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    Adding mast to cruise?

    27 been blasting and cruising for 3.5 years. Finished a 12 week test e npp cycle. Was gonna add mast in at the end but had some shedding last time i used it at 400mg me.
    I'm now starting 200 test cruise dose, but thinking of adding in the mast for a summer cruise. 150 test e with 100 mast p.
    What's you guys opinions on this? Anyone run this before here how did you feel sides? Will I still get the hair shedding at that low of dose.

    Either think of just running test during cruise. Running cruise dose of test until June then add the mast or just cruise on mast and test starting now till the summer. Just wanna hear you guys thoughts, experiences

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    Finasteride or dutasteride will help stop shedding. It actually reversed it for me, my hair got thicker with fina, even on cycle. We are however just delaying the inevitable.

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    Luckily I have no hair - I have heard many guys stay away from mast due to hair loss being a side effect

    Not much else to make it better from what I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octaneforce View Post
    Finasteride or dutasteride will help stop shedding. It actually reversed it for me, my hair got thicker with fina, even on cycle. We are however just delaying the inevitable.
    fina won't help with mast, as it is not bring converted to dht in the body, it already is dht. nothing for fina to stop.

    fina has a host of terrible sides that just are not worth it. imho. your mileage may vary. but as said. dht compounds won't be affected by fina

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    Any opinions of adding it to a cruise? And health concerns at that low of a dose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    fina won't help with mast, as it is not bring converted to dht in the body, it already is dht. nothing for fina to stop.

    fina has a host of terrible sides that just are not worth it. imho. your mileage may vary. but as said. dht compounds won't be affected by fina

    On point. I'm on Fina due to prostate issues and I've had zero sides from it. That said, I'd never consider it unless it's absolutely necessary.
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    All I hear lately is issues - followed by more issues


    I have ran mast for months on in - alongside tren , or just it with test


    Does work - yup


    Sides - well, run it & wait n' see

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    On point. I'm on Fina due to prostate issues and I've had zero sides from it. That said, I'd never consider it unless it's absolutely necessary.
    hey Kel,
    cialis works for prostate issues, correct? is it the BPH that fina helps, or is it some other issue?

    they got my father on fina (he's been on,it since propecia first came out) and last year went through serious thyroid shit . graves disease, ocular pressure decompression surgery, and then ultimately removed thyroid. I keep telling him to get off the fins, get tested for low t and go from there.

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    Yes, it's approved by the FDA for BPH, LUTS and ED. It really should be step one for guys before they jump on a Type 1 or 2 blocker. Fina can directly shrink the prostate and make a big difference. Fina blocks 70% of T ro DHT whereas Duta goes up to 90%.

    If your dad goes off the Fina he should know his hormone, dht and psa levels ahead of time. When I went off Fina for a few months just to see if I could my psa shot up to 7.0 on a scale that stops at 4. That sold me on it. Also know that when Fina is implemented T levels normally rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    27 been blasting and cruising for 3.5 years. Finished a 12 week test e npp cycle. Was gonna add mast in at the end but had some shedding last time i used it at 400mg me.
    I'm now starting 200 test cruise dose, but thinking of adding in the mast for a summer cruise. 150 test e with 100 mast p.
    What's you guys opinions on this? Anyone run this before here how did you feel sides? Will I still get the hair shedding at that low of dose.

    Either think of just running test during cruise. Running cruise dose of test until June then add the mast or just cruise on mast and test starting now till the summer. Just wanna hear you guys thoughts, experiences
    I'm one of the lucky ones in regards to male pattern baldness as I have run Mast at 100mg/ ed without any hair loss. That's one thing I can thank my maternal grandfather for, even though I've met him twice in my life lol, is the fact that he had a full head of hear when he died.

    The gene for male pattern baldness comes from your mother's father (maternal grandfather) if he has male pattern baldness then his grandchild will as well.

    To answer your question, though, I personally don't think it will effect you at that low of a dose. Keep in mind that Testosterone itself will cause hair loss because of its high rate of conversion to DHT which, of course, is what's responsible for that side effect to begin with.

    I've heard people say that certain sides are NOT dose dependent, and I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it makes sense to me that the more of something we take the more of the sides we would experience. So I think it IS dose dependent and at lower doses I'd imagine you will experience less, if any, of that particular side effect.

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    How big of a difference will I notice from 200 mg test to a split 100 test 100 mast. I'm talking mood, libido, sides, body comp, ect.

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    I'm a fan of running Masteron on pretty much any cycle you ever do , especially if your running 19 nors like deca , npp, tren , ment, because of Masterons strong affinity for SHBG it will make your cycle much more effective and free up more free test, and its an antagonist to both prolactin and estrogen receptors (meaning it will limit negative side effects that come from 19 nor use)
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    Yea loved it when I blasted it a few cycles ago. Just wondering if it's worth it at 100mg pw during cruise

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    you can still 'cruise' and be on 400mg of mast

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    Haha i hear ya. Starting a new career this week that's gonna be taxing on my body so trying to give my body somewhat of a break, but still want a little edge

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    Want to decide to cruise with test and mast or just test by tonight so any opinions are welcomed!

