AIs Needed?

**ThatAsianDude** · 08-03-2017, 01:24 AM

I've got a couple of questions regarding AIs (Arimidex /Aromasin ) since I've been reading a lot of stuff here, but I've also been hearing a lot of stuff from the trainers at my gym, they're contradicting and I don't know what to believe anymore.

So they're saying AIs are not needed if you're using gear that does not aromatize. They're also saying AIs will only make your gains slower if you're using it together with gear while on a cycle. They took a step further and said, I only need to use an AI if I see symptoms of gyno, otherwise, don't use it because that's it's only function and it's very expensive as well. They told me it's better suited for PCT if I really want to use it, but then they also said that I can use Clomid and Nolvadex instead since they're much cheaper. Lastly, they told me to use HCG on the last 4 weeks of the cycle (while still injecting gear) before starting PCT.

I've read things here that contradict almost everything they said, but they do have experience on gear too. They join competitions and stuff so I don't know what to believe now. Can someone knowledgeable explain more on AIs and why I need it? I already know that one of it's major uses is gyno prevention and I'm not prone to gyno. Don't paste a sticky, I've read everything and it only makes me more confused. I want to hear your personal experiences and opinions TIA.

**MuscleScience** · 08-03-2017, 02:58 AM

Using an AI is cheap insurance against gyno. Using one will only deminish weight gain from excessive water weight due to high estrogen levels. Lastly by the time you would notice any symptoms of gyno or otherwise you are already 2 weeks behind on combating them and will suffer until the AI knocks down the excessive estrogen and the body stops reacting to its high levels.

**ThatAsianDude** · 08-03-2017, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Using an AI is cheap insurance against gyno. Using one will only deminish weight gain from excessive water weight due to high estrogen levels. Lastly by the time you would notice any symptoms of gyno or otherwise you are already 2 weeks behind on combating them and will suffer until the AI knocks down the excessive estrogen and the body stops reacting to its high levels.

Thanks for the info bro. So you're saying it's not true that I'll make my gains (muscle) slower by using an AI while on cycle? But what would make my estrogen levels high in the first place? Like say for example if I only use gears that don't aromatize: Test Prop (low dose), Anavar , Winstrol , Tren Ace etc.?

Also, if ever I decide to buy AIs, which one is better? Arimidex or Aromasin ? TIA.

**songdog** · 08-03-2017, 05:23 AM

Well as like most trainers we hear about here their advice is wrong a AI will not hinder your gains but could help stop cancer which high E2 can cause.We get this often here beacuse a lot of people are really uneducated about cycling.Stay away from those guys you would be better off bro.

**Sh0tsf1red** · 08-03-2017, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

Well as like most trainers we hear about here their advice is wrong a AI will not hinder your gains but could help stop cancer which high E2 can cause.We get this often here beacuse a lot of people are really uneducated about cycling.Stay away from those guys you would be better off bro.

I understand and agree with this for the most part, but what if regular blood tests don't show the need for it?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 08-03-2017, 06:59 AM

IMHO....
If bloodwork shows E2 in the normal range or even slightly above...
then no AI is needed.

However I will say that 200mg of prop a week probably requires a small amount of AI.

I think the reason think AIs inhibit gains come from the fact that estrogen makes you hold water so....
using an AI results in lower estrogen...
lower estrogen results in less water retention...
less water retention results in less weight gain...
less weight gain is seen as less gains on cycle.

I don't think using an AI results in less muscle gain.

**MuscleScience** · 08-03-2017, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

IMHO....
If bloodwork shows E2 in the normal range or even slightly above...
then no AI is needed.

However I will say that 200mg of prop a week probably requires a small amount of AI.

I think the reason think AIs inhibit gains come from the fact that estrogen makes you hold water so....
using an AI results in lower estrogen...
lower estrogen results in less water retention...
less water retention results in less weight gain...
less weight gain is seen as less gains on cycle.

I don't think using an AI results in less muscle gain.

This...

**kelkel** · 08-03-2017, 10:35 AM

Just because someone calls themselves a trainer does not mean they have the prerequisite knowledge for safe AAS use. These guys obviously do not. Use an AI on cycle (assuming supraphysiological doses being used) unless you want the estrogen levels of a female. High estrogen levels have many deleterious internal side effect beyond gyno. When it comes to HCG I'll say this: Is there any other body part you'd be willing to let whither away? I doubt it. The use of HCG maintains testicular function and helps with other downstream hormone production as well as making restarting easier.

Clomid and Nolva are for pct. They are not AI's and do not serve the same purpose. They will do nothing to prevent the rise of estrogen levels.

Your friends are in serious need of some self-education.

**ThatAsianDude** · 08-03-2017, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Just because someone calls themselves a trainer does not mean they have the prerequisite knowledge for safe AAS use. These guys obviously do not. Use an AI on cycle (assuming supraphysiological doses being used) unless you want the estrogen levels of a female. High estrogen levels have many deleterious internal side effect beyond gyno. When it comes to HCG I'll say this: Is there any other body part you'd be willing to let whither away? I doubt it. The use of HCG maintains testicular function and helps with other downstream hormone production as well as making restarting easier.

Clomid and Nolva are for pct. They are not AI's and do not serve the same purpose. They will do nothing to prevent the rise of estrogen levels.

Your friends are in serious need of some self-education.

Good info bro, thanks. By the way, HCG on the last 4 weeks of the cycle (while still injecting) is this a good practice? I've read some guys in this forum doing this as well, I'd prefer this over injecting HCG all throughout the cycle if this is ok.

Also, based on your opinion which one is better, Arimidex or Aromasin ?

**ThatAsianDude** · 08-03-2017, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

IMHO....
If bloodwork shows E2 in the normal range or even slightly above...
then no AI is needed.

However I will say that 200mg of prop a week probably requires a small amount of AI.

I think the reason think AIs inhibit gains come from the fact that estrogen makes you hold water so....
using an AI results in lower estrogen...
lower estrogen results in less water retention...
less water retention results in less weight gain...
less weight gain is seen as less gains on cycle.

I don't think using an AI results in less muscle gain.

Makes sense. Which one do you use personally, Arimidex or Aromasin ? Why? Also HCG last 4 weeks of the cycle while injecting - good?

**kelkel** · 08-04-2017, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by ThatAsianDude

Good info bro, thanks. By the way, HCG on the last 4 weeks of the cycle (while still injecting) is this a good practice? I've read some guys in this forum doing this as well, I'd prefer this over injecting HCG all throughout the cycle if this is ok.

Also, based on your opinion which one is better, Arimidex or Aromasin?

HCG the last 4 weeks is better than no HCG. Just now where near as good as throughout the cycle. Take care of your nuts. There's no reason to shut them down when you don't have to. Just inject it on the same days as your test either in the same pin or just use an slin pin.

I prefer adex.