DECA only cycle?!?

[Red Bastard]

This is blowing up, right now, on some Facebook steroid pages.
Taeian Clark, a nutritionist, coach, and surgeon. Is advocating high DECA (up to 2g/week)
with optional dbol . 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off. People are claiming some amazing results. High libido, zero prolactin issues. Fast recovery. No "deca dick". High dose Taurine "pct". Blood tests backing up recovery.
This obviously flies in the face, of what many of us believe. But, how much of our standard "test based cycle" protocols, are just parroting bro science?

I'm a "don't knock it, till ya try it" kinda guy...

(Plenty of experience, under my belt. I've used most compounds.)

Thoughts?

[EDCG19]

2 gs of deca without decadick/prolactin issues?. Man..then your DAguru knows his shit.

The deca only cycle is becoming very popular these days, I don't know if it is legit but there are guys claiming over 650mg deca, 300mg tren , and they run no AI, no need for caber, they aren't worried about estrogen and are claiming there are no sides from running this cycle over 8 weeks.. I don't know if it is legit, but sounds like its becoming a popular cycle/fad...

[songdog]

Yeah we had a guy on here who ran tren only and was messed up for over a year.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The deca wouldn't be out of your system in 4 weeks so recovery wouldn't occur.

[eslim]

I personally know several people who have done this with no felt sides and great gains. I say felt because i know they are not doing bloodwork. I like to stay on the side of caution. We have one body. You mess it up thats all we got. I'd rather play it safe and smart as much as possible.

[Red Bastard]

Well. I have run 500 deca 500 tren only without DA and cried watching movies and felt like shit. After the 4 th week. And scared the hell out of my gf.

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No test?
What motivated you, to try this?

[Red Bastard]

The deca wouldn't be out of your system in 4 weeks so recovery wouldn't occur.

Everyone, who's commenting negatively, on his posts, and the posts from guys who are saying that they've been doing this, for multiple cycles, have been saying this.
But, he is a physician, and surgeon, and is posting links to multiple studies, that seem to refute this.
I know that it sounds crazy, but, there have been some pretty convincing arguments presented.

Just a few days ago, I would have been laughing, at such a notion. But, I gotta say, I'm starting to doubt the standard protocol.

I like it when someone bucks the trend, and shakes things up. Gets people out of ruts.

He really has nothing to gain, nor do people who are following this, by lying.

Apparently some top pro's, from the 70's, did just this...

[Red Bastard]

Not long ago, everyone would freak out, if someone mentioned running Deca , and Tren , together, in a cycle. Spouting all sorts of bro science.
Now, this seems pretty normal, if done properly.

Just goes to show...

[songdog]

Yeah I heard of guys running Deca only but that was many yrs ago they did that.

[MuscleScience]

So I have extensive experience with Deca only and Tren only cycles. I had a lot of trouble with test and AI's out of the blue. So I started doing just one compound, I read many many study's on the compounds. I never had any issues doing these cycles for years and years. Then suddenly I had horrible prolactin issues on my last one. Pulled some blood work and my E2 was none existent. I never went over 400mg deca or 300mg Tren. In my opinion 2g of deca is about 1600mg to much and is just asking for trouble. I never have trouble with recover and most times I don't even run a PCT. of course I am pulling blood work if anything ever changes I will go back to the more standard PCT protocol. I don't advocate this type of cycling though. I think you need to run At least HRT levels of T. It just so happens with my particular situation with side effects and such, running T even in lower dosages caused sides to be pretty unbearable even with ancillaries.

[MuscleScience]

Not long ago, everyone would freak out, if someone mentioned running Deca , and Tren , together, in a cycle. Spouting all sorts of bro science.
Now, this seems pretty normal, if done properly.

Just goes to show...

Chemically speaking, it's pretty inefficient to run both deca and Tren together. And really there is no good argument to do so if you understand the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of how the two compounds effect the AR receptor.

[Obs]

Interesting, I am definitely switching to trt dosages and running tren or npp next. I dont know that I would dare try it without test.

