First Cycle!! Please add anything that i've missed out on!

[blazezoom]

Hey guys i'm only new here!
Anyways I've been training for the past 4 years non stop 5-6 days per week (a couple of breaks a week or two rarely)
I'm now starting to research about cycles ect. anyways i'm going to start Test e in the first week of the new year.
Stats
Age :21 (nearly 22)
Weight : 64kg
Height : 5'5

Going to get a blood test first week of my cycle then 5th then after pct
Running first two weeks of my cycle of test e at 250mg then bump it up to 500mg, 3vials of 10ml using 23g 1.5inch into my glute
Im running nolvadex as pct 2 weeks after my cycle has finished 40/40/20/20

I've been training for so long, and i find it too hard to put on weight because i have a very fast metabolism.
My usual diet from mon-fri
5am (oats with milk) and protein shake
6:30am (bacon and egg roll)
9am (Watermelon, Pineapple, Strawberrys, Peaches, Blueberrys, Blackberrys) (its either 3 or 4 of these)
12am (steak, mashed potato, with beans) or (large bowl of pasta)
6pm (protein shake)
7pm (steak, pasta, lamb chops) - Varies everyday
10pm Protein shake

My diet varies of course everyday and is limited because im at work and have very limited time to eat .

This question has been answered everywhere and is different for many people. But is it highly recommended to run arimidex .025 from day one of the cycle? (very paranoid about the gyno)
I've also attached of my body currently. Please add if i missed out on anything thanks!

[kelkel]

Blaze it's obvious that you're putting in the work. That said, I'd strongly consider waiting another couple years. Regardless, read this to the letter:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

And welcome to the forum.

[numbere]

Blaze nice work so far, your physique looks great for 21 years old.

You should reconsider this cycle because at your age your body and sex organs are still developing.

This means you won't grow any taller and your shoulders/chest won't grow any broader.

Shutting down your HTPA at this time greatly increases the chances of having life long side effects.

It would be unfortunate if you had erectile disfunction or had to be on TRT injecting test for the next 50 years of your life because you wanted faster results in the gym.

You should consider putting this cycle off until you're in your mid to late 20s.

Your diet can bee improved upon in many areas.

At most you're only eating one solidd well rounded meal a day.

[Proximal]

Seriously, 21? Kid, you're going to be amazing in the future, just wait on the aas.

Baring few, you've got two of our most knowledgeable members above.

Bacon & egg roll and still cut? Please!

[blazezoom]

I'm already short, its a family thing, im actually reconsidering it because of my age but every tom, dick and harry at my age is on it and they have solid gains with no side effects....was already scared to loosing my hair through a cycle so i got my hands on proscar, gyno i have arimidex... whats the chances of getting a erectile disfunction..?

[blazezoom]

Blaze nice work so far, your physique looks great for 21 years old.

You should reconsider this cycle because at your age your body and sex organs are still developing.

This means you won't grow any taller and your shoulders/chest won't grow any broader.

Shutting down your HTPA at this time greatly increases the chances of having life long side effects.

It would be unfortunate if you had erectile disfunction or had to be on TRT injecting test for the next 50 years of your life because you wanted faster results in the gym.

You should consider putting this cycle off until you're in your mid to late 20s.

Your diet can bee improved upon in many areas.

At most you're only eating one solidd well rounded meal a day.

Does erectile disfunction only happen to people under the age of 25 or ? or is there more of a chance of getting it at under 25?

[Back In Black]

Just because your friends don't exhibit side effects doesn't mean they don't have them. Do you really think a 21 year old would tell his mates if he couldn't get it it up? In any event, short term side effects may be minimal but shutting down and potentially permanently damaging your HTPA before it is fully developed?

Here is some further reading

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

[hammerheart]

I'm already short, its a family thing, im actually reconsidering it because of my age but every tom, dick and harry at my age is on it and they have solid gains with no side effects....was already scared to loosing my hair through a cycle so i got my hands on proscar, gyno i have arimidex... whats the chances of getting a erectile disfunction..?

If you are worried about hair then don't cycle, as simple as that. More serious things can go wrong.

I won't recommend finasteride at your age either.

Does erectile disfunction only happen to people under the age of 25 or ? or is there more of a chance of getting it at under 25?

I spontaneously developed low T at age 23-24 and I went full ED. Before TRT dick felt like it wasn't there even but overall sexual dysfunction yet have to resolve (I'm 27 now).

Good luck with your gains.

[numbere]

Does erectile disfunction only happen to people under the age of 25 or ? or is there more of a chance of getting it at under 25?

To be completely honest with you ED doesn't happen soon after cycling to every young adult but the chance of it happening is very high.

It can also happen to older adults but the risk is lower and the chance of it going away is much higher when one is fully developed.

