridiculous. Therefore, less patience.

[Wallstreetbully]

You can order it from private md labs .com just put the words together in your browser.

get the female hormone panel and add the sensitive e2 test. The female panel has the proper testosterone test, but the wrong e2 test. This is the easiest way I have found to get what you need.

Thanks man.... I would've gotten the Male Panel

[numbere]

Your response had NOTHING to do with my question.
I didn't ask if I was making a mistake by using tren on my first cycle.
I simply asked if I was being impatient because I see no effects from what I'm using. You took it upon yourself to jack the post, & to tell me that I didn't do what you "told" me to do. Stop trying to flip The intentions of my post around. I simply referenced my many years of "natural" training & my present look because you're saying I'm impatient because I used Tren. I'm saying that if I was able to train naturally for 19 years before starting my first cycle, I'm the furthest from impatient.

I was going to type a rebuttal but this has gone on long enough.

I'll stay out of your future threads.

[Wallstreetbully]

You obviously have a decent understanding of gear, I can see that in reading your post and I won't deny you that.
However, in this thread I did not address or single you out, until this post.

Secondly, on the broader scope, I believe you have somewhat of an irrational fear of gear. There is nothing wrong with taking a safe approach but your approach is not going to be right for everyone. There isn't a competitor alive that would make it on a stage anywhere if he took your advice on gear use. Does this mean your advice on gear is false or wrong? No, but you treat your advice as gospel and all those that don't follow it are heretics or morons. I find that annoying, misguided and I would bet you just about anything, if you continue the gear game for a serious length of time, your thoughts and opinions will change from where they are today, mine have and so do most.

Lastly, sure I've used a lot of Tren but I don't know if your comment was serious or tongue and cheek. I'm a pretty patient person in just about every aspect of life. I've been very patient on this board for many years, but at some point, everyone grows tired of ridiculousness and I find some of the ways by some here just that, ridiculous. Therefore, less patience.

I agree....I don't question his knowledge on gear at all.
But come on man

[Wallstreetbully]

I was going to type a rebuttal but this has gone on long enough.

I'll stay out of your future threads.

All good man.

[numbere]

You obviously have a decent understanding of gear, I can see that in reading your post and I won't deny you that.
However, in this thread I did not address or single you out, until this post.

Secondly, on the broader scope, I believe you have somewhat of an irrational fear of gear. There is nothing wrong with taking a safe approach but your approach is not going to be right for everyone. There isn't a competitor alive that would make it on a stage anywhere if he took your advice on gear use. Does this mean your advice on gear is false or wrong? No, but you treat your advice as gospel and all those that don't follow it are heretics or morons. I find that annoying, misguided and I would bet you just about anything, if you continue the gear game for a serious length of time, your thoughts and opinions will change from where they are today, mine have and so do most.

Lastly, sure I've used a lot of Tren but I don't know if your comment was serious or tongue and cheek. I'm a pretty patient person in just about every aspect of life. I've been very patient on this board for many years, but at some point, everyone grows tired of ridiculousness and I find some of the ways by some here just that, ridiculous. Therefore, less patience.

I assumed you were referring to me because I was the only one to mention tren.

It's not fear, just a deep respect.

I understand the difference between cycling for a show and cycling for the beach.

This is why I don't give much competition advice.

To be honest half the people who come here for advice are imbecile.

You're kind of preaching to the choir because you treat your advice as gospel.

I don't understand your last point.

[Metalject]

I assumed you were referring to me because I was the only one to mention tren.

It's not fear, just a deep respect.

I understand the difference between cycling for a show and cycling for the beach.

This is why I don't give much competition advice.

To be honest half the people who come here for advice are imbecile.

You're kind of preaching to the choir because you treat your advice as gospel.

I don't understand your last point.

No, I wasn't referring to you directly. Any time I refer to someone directly I will always do just that, directly, by either quoting them or addressing them by their name. I won't ever insinuate, if I do it would be by mistake (forgetting to hit the quote button) and if I do, feel free to address it.

Sure, a lot of people come here not knowing much about gear, but that's why they come here, hopefully to learn but also to simply share and discuss. I think people often forget that, sometimes people just want to share and discuss, they don't want to be called an idiot just because they don't follow the board criteria. And by "board criteria" every steroid message board has one. Go to any board and you'll find variances in how people do things and how they believe they should be done. This doesn't mean they're all right, but gear use isn't an exact black and white topic, there are more than a few good ways to do things.

As far as my advice, no I don't believe I am the end all be all when it comes to the topic, not by a longshot. I have my own experiences and I'm sure there are things that we may see differently, that's fine, that's life. I'll also admit, freely, that at times, perhaps more often lately, I'll post a reply in a harsher manner to get my point across, but some of it is also due to frustration. That leads to my last point, the board has grown very autocratic in its views. If you opened 1000 of the most recent threads more than half the comments would be identical, "read the stickies", "stats", "you mentioned nothing about PCT" which to me, is more often than not, not in the least bit helpful and completely contradicts the entire purpose of a message board. As I alluded to in another post in another thread, if that is the desire of the board, why not just create a content based website and say "do exactly this, do exactly these things, follow these exact rules when using gear" and do away with a message board. And that's exactly how a lot of guys treat the board.

[bermich]

All I have to say is ALOT of the advice on these boards is just regurgitated advice. The new thing now is take an AI where as 10 years ago, it didnt matter. You didnt see people chiming in about AIs unless gyno was present etc. Peope like to feel important kinda like posting on Youtube. WHAT WORKS FOR YOU IS WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. It may work differently for others. Thats why you just take the basics and play around with it. Tren your first cycle: who cares. Its your body. You did it. People are gettign all bent out of shape over it??? WHY? But to the point::::: FOR ME, test kicks in on week 6. Not sure why but it always has. It stuck around 6 weeks after my last injection also. So,,,,be patient. But if after week 6 you see NO EFFECTS, bogus gear or too low of a dose

[ppwc1985]

Op, you may just be being impatient, when I use test e it doesn't kick in till late like week 7-8. And even tren ace took about two and half weeks to really feel it. Give it a few weeks more and get that bloodwork done. Good luck.

[numbere]

I'm aware that many ignorant people come here for answers, and I'm more than happy to help.

But when the same advise is given from multiple people and the person doesn't follow that advice then comes back with an issue it becomes rather frustrating.

I don't really see any issue with directing someone to a well written sticky.

It gets everyone on the same page quickly and no important information is lost.

Inorder to explain to someone the best was to approach a first cycle would take hours.

You wouldn't have enough time to respond to multiple threads.

Just to provide some clarity when I made the statement, using tren is a sign of your impatience, I was referring to the OP not to you MJ.