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    Really need help with my very first cycle

    Hi everyone, i'm Matthew and i definitely need help planning my first cycle. I have read almost every sticky post here and on other sites but i'm from Italy and it's very difficult for me to understand everything. I did my best bu i think it's not enough and that's why i'm here I'm 24, 6" and 183lbs at 13%bf and i train since i was 18. My goal for my first cycle is to gain lean muscles while lowering my bf. My FINAL goal would be something near 194lbs at 7/8%bf.

    For my first cycle i was thinking about using Sustanon250 for 10 weeks. I'll use Arimidex as AI during the cycle and Nolvadex as pct 2 weeks after last injection for 3 weeks. That's my plan at the moment:

    Week 1-10: Sustanon250 2shots/week (500mg/week)
    Week 1-10: Arimidex .5mg EOD

    Week 13-16: Nolvadex 40/20/20 ED


    For my pct i chose to use just Nolvadex and no Clomid 'cause i'm a little scared about his related sight problems.
    What do you think about this? Are protections enough? Is this a good first cycle? Is there something that i need to add to stay "safer"?


    In addiction to this i was thinking about stacking up something with susta for my first cycle. Do you think is a good idea?.
    I was thinking about Tren -A to go with susta, since i really like what i've read about it. And so my plan would be:

    Week 1-10: Sustanon250 2shots/week (500mg/week)
    Week 1-10: Tren-A 2shots/week (200mg/week)
    Week 1-10: Arimidex .5mg EOD
    Week 1-10: Caber .5mg 2times/week
    Week 1-10: Advanced Cycle Support (for liver protection)

    Week 13-16: Nolvadex 40/20/20 ED


    Is this better than the cycle above? Are protections enough considering the presence of tren? Or is it better to stay with sustanon and nothing more?

    A friend of mine said that it would be better if i can stack Boldenone with Susta more than Tren. I don't really know a lot about Boldenone but i've read that you must use it for at least 12 weeks and i think it's too much as a first cycle. What do you think? Am i right or not?

    That's my situation and these are my doubts. I really hope you can help with all my questions since it's very hard for me to find the correct information over all this sites, in a language different than mine and that usually is a technical language.

    Thank you for all your answers


    PS: I think this is important for you to know. I have hypoplasia at my right kidney, and it means that it is smaller than normal and less working. I really don't have problems since i eat everythng (also a lot of protein) and never had problems. I also do blood works and medical visits for this problem but never had anything out of place even if it's 5 years now that i eat a lot of protein in my diet. I think it's because my left kidney is bigger than normal and more powerfull so i think they just compensate.

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    Just follow this: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

    Dont use sust, its has slow esters, not advisable on 1st cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Dont use sust, its has slow esters, not advisable on 1st cycle.

    I alredy read the guide but i have some doubts. FOr istance in the guide he said to use HCG but it is dfficult for me to find here and i've read that it can screw up your LH if you use it too much or for too long. Also in the guide he said that it's better to use longer esters for beginners. And then he recommend Clomid that i prefer to avoid for the reasons i explained in my first post

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    Before we get started lets get some stats Ht Wt age bf% years lifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    Before we get started lets get some stats Ht Wt age bf% years lifting.
    It's all in the first post

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    It's all in the first post
    If you ignore the given advice you will probably end up like one of the guys in the thread below.

    ***Cycles going wrong for the young***

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    I don't want to ignore the advice, i'm just telling you my doubts and my thoughts (for instance the sight problems with clomid). I'm here to learn and to understand better. However thank you for the link, i'll read a lot of those threads

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    Noob follow the Successful First Cycle thread like BB said. It's helped literally thousands of people, you are no different.
    Take your clomid at bedtime and sleep through the sides.
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    Keep it simple for a first cycle. BB is on point. Single ester test with proper PCT. Do you know for sure that you get side effects from the clomid?

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    Ok i hot it but there are some problems. I cannot get HCG first of all, nobody sells it here. Also Clomid is difficult to get, but i think i can get it. But why a single ester is better than a mix? To keep it as simple as possible? Are there any differences if i use susta instead of enanth? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder
    Ok i hot it but there are some problems. I cannot get HCG first of all, nobody sells it here. Also Clomid is difficult to get, but i think i can get it. But why a single ester is better than a mix? To keep it as simple as possible? Are there any differences if i use susta instead of enanth? Thanks
    IMO you should have everything including PCT prior to starting any cycle. Sust has multiple esthers. The longer esthers take longer to get out of your system. When we talk about short and long esthers, we are really talking about the 1/2 life. The shorter the esther, the quicker recovery but the more frequent injectuons. 1/2 life of sust is about 15 days, test enth is about 10.5 days, and test prop approx 3 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    It's all in the first post
    Sorry missed that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    IMO you should have everything including PCT prior to starting any cycle. Sust has multiple esthers. The longer esthers take longer to get out of your system. When we talk about short and long esthers, we are really talking about the 1/2 life. The shorter the esther, the quicker recovery but the more frequent injectuons. 1/2 life of sust is about 15 days, test enth is about 10.5 days, and test prop approx 3 days.
    Ok so i need EVERYTHING written in the guide? And i can use sust but i have to keep in mind his 1/2 life, right?