Please read a few threads in the database attached below for first hand accounts of health problems arising from using AAS at a young age.

***Cycles going wrong for the young***

[songdog]

Bro you are really looking good! But just beacuse your friends are doing it make your decision for you.Problems can pop up 10yrs later Ed no libido depression.And there is no 100% safe way.You got one hell of a start keep it going bro and glad to see you here.

[blazezoom]

Bro you are really looking good! But just beacuse your friends are doing it make your decision for you.Problems can pop up 10yrs later Ed no libido depression.And there is no 100% safe way.You got one hell of a start keep it going bro and glad to see you here.

Thanks buddy, I've honestly hit my peak with my body, I've got heaps of strength and i can't go anymore (maybe work on legs twice a week instead of one) but I'm fixing up my diet to 2500 calories per day for 6 days. People on the forum say im too young but people i speak to in real life about it say 21 is a good age. Really don't know what to believe. I'll probably end up doing what i want to do and suffer the consequences. And going to add clomid as pct if i end up doing it.

[AR's King Silabolin]

12am (steak, mashed potato, with beans) or (large bowl of pasta)
6pm (protein shake)
7pm (steak, pasta, lamb chops) - Varies everyday
10pm Protein shake

U eat a good lunch then u dont eat in 6 hours. Then u eat protein which most likely would be used a s energy.
am is after midnigth, rigth?..(:-))..so u dont sleep.
Put in meat and pasta at 3 pm and maybe its all it takes to increase your size.

And try to exchange proteindrinks with the real deal. All the pros do it...why?...everybody should think about this. Growing is hard but the pros do it but they also manage to put in time to cook.

I know its a pain in the ass but if u wanted real bad eating real food is so so much better than the damned easy cheap good tasting proteinskakes.

[numbere]

Thanks buddy, I've honestly hit my peak with my body, I've got heaps of strength and i can't go anymore (maybe work on legs twice a week instead of one) but I'm fixing up my diet to 2500 calories per day for 6 days. People on the forum say im too young but people i speak to in real life about it say 21 is a good age. Really don't know what to believe. I'll probably end up doing what i want to do and suffer the consequences. And going to add clomid as pct if i end up doing it.

Look I'm not going to twist your are one way or the other about cycling.

Your an adult and can make your own decisions, even if they are poor decisions.

Do yourself a huge favor and create a thread in the diet section with your stats.

Whether you cycle or not your diet needs improvement.

Try lifting naturally for 3-4 more months with an improved diet and I'm sure you'll see the effects.

Plus in that time you can stick around the forum and learn how to cycle more safely because the cycle in your OP is lacking in a few places.

[Cupid]

Hey man, I completely feel you....and I know that after you have thought long and hard about this and decided to move forward with a cycle....the last thing you want to hear is advice from people telling you to wait.
I know the feeling, and how easily the impatience can take over.

I did my first cycle about half a year ago, I had just turned 24.
A bunch of my friends my age had already cycled a couple times....and they were doing Test & Tren in high dosages....they weren't using HCG, they weren't on top of their PCT, they really didn't know much about what they were doing....and surprisingly they had no major side effects....and all of them were Ok after their cycles.
I did just one basic Test only cycle....with HCG, with PCT....everything by the book. Guess what? My natural production hasn't come back. I am 24, semi-successfull entrepreneur, in great shape, and NO real desire to fuck. It really sucks. Plus a whole slew of other mental and physical issues it comes with.......I am still hopeful and trying to fix it, but its very likely that I may just need to go on hormone replacement for the rest of my life.
Also.....let me tell you, I have had MORE RESULTS in this time that I have been off cycle than from my cycle itself......simply because I got my workout/diet really dialed in. I am slowly starting to catch up to my friends who have cycled a couple times without issue....just purely based on working harder and more efficient than them, all of this WHILE having low Testosterone levels.

Again, I know its the last thing you want to hear.....but if I were you, knowing what I know now, I would wait. Give it another 2-3 years....put on another 8-15 lbs naturally, learn your body....learn to work around and adapt your regimen to your life situation (i.e. not having much time to eat is a situation you need to find a solution to, you can't just say that "oh well, I can't." The steroids will only boost a regimen that is already very efficient).

Maybe you will do your cycle and have great results with no side effects and your natural production will bounce back.
Or maybe not. From what I have gathered so far.....the younger you are....the more you are going to lean towards the maybe not.

Again, I would take it back if I could. But hindsight is 20/20.

Also, if nothing that anybody will say is going to make you change your mind....AT LEAST go get your labs done first and post them up here before jumping in. LH, FSH, Test, Total & Test, Free.

[Mr.BB]

Hey man, I completely feel you....and I know that after you have thought long and hard about this and decided to move forward with a cycle....the last thing you want to hear is advice from people telling you to wait.
I know the feeling, and how easily the impatience can take over.

