Question about Deca

[Vinnie214]

I'm about to start my 2nd cycle consisting of

test E - 400mg a week
deca - 240mg a week
dbol - 40mg/day for 4 weeks

this whole cycle will be 12 weeks, but i've read a few posts about how it is recommended to stop deca 2 weeks before you stop test E, for example, deca 1-10, and test 1-12. I wasn't planning on doing this, but I wanna ask why it should be stopped early since im not 100% sure why? Is it because deca has a longer ester than test enanthate? If it is REALLY important that I do, then I will stop it at 10, I just didn't want any deca left over in the vial to go to waste hehe

Thanks in advance.

[Quester]

That seems like a lot for an 18 yr. old. Please read the thread "the young and steroids."

[Quester]

Deca is a longer ester, it is stopped early so it isn't in the system during PCT. This may not be important to you however.

[charger69]

That seems like a lot for an 18 yr. old. Please read the thread "the young and steroids."

X2
Your system is not fully matured and is still growing. Adding AAS at this stage can confuse your body and cause irreversible damage. It is like playing Russian roulette.
It is not worth it IMHO


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[Vinnie214]

That seems like a lot for an 18 yr. old. Please read the thread "the young and steroids."

I am aware of that, and I have read that thread and all the others, go read my first thread. It seems on this forum if you are U25, you just get roasted for asking a question. That's my choice if i want to run gear at 18, here I am fully informed and educating myself to do everything properly so clearly it is important to me, that's why i made this thread asking. "That mat not be important to you however" you think every 18 year old is a dumb shit who thinks they are invincible? I'm aware of my risk bud, I would not have made this thread if i didn't care about the question I'm asking. But thank you for answering, I shall stop deca at week 10 then. Sorry for the rant but I always get the same replies, you're too young. I've already started, and I'm not stopping, so just answer my questions please

If you have any other suggestions for this cycle then I'm listening, I'm not like every other 18 year old, I will actually listen, because I know you guys are older and much, much more experienced than I am. Is the dosage for deca too much? should I lower it? if so, how much should I lower it? talk to me, and forget my age for a second.

Thank you.

[Vinnie214]

X2
Your system is not fully matured and is still growing. Adding AAS at this stage can confuse your body and cause irreversible damage. It is like playing Russian roulette.
It is not worth it IMHO


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I appreciate your concern, but as I said above, I am fully aware and have judged it to be very worth it in my situation.

[dcycles]

I appreciate your concern, but as I said above, I am fully aware and have judged it to be very worth it in my situation.

I understand where your at bud I just hope by doing so you realize that you are possibly making a choice to be on AAS the rest of your life.. serious decision for an 18 yo.. not trying to roast you I get it man just hope you really understand

[charger69]

I appreciate your concern, but as I said above, I am fully aware and have judged it to be very worth it in my situation.

All I request is that you read the material and understand it. I have yet to see any material as thorough and comprehensive.
Being informed and aware, I can respect your decision. I do not agree, but I can respect it.


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[Vinnie214]

That is my intention, bodybuilding has always been a strong and serious passion for me, It's all i do at this point. I don't have many friends, I don't go out and party, not your average 18 y/o. Friday nights in the gym, love it.

[Vinnie214]

I understand where your at bud I just hope by doing so you realize that you are possibly making a choice to be on AAS the rest of your life.. serious decision for an 18 yo.. not trying to roast you I get it man just hope you really understand

That is my intention, bodybuilding has always been a strong and serious passion for me, It's all i do at this point. I don't have many friends, I don't go out and party, not your average 18 y/o. Friday nights in the gym, love it.

[charger69]

I'm about to start my 2nd cycle consisting of

test E - 400mg a week
deca - 240mg a week
dbol - 40mg/day for 4 weeks

this whole cycle will be 12 weeks, but i've read a few posts about how it is recommended to stop deca 2 weeks before you stop test E, for example, deca 1-10, and test 1-12. I wasn't planning on doing this, but I wanna ask why it should be stopped early since im not 100% sure why? Is it because deca has a longer ester than test enanthate? If it is REALLY important that I do, then I will stop it at 10, I just didn't want any deca left over in the vial to go to waste hehe

Thanks in advance.

To answer your question...you are correct. The optimal PcTdoes not have any chemicals in your body to jump start it back to natural. Production.


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[Vinnie214]

To answer your question...you are correct. The optimal PcTdoes not have any chemicals in your body to jump start it back to natural. Production.


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thank you, will end deca at 10 and start PCT at 14, 2 weeks after last shot of test. Deca shuts you down hard so I need this PCT to be perfectly executed.

[kelkel]

Or just run your test for 14 and stop deca at 12.
Assume you're running HCG and an AI? Caber on hand?
Deca at 240 mgs is really just a medicinal dosage, to be honest.

[charger69]

thank you, will end deca at 10 and start PCT at 14, 2 weeks after last shot of test. Deca shuts you down hard so I need this PCT to be perfectly executed.

I am going against my normal mode. Please tell me that you read and understood the sticky.......
I would run deca 12 weeks. 10 is a minimum IMHO however I believe the extra 2 weeks will give you more bang for the buck.


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[Quester]

I am aware of that, and I have read that thread and all the others, go read my first thread. It seems on this forum if you are U25, you just get roasted for asking a question. That's my choice if i want to run gear at 18, here I am fully informed and educating myself to do everything properly so clearly it is important to me, that's why i made this thread asking. "That mat not be important to you however" you think every 18 year old is a dumb shit who thinks they are invincible? I'm aware of my risk bud, I would not have made this thread if i didn't care about the question I'm asking. But thank you for answering, I shall stop deca at week 10 then. Sorry for the rant but I always get the same replies, you're too young. I've already started, and I'm not stopping, so just answer my questions please

If you have any other suggestions for this cycle then I'm listening, I'm not like every other 18 year old, I will actually listen, because I know you guys are older and much, much more experienced than I am. Is the dosage for deca too much? should I lower it? if so, how much should I lower it? talk to me, and forget my age for a second.