    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    Sorry missed that!
    np

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    just keep it simple man...since you have no experience it is best to run a single long ester test like test e or c so you only have to pin 2x per week...you can use sust in the same manner as its mostly long esters although some will preach that you have to inject eod...through personal experience with doing it both ways you wont be able to tell the difference imho....you have no idea how you are going to like injecting so again keep it simple one compound (test) first cycle...also use clomid with nolva on you pct especially if you are not using hcg take it at night like kel advised...good luck...

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    Ok so according to the guide my first cycle should be like this, right?

    Fisr Cycle:
    Week 1-12: Test-e (500mg/week, 2 shots)
    Week 1-12: HCG (500UI/week, 2shots)
    Week 1-12: NAC (600mg/day)
    Week 1-14: Arimidex (.5mg EOD)

    Week 15-18: Nolvadex (40/20/20/20)
    Week 15-18: Clomid (75/50/50/50)

    -Raloxifene: if gyno appears (60mg daily until gone)


    12 weeks are ok as first cycle or it's better just 10?


    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    also use clomid with nolva on you pct especially if you are not using hcg take it at night like kel advised...good luck...
    Ok so HCG is not strictly necessary if i use clomid and nolva in my pct?

    PS: I am thinking (just tell me if i'm wrong) that with all this protection i can stack something with test. I know that you said "keep it simple" but i don't have a lot of money and the majority of the money involved in this cycle are on protections, and i will not be able to do a 2nd cycle with all this money involved for a long time. That's why i am thinking to stack something: to get decent results to maintin until i'll have the money for a 2nd cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    Ok i hot it but there are some problems. I cannot get HCG first of all, nobody sells it here. Also Clomid is difficult to get, but i think i can get it. But why a single ester is better than a mix? To keep it as simple as possible? Are there any differences if i use susta instead of enanth? Thanks
    Main difference is that with sust you start PCT 21 days after last pin, and enanthate you just need to wait 14. Also Sust will usually have more pip (post injection pain) which for a first cycle can be a problem cause you dont know if its normal virgin muscles pain or an infection. Enanthate will give you a less hassle cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Main difference is that with sust you start PCT 21 days after last pin, and enanthate you just need to wait 14. Also Sust will usually have more pip (post injection pain) which for a first cycle can be a problem cause you dont know if its normal virgin muscles pain or an infection. Enanthate will give you a less hassle cycle.
    Ok got it. Thank you Can you give a look at my post above and let me know what you think about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    Ok so according to the guide my first cycle should be like this, right?

    Fisr Cycle:
    Week 1-12: Test-e (500mg/week, 2 shots)
    Week 1-12: HCG (500UI/week, 2shots)
    Week 1-12: NAC (600mg/day)
    Week 1-14: Arimidex (.5mg EOD)

    Week 15-18: Nolvadex (40/20/20/20)
    Week 15-18: Clomid (75/50/50/50)

    -Raloxifene: if gyno appears (60mg daily until gone)


    12 weeks are ok as first cycle or it's better just 10?




    Ok so HCG is not strictly necessary if i use clomid and nolva in my pct?

    PS: I am thinking (just tell me if i'm wrong) that with all this protection i can stack something with test. I know that you said "keep it simple" but i don't have a lot of money and the majority of the money involved in this cycle are on protections, and i will not be able to do a 2nd cycle with all this money involved for a long time. That's why i am thinking to stack something: to get decent results to maintin until i'll have the money for a 2nd cycle.
    I swear we are beating a dead horse here...you have been advised, do as you please but let us know how you make out...do a log so others can see how this turns out good or bad so everyone can learn...

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    one more thing if money is an issue then what about food for the cycle and after to maintain, that costs money as well...it seems all you are focusing on is the drugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I swear we are beating a dead horse here...you have been advised, do as you please but let us know how you make out...do a log so others can see how this turns out good or bad so everyone can learn...
    Are you talking about the cycle or the PS? This is the cycle suggested in the guide linked to me

    Food is not a problem, i live with my parents so food it's not on me

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    I'm talking about your wanting to add another compound to your cycle just because...

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    Honestly i think it's a very light cycle, at the bottom of the guide it is said that 5lbs of muscle are the best goal for this cycle and it is honestly less than i was expecting for a 18 weeks cycle

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    Here is my tips also.

    For sure drop tren , first cycle, one aas. Dealbreaker if not.

    U will do good without HCG . Its mostly esthetic. Better with but without is also ok.

    Nolvadex ok, better with clomid. Depends what u want. If this is a summershow only and u dont care what happens after the party, its not that important. Healtwize it does nothing for u. But the muscles will fade away slower with clomid. Also may help on feeling shit with low test. But Clomid may also make u feel like shit.