I did my first cycle about half a year ago, I had just turned 24.
A bunch of my friends my age had already cycled a couple times....and they were doing Test & Tren in high dosages....they weren't using HCG, they weren't on top of their PCT, they really didn't know much about what they were doing....and surprisingly they had no major side effects....and all of them were Ok after their cycles.
I did just one basic Test only cycle....with HCG, with PCT....everything by the book. Guess what? My natural production hasn't come back. I am 24, semi-successfull entrepreneur, in great shape, and NO real desire to fuck. It really sucks. Plus a whole slew of other mental and physical issues it comes with.......I am still hopeful and trying to fix it, but its very likely that I may just need to go on hormone replacement for the rest of my life.
Also.....let me tell you, I have had MORE RESULTS in this time that I have been off cycle than from my cycle itself......simply because I got my workout/diet really dialed in. I am slowly starting to catch up to my friends who have cycled a couple times without issue....just purely based on working harder and more efficient than them, all of this WHILE having low Testosterone levels.

Again, I know its the last thing you want to hear.....but if I were you, knowing what I know now, I would wait. Give it another 2-3 years....put on another 8-15 lbs naturally, learn your body....learn to work around and adapt your regimen to your life situation (i.e. not having much time to eat is a situation you need to find a solution to, you can't just say that "oh well, I can't." The steroids will only boost a regimen that is already very efficient).

Maybe you will do your cycle and have great results with no side effects and your natural production will bounce back.
Or maybe not. From what I have gathered so far.....the younger you are....the more you are going to lean towards the maybe not.

Again, I would take it back if I could. But hindsight is 20/20.

Also, if nothing that anybody will say is going to make you change your mind....AT LEAST go get your labs done first and post them up here before jumping in. LH, FSH, Test, Total & Test, Free.

Have you told your friends that you lost libido?

[Cupid]

Have you told your friends that you lost libido?

Yea, 2 of my close friends know about whats going on....the others no. It's not something I particularly want to advertise.
But even the ones that know....they just went on cycle again lol, they still feel like they are invincible to it.
It is what it is....

[Mr.BB]

Yea, 2 of my close friends know about whats going on....the others no. It's not something I particularly want to advertise.
But even the ones that know....they just went on cycle again lol, they still feel like they are invincible to it.
It is what it is....

Next time dont say anything. Do the same as they do, or they might look at you the wrong way.

[Juced_porkchop]

Blaze it's obvious that you're putting in the work. That said, I'd strongly consider waiting another couple years. Regardless, read this to the letter:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

And welcome to the forum.

agreed^^

[Cupid]

Next time dont say anything. Do the same as they do, or they might look at you the wrong way.

I can't figure out if your sarcasm here is pointed at me or at my friends.

[blazezoom]

12am (steak, mashed potato, with beans) or (large bowl of pasta)
6pm (protein shake)
7pm (steak, pasta, lamb chops) - Varies everyday
10pm Protein shake

U eat a good lunch then u dont eat in 6 hours. Then u eat protein which most likely would be used a s energy.
am is after midnigth, rigth?..(:-))..so u dont sleep.
Put in meat and pasta at 3 pm and maybe its all it takes to increase your size.

And try to exchange proteindrinks with the real deal. All the pros do it...why?...everybody should think about this. Growing is hard but the pros do it but they also manage to put in time to cook.

I know its a pain in the ass but if u wanted real bad eating real food is so so much better than the damned easy cheap good tasting proteinskakes.

I finish work at 3:30 on the dot and i have to make the train by 3:38 lol hence why there is a big gap...

[blazezoom]

Hey man, I completely feel you....and I know that after you have thought long and hard about this and decided to move forward with a cycle....the last thing you want to hear is advice from people telling you to wait.
I know the feeling, and how easily the impatience can take over.

I did my first cycle about half a year ago, I had just turned 24.
A bunch of my friends my age had already cycled a couple times....and they were doing Test & Tren in high dosages....they weren't using HCG, they weren't on top of their PCT, they really didn't know much about what they were doing....and surprisingly they had no major side effects....and all of them were Ok after their cycles.
I did just one basic Test only cycle....with HCG, with PCT....everything by the book. Guess what? My natural production hasn't come back. I am 24, semi-successfull entrepreneur, in great shape, and NO real desire to fuck. It really sucks. Plus a whole slew of other mental and physical issues it comes with.......I am still hopeful and trying to fix it, but its very likely that I may just need to go on hormone replacement for the rest of my life.
Also.....let me tell you, I have had MORE RESULTS in this time that I have been off cycle than from my cycle itself......simply because I got my workout/diet really dialed in. I am slowly starting to catch up to my friends who have cycled a couple times without issue....just purely based on working harder and more efficient than them, all of this WHILE having low Testosterone levels.