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    Don't waste it IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Don't waste it IMO
    Waste it how? With cruise dose? Or by not using it. I usually always run 12 weeks test 750 npp 450 then switch last 8 weeks to mast at 150 eod. But didn't want to run all that with new job

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    you can still 'cruise' and be on 400mg of mast
    If i would add mast to my 500mg test e cycle which for 12 weeks , for how long could i run mast and what dosage since it also affects beneficially free test, it also lowers estrogen and inhibits prolactin, should i always keep it on my stack? or for beginning just 500mg test

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    Oh yeah, at those doses - well, it's a bit of a waste - but


    I'd say mast needs to b at least 300mg a week or so



    I ran this shit into the gram a week range, yup u can def feel it then
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    agree with samson. 200mg is not enough even for a cruise. you'll get a little bit of lower SHBG with that, but not near high enough to get an anaoblic and muscle hardening effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    agree with samson. 200mg is not enough even for a cruise. you'll get a little bit of lower SHBG with that, but not near high enough to get an anaoblic and muscle hardening effect.
    Thanks I hear guys saying how great they feel/look on something like 200 test 100 mast. You guys think better sticking with the 200 test

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    I'm at 600 mast e (up,from 400) and 300 test e (down from 500) and I feel better at 600 Mast & 300 test than I did at 400 mast & 500 test.
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    i personally think guys are better off running the bare minimum test they can get by with and having a second anaboic compound in there, rather then a higher dose of test

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    Is the hairline on mast dose dependant anyone know? Say 400 mg cause more less than 100 of prone to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Is the hairline on mast dose dependant anyone know? Say 400 mg cause more less than 100 of prone to it?
    its not the mast thats the issues. its that mast has a strong affinity to SHBG, and will gobble that up thus allowing there to be a lot more free testosterone available to be converted into DHT . so its the test converting to dht thats the issue.
    just look into a DHT blocker or lower your test dosage, not the mast dosage

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    its not the mast thats the issues. its that mast has a strong affinity to SHBG, and will gobble that up thus allowing there to be a lot more free testosterone available to be converted into DHT . so its the test converting to dht thats the issue.
    just look into a DHT blocker or lower your test dosage, not the mast dosage
    Gotchya so if I do cruise with it at 200 test 100 mast should be a lot less than when I was runngin 750 test and 450 mast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Gotchya so if I do cruise with it at 200 test 100 mast should be a lot less than when I was runngin 750 test and 450 mast
    whats your size brother ? really i'm thinking a bare minimum cruise is like 150mg test and 300mg mast, depends on how big you are to a degree and what your trying to maintain

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    whats your size brother ? really i'm thinking a bare minimum cruise is like 150mg test and 300mg mast, depends on how big you are to a degree and what your trying to maintain
    5'10 235 about 11 to 12 percent body fat. Just feel like at those dose I might as well be blasting ya know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    5'10 235 about 11 to 12 percent body fat. Just feel like at those dose I might as well be blasting ya know
    450mg total of gear is far from blasting brother , especially at your size. my last blast was 2000mg of Test per week, 500 tren , 600 mast, 350 npp, 500 deca . and 50mg tren base and 30mg dbol pre workout.. i'm not recommending that at all , just stating a blast is a BLAST. and running 500mg or less of gear is not really blasting

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    I thought he wanted to cruise with test and mast.
    I was about to add 200 of Mast E to my trt which is 200 Cyp and 100 deca /week right now.
    Was wondering as wel if 200 Mast a week is enough for its bennies

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthFlex View Post
    I thought he wanted to cruise with test and mast.
    I was about to add 200 of Mast E to my trt which is 200 Cyp and 100 deca /week right now.
    Was wondering as wel if 200 Mast a week is enough for its bennies
    Yea that was my plan brotha. Heard guys benefiting it from just 100 mg a week. Wanted to see what the thoughts were here but seems like 200 is the sweet spot

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    So deciding to cruise on 200 test 100 mast p for now. Might bump it up to 200 a piece once I see how I feel. So I'm coming off a 750 test e cycle and 450 npp. Can I just jump right into 200 test and 100 mast ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    So deciding to cruise on 200 test 100 mast p for now. Might bump it up to 200 a piece once I see how I feel. So I'm coming off a 750 test e cycle and 450 npp. Can I just jump right into 200 test and 100 mast ?
    You can do whatever you want, but the purpose of cruising is to let your body and organs stabilize in normal levels to avoid health problems.

    Drostanolone is one of harshest compounds on blood lipids and RBC production. Even on small doses it will significantly drop your hdl, and increase your hematocrit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    You can do whatever you want, but the purpose of cruising is to let your body and organs stabilize in normal levels to avoid health problems.

    Drostanolone is one of harshest compounds on blood lipids and RBC production. Even on small doses it will significantly drop your hdl, and increase your hematocrit.
    Agreed this is an important point. Lipids actually are important and if we neglect them we end up hardening our arteries and having to face serious health problems which may never have even been an issue in your lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    i personally think guys are better off running the bare minimum test they can get by with and having a second anaboic compound in there, rather then a higher dose of test
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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Agreed this is an important point. Lipids actually are important and if we neglect them we end up hardening our arteries and having to face serious health problems which may never have even been an issue in your lifetime.
    Only if the lipids are causing systemic inflammation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Only if the lipids are causing systemic inflammation.
    Your own opinion, or you have further information?

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