[hammerheart]

So I have extensive experience with Deca only and Tren only cycles. I had a lot of trouble with test and AI's out of the blue. So I started doing just one compound, I read many many study's on the compounds. I never had any issues doing these cycles for years and years. Then suddenly I had horrible prolactin issues on my last one. Pulled some blood work and my E2 was none existent. I never went over 400mg deca or 300mg Tren. In my opinion 2g of deca is about 1600mg to much and is just asking for trouble. I never have trouble with recover and most times I don't even run a PCT. of course I am pulling blood work if anything ever changes I will go back to the more standard PCT protocol. I don't advocate this type of cycling though. I think you need to run At least HRT levels of T. It just so happens with my particular situation with side effects and such, running T even in lower dosages caused sides to be pretty unbearable even with ancillaries.

I tried dialing TRT down to 50mg weekly with Tren , felt better physically but not moodwise, horrible irritability and libido was better at first but tanked one week later. Dick felt like dying.

[hammerheart]

I dont know that I would dare try it without test.

Plainly don't, unless your a woman lol

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Everyone, who's commenting negatively, on his posts, and the posts from guys who are saying that they've been doing this, for multiple cycles, have been saying this.
But, he is a physician, and surgeon, and is posting links to multiple studies, that seem to refute this.
I know that it sounds crazy, but, there have been some pretty convincing arguments presented.

Just a few days ago, I would have been laughing, at such a notion. But, I gotta say, I'm starting to doubt the standard protocol.

I like it when someone bucks the trend, and shakes things up. Gets people out of ruts.

He really has nothing to gain, nor do people who are following this, by lying.

Apparently some top pro's, from the 70's, did just this...

My two cents...
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[hammerheart]

BTW, there is one special reason to avoid deca only cycles, its name being 5α-dihydronandrolone (DHN).

This is the 5-AR reduced form of nandrolone , ie. just like DHT is the 5-alpha reduced form of Test.

DHN has the peculiarity of having very low affinity for the AR (androgen receptor) and very low androgenic potency.

There are specific tissues in the body that for some reason only respond to structural DHTs and these comprise the scalp, prostate, hair follicles, etc.

What happens when there is almost no TEST circulating together with DECA is DHN will bind to receptors of specific, 5-AR dependent tissues despite poor affinity, because nandrolone itself (like TREN ) doesn't seem to interact at all with those sites.

Rembember that DHN has very low androgenic potency. Now, considering the fact those specific sites might also includes anatomic parts such as the penis, and key brain areas involved in libido and male functioning - unless your somewhat gifted, deca dick and sexual dysfunction are a concern.

Just a TRT dose of TEST will prevent that though.

[kelkel]

Dick felt like dying.

Quote of the week right there.

[Obs]

Often, I believe, sexual sides are caused by simple mental changes. That is, one guy can run a deca only cycle and have zero sexual sides even though he has high prolactin. While others try it and the prolactin goes up and they immediately experience sexual side effects.
Aside from the obvious cause of the sexual sides associated with 19 nors diring low testosteeone levels, I believe an individuals thought processes affect this moreso than the prolactin. I stress, the thought processes are not in the users control.

When I was 18 I could get an erection at any time just with thought and if it was vivid enough I could do my thing in about 20 seconds.
The anorgasmia I experienced wouldn't have phased me 13 years ago prolactin or not.

Nowadays though, its gotta be smacked around by someone to get up and if my prolactin is elevated, it may take ten minutes and fall flat halfway though.

Yes, some people can run deca only cycles without issue and be just fine. Some people can also do things that would leave me functionless.
Yoga for example or swallowin swords....
No!

Its not bro science you get here at all. Its simply the safest way on average to use AAS.

If everyone did deca only cycles many many many would have terrible sides. Others would be just fine and say "No, I did it and I am just fine."
Bro science comes from^^^ that last line.

[Red Bastard]

My two cents...
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

True that.
But, this can also apply to the responses here, eh?

This guy is a physician. He's not selling anything. There's no magic extras necessary. He's willing to share this info, and give people advice.

Yes, some people lie, just for the phuck of it, but he, and his proponents, certainly have very compelling arguments.

One claim, that's being made, by multiple people, is that, on 1g+ of Deca , adding even a minimal trt dose, will give significant sides. But, with nandrolone alone, there is no prolactin sides. Almost no rise in estrogen. So, acne. No prostate problems. No hair loss. High libido. No water gain.
Lots of guys posting impressive 6 week transformations.

[geezuschrist]

Heres a vid for you all
https://youtu.be/fcmetbnPf2c

Dosing
https://youtu.be/BC7_SY7Q9Vs

[Sh0tsf1red]

Interesting, I am definitely switching to trt dosages and running tren or npp next. I dont know that I would dare try it without test.