Again, I know its the last thing you want to hear.....but if I were you, knowing what I know now, I would wait. Give it another 2-3 years....put on another 8-15 lbs naturally, learn your body....learn to work around and adapt your regimen to your life situation (i.e. not having much time to eat is a situation you need to find a solution to, you can't just say that "oh well, I can't." The steroids will only boost a regimen that is already very efficient).

Maybe you will do your cycle and have great results with no side effects and your natural production will bounce back.
Or maybe not. From what I have gathered so far.....the younger you are....the more you are going to lean towards the maybe not.

Again, I would take it back if I could. But hindsight is 20/20.

Also, if nothing that anybody will say is going to make you change your mind....AT LEAST go get your labs done first and post them up here before jumping in. LH, FSH, Test, Total & Test, Free.

dayum i feel you bro !! I really have nothing to say back to you tbh man but i hope it all goes well. let me know how it goes. and yeah ill be getting blood work done this week,

[hammerheart]

I can't figure out if your sarcasm here is pointed at me or at my friends.

He was not being sarcastic, it's usually best not to tell anyone unless they are very close and intimate friends.

[blazezoom]

Hey man, I completely feel you....and I know that after you have thought long and hard about this and decided to move forward with a cycle....the last thing you want to hear is advice from people telling you to wait.
I know the feeling, and how easily the impatience can take over.

I did my first cycle about half a year ago, I had just turned 24.
A bunch of my friends my age had already cycled a couple times....and they were doing Test & Tren in high dosages....they weren't using HCG, they weren't on top of their PCT, they really didn't know much about what they were doing....and surprisingly they had no major side effects....and all of them were Ok after their cycles.
I did just one basic Test only cycle....with HCG, with PCT....everything by the book. Guess what? My natural production hasn't come back. I am 24, semi-successfull entrepreneur, in great shape, and NO real desire to fuck. It really sucks. Plus a whole slew of other mental and physical issues it comes with.......I am still hopeful and trying to fix it, but its very likely that I may just need to go on hormone replacement for the rest of my life.
Also.....let me tell you, I have had MORE RESULTS in this time that I have been off cycle than from my cycle itself......simply because I got my workout/diet really dialed in. I am slowly starting to catch up to my friends who have cycled a couple times without issue....just purely based on working harder and more efficient than them, all of this WHILE having low Testosterone levels.

Again, I know its the last thing you want to hear.....but if I were you, knowing what I know now, I would wait. Give it another 2-3 years....put on another 8-15 lbs naturally, learn your body....learn to work around and adapt your regimen to your life situation (i.e. not having much time to eat is a situation you need to find a solution to, you can't just say that "oh well, I can't." The steroids will only boost a regimen that is already very efficient).

Maybe you will do your cycle and have great results with no side effects and your natural production will bounce back.
Or maybe not. From what I have gathered so far.....the younger you are....the more you are going to lean towards the maybe not.

Again, I would take it back if I could. But hindsight is 20/20.

Also, if nothing that anybody will say is going to make you change your mind....AT LEAST go get your labs done first and post them up here before jumping in. LH, FSH, Test, Total & Test, Free.

quick question.. what did you run for your PCT?

[Mr.BB]

I can't figure out if your sarcasm here is pointed at me or at my friends.

No sarcasm. Just my opinion, unless really close friends disclosing side effects might not be beneficial. Heck, even disclosing taking gear can bite your ass.

[tarmyg]

quick question.. what did you run for your PCT?

As kelkel said above, follow this down to the letter and you will minimize your chances of a problem. If you do not have all things on hand do not start the cycle as you might not be able to get it later.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[blazezoom]

As kelkel said above, follow this down to the letter and you will minimize your chances of a problem. If you do not have all things on hand do not start the cycle as you might not be able to get it later.

yeah thanks buddy i've got clomid, arimidex doing 0.5g (doing during cycle), and nova
although i'm still considering it im leaning towards not doing it. its a big thing man, when i go to the gym i wanna do it but when i jump on google and research i dont want to ehhh

[Cupid]

yeah thanks buddy i've got clomid, arimidex doing 0.5g (doing during cycle), and nova
although i'm still considering it im leaning towards not doing it. its a big thing man, when i go to the gym i wanna do it but when i jump on google and research i dont want to ehhh

PCT I ran
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Also ran HCG 500iu per week while on cycle.

I'm telling you man, everything by the book, sometimes shit happens anyways....the ONLY thing I didn't do which I now regret is not having full labs done prior to starting....if I did, I would now be able to make a better assessment of the predicament I am in. Not knowing what my baseline numbers were makes it very difficult to figure out how much I have deviated from natural levels right now.