    Sus is ok, i do really like it. I dont see why it cant be used the first time. Start pct 14 days after, same as test e.
    Some guys in here think u always can pic whatever u want. Easy access to everything. Very wrong and sus is ok.

    U can "add" more to stay healthy. Too much test causes waterretention. Then u need to make sure this will not happen when u cycle. Work on the salt/potassium ratio, drink a gallion of water.
    Its also bad for cholestrol so a cholestrolfriendly lifestyle is important.

    Extra test converts to DHT in prostate and this is anabolic but it also makes your prostate grow. Consider cialis and herbs from the dwarftree. Some reports actually show those herbs may help on the prostate.
    The SARM rad140 may also help on the prostate when doing test and it may make test more efficient. But as u are a newbi the guys will be all over my ass when suggesting this to a newbi, so maybe u should drop rad, Pretty costly also.

    Follow this and u will do good, nothing to be afraid of. But a prebloodwork with BP test is even safer to rule out any precycle conditions.
    As in, u dont wanna do this if your bloodpressure is already 150/90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    Honestly i think it's a very light cycle, at the bottom of the guide it is said that 5lbs of muscle are the best goal for this cycle and it is honestly less than i was expecting for a 18 weeks cycle
    you have no experience just what you have read, from which to draw your conclusion...seems your the expert bro good luck...

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    I have read in other forums that you can add Dbol for the first 4 weeks of a cycle with just test, is it a good idea or not? And what will happen if i don't get the HCG ? I've also read that HCG can cause gyno if taken during the cycle, and then it was said that it would be better to use HCGenerate 5cps/day instead of HCG, what do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    I have read in other forums that you can add Dbol for the first 4 weeks of a cycle with just test, is it a good idea or not? And what will happen if i don't get the HCG? I've also read that HCG can cause gyno if taken during the cycle, and then it was said that it would be better to use HCGenerate 5cps/day instead of HCG, what do you think?
    Imo there are two reasons you should not take dbol during your format cycle. The first is that using dbol right now is overkill. You don't need it to make huge gains. The second is that dbol turns into estrogen at a high amount. One of your main goals during this first blast is to find out how to properly control your estrogen through using an AI and having blood work. Dbol can make this more difficult especially for a novice.

    Hcg is not difficult to find is you spend 15 minutes looking around on the internet. Hcg is a very inexpensive insurance policy that insures your testicles never completely stop producing test. If there is one organ that I would think you'd be worried about it's proper function I would thin it worth be your testicals.

    Also, hcg does more than just keep your testicals working. Hcg mimics lh with is a crucial hormone used in the production of other hormones.

    If you control your estrogen by using an AI and having mid cycle blood work then estrogen induced gyno should never be an issue.

    Hcgenerate is garbage.

    It's literally modern day snake oil and will do nothing to help testicular function or keep hormonal pathways flowing.

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    Ok so, i need NOT to add Dbol so i can see in the mid-cycle bloodwork if the AI that i'm taking is enough and working well?

    I'll find some HCG , it's just better to have it. Last question about HCG: I've read that using HCG too much/too long can cause a stop in the production of natural LH, is that a bullshit or can it happen? And what can i do to avoid this situation?

    Thanks

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    HCG mimics LH production which stops when running a steroid cycle. Run it according to the Successful First Cycle thread instructs you to do and you'll be just fine. Your choice is to either mimic LH production during cycle with HCG or to let them go without and hope for the best. Personally, I'd be concerned about my testicals. I can't imagine letting any other body part atrophy and not function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    Ok so, i need NOT to add Dbol so i can see in the mid-cycle bloodwork if the AI that i'm taking is enough and working well?

    I'll find some HCG , it's just better to have it. Last question about HCG: I've read that using HCG too much/too long can cause a stop in the production of natural LH, is that a bullshit or can it happen? And what can i do to avoid this situation?

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    Save that addition of an oral for your third cycle.

    Pre, mid, and post cycle blood work are all important in understanding what's happening inside your body.

    The only way to properly dose an AI is mid cycle labs.

    There are two ways leydig cells can become desensitized. The fist is a long period(s) without lh/hcg stimulation. The second is over stimulation from very large amounts of lh/hcg.

    There is no need to worry about over stimulation when taking 250IU of hcg twice a week.

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    In the guide it's written 500UI/week so i'll take it this way Ok guys thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobBuilder View Post
    In the guide it's written 500UI/week so i'll take it this way
    When you devide 500/week by 2 you get 250 twice a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    When you devide 500/week by 2 you get 250 twice a week.
    Yes, i'll do 2 shots a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    When you devide 500/week by 2 you get 250 twice a week.

    I checked your math on my calculator. Nailed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I checked your math on my calculator. Nailed it.
    Really need help with my very first cycle-math-jokes.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere
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    Should haved known with your name and photo.

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