TRT dose and tren for the win!

[kelkel]

True that.
But, this can also apply to the responses here, eh?

This guy is a physician. He's not selling anything. There's no magic extras necessary. He's willing to share this info, and give people advice.

Yes, some people lie, just for the phuck of it, but he, and his proponents, certainly have very compelling arguments.

One claim, that's being made, by multiple people, is that, on 1g+ of Deca , adding even a minimal trt dose, will give significant sides. But, with nandrolone alone, there is no prolactin sides. Almost no rise in estrogen. So, acne. No prostate problems. No hair loss. High libido. No water gain.
Lots of guys posting impressive 6 week transformations.

Ton's of docs out there that don't know their way around hormones. Just wait until it's time for TRT and you'll experience it first hand. To me, what he's espousing is simply reckless and unnecessary.

[tbjake34]

How could u run deca alone and not get deca dick? This is a troll ppl

[Mooseman33]

i look at a vial of deca and my little guy runs and hides.

no thank you on that.

[NACH3]

Remember just an FYI - deca (Nandrolone ) DOES aromatize... Tho it's 20% the Rate of test it dies and will create a lot of estrogen sides especially at 2g!!!

Plus no AI will more tha likely have your PRL following high E2 which will cause progestin sides - just my .02 and common sense really

[MuscleScience]

Remember just an FYI - deca (Nandrolone ) DOES aromatize... Tho it's 20% the Rate of test it dies and will create a lot of estrogen sides especially at 2g!!!

Plus no AI will more tha likely have your PRL following high E2 which will cause progestin sides - just my .02 and common sense really

In lower dosages it crashes your E2. That's where I had a lot of problems.

[hammerheart]

In lower dosages it crashes your E2. That's where I had a lot of problems.

Interesting. How much low?

[MuscleScience]

Interesting. How much low?

300-400mg

[Cuz]

Anyone telling you to use 2g of anything androgenic /anabolic is a godamn idiot, dr or no dr. It's actually pretty fucking scary to me hearing about some dr advising a compound like deca in extremely high doses over social media where plenty of teens listen to this bullshit and end up ruining their lives. Just my .02

[MuscleScience]

Anyone telling you to use 2g of anything androgenic/anabolic is a godamn idiot, dr or no dr. It's actually pretty fucking scary to me hearing about some dr advising a compound like deca in extremely high doses over social media where plenty of teens listen to this bullshit and end up ruining their lives. Just my .02

+2..

[Obs]

How could u run deca alone and not get deca dick? This is a troll ppl

Red isn't a troll. There are a lot of people who do it. Some don't get deca dick others do.

[CALLMEOCT]

There's alot (ALOT) of bodybuilders on my gym running deca only cycles before competitions/shows.

[Cuz]

There's alot (ALOT) of bodybuilders on my gym running deca only cycles before competitions/shows.

How do you know? Are you with them 24/7?

[EDCG19]

Interesting take on deca only cycle, also these guys are running insane doses so take it with a grain of salt..

[kelkel]

Morons.

[hammerheart]

What are they eating lol, that's homer simpson tier of nutrition

[Red Bastard]

How could u run deca alone and not get deca dick? This is a troll ppl

Does my post count, and join date, look like a troll, FFS?!

[Red Bastard]

Red isn't a troll. There are a lot of people who do it. Some don't get deca dick others do.

Thank you!

[Red Bastard]

Taeian Clark is more than just a surgeon.
He has a huge following of bodybuilders, in his "Camel Crew", who are doing just this, and verifying his results.
Apparently, for most people, it's only the presence of Testosterone along with Deca , that causes the sides, such as "deca dick".

He quotes multiple studies, that show that nandrolone will replace all of the functions of testosterone.
Just enough aromatization to supply a bit of estrogen.

He doesn't tell people to start at 2 grams. 900mg/week, is standard, along with dbol or anavar .


Everyone parrots Llewelyn, as gospel. But, before he changed the "game", many top pros ran deca dbol cycles.
Robbie Robinson
Danny Padilla
Mike Mentzer
Tim Belknap
John Lyod (Bostin's father)

[kelkel]

Red I did some searching on this guy. Are you sure about him? A lot of the on-line info reads like he's some type of charlatan or similar. Where did this guy get his medical degree? Where does he practice? Where are you getting the info that the old top pro's ran deca only cycles? Sorry for all the questions but I'm having trouble buying into this guy.