Thank you.

-Yes, I do think that every eighteen year old is a dumbshit that is going to wreck themselves. At eighteen, one is but a few days or months away from not being recognized as having the ability to make their own decisions.
-However, I did not roast you, the question was answered. Roasting makes it harder to give the information to enable someone to make the best, most informed decision possible.
-Going forward, if you have more questions, you will continue to receive the best information available. In doing so, one would be negligent not to advise, on every thread, that anyone under the age of 25 should not be doing steroids. I will do that, not because you are a bunch of dumb shits but because I care and it is part of enabling you, and the others, with the best advice. So, please ask any questions to which you need answers. You will receive those answers. It is the only means by which to help give you the best chance.

[charger69]

I am going against my normal mode. Please tell me that you read and understood the sticky.......
I would run deca 12 weeks. 10 is a minimum IMHO however I believe the extra 2 weeks will give you more bang for the buck.


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Sorry, I saw Kelkel answered already.


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[charger69]

-Yes, I do think that every eighteen year old is a dumbshit that is going to wreck themselves. At eighteen, one is but a few days or months away from not being recognized as having the ability to make their own decisions.
-However, I did not roast you, the question was answered. Roasting makes it harder to give the information to enable someone to make the best, most informed decision possible.
-Going forward, if you have more questions, you will continue to receive the best information available. In doing so, one would be negligent not to advise, on every thread, that anyone under the age of 25 should not be doing steroids. I will do that, not because you are a bunch of dumb shits but because I care and it is part of enabling you, and the others, with the best advice. So, please ask any questions to which you need answers. You will receive those answers. It is the only means by which to help give you the best chance.

Yes. Be expected that we will always mention your age. Most likely, if you put an attitude, we shut up and leave you alone without answering your question because at that point you stop listening and we really care about you guys. Most young guys confuse that with us being assholes rather than caring. we’ll sometimes we are. LOL


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[hammerheart]

I appreciate your concern, but as I said above, I am fully aware and have judged it to be very worth it in my situation.

Sure mate go ahead but remind one thing and that is, we can never appreciate what we got until we lose it

[Northernpumps]

“Judged it to be very worth it in your situation “ so what I Take from that is you’re a pussy with confidence issues and steroids are the solve all !??? Sure do it but for God’s sakes do a real dose of deca !!! 400mg / week is a good weak starting number ... but for a kid with your mentality I’d say ditch it all and just eat handfuls of dBol all day every day and eat like shit , you’ll Achieve the naive child gains you’re looking for to get some chicks and impress all the kids who bully you

[Elvishk]

I'm about to start my 2nd cycle consisting of

test E - 400mg a week
deca - 240mg a week
dbol - 40mg/day for 4 weeks

this whole cycle will be 12 weeks, but i've read a few posts about how it is recommended to stop deca 2 weeks before you stop test E, for example, deca 1-10, and test 1-12. I wasn't planning on doing this, but I wanna ask why it should be stopped early since im not 100% sure why? Is it because deca has a longer ester than test enanthate? If it is REALLY important that I do, then I will stop it at 10, I just didn't want any deca left over in the vial to go to waste hehe

Thanks in advance.

my previous cycle
Test - 1000 mg x 12 w
Deca - 600 mg x 12 w
Dbol - 40 mg x 7 x 4 w

HGH - 10 iu (w Insulin cycle), 8 iu (5 on 2 off)
Insulin - 20-30 iu x 7 x 4 w

The above cycle helped me pump my weight from 150 lbs to near 190 lbs, but my height is 160cm.

[cousinmuscles]

I am aware of that, and I have read that thread and all the others, go read my first thread. It seems on this forum if you are U25, you just get roasted for asking a question. That's my choice if i want to run gear at 18, here I am fully informed and educating myself to do everything properly so clearly it is important to me, that's why i made this thread asking. "That mat not be important to you however" you think every 18 year old is a dumb shit who thinks they are invincible? I'm aware of my risk bud, I would not have made this thread if i didn't care about the question I'm asking. But thank you for answering, I shall stop deca at week 10 then. Sorry for the rant but I always get the same replies, you're too young. I've already started, and I'm not stopping, so just answer my questions please

If you have any other suggestions for this cycle then I'm listening, I'm not like every other 18 year old, I will actually listen, because I know you guys are older and much, much more experienced than I am. Is the dosage for deca too much? should I lower it? if so, how much should I lower it? talk to me, and forget my age for a second.

Thank you.

You are asking others to take your perspective in consideration but why don't you do it yourself? Some of these things can take a long time to research (although the basic answers to your questions are easy for you to find too), why would anyone else do that for you knowing that their "help" will harm you, and having to live with being that guy, like if they're some gym dealer trying to make $20 off of you.

Some questions for you

What blood work do you have to do for this cycle

What ancillaries are needed

How long does nandrolone decanoate stay in your system

How does nandrolone decanoate impact your HPTA?

[charger69]

my previous cycle
Test - 1000 mg x 12 w
Deca - 600 mg x 12 w
Dbol - 40 mg x 7 x 4 w

HGH - 10 iu (w Insulin cycle), 8 iu (5 on 2 off)
Insulin - 20-30 iu x 7 x 4 w

The above cycle helped me pump my weight from 150 lbs to near 190 lbs, but my height is 160cm.

With all due respect, you are giving this to a newbie? 1g of test is what you recommend for him?
Slin? The guy is impresionable. I am not trying to pick a fight but I felt that this was out of line and the dangers that lurk with it of not knowing.


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[cousinmuscles]

With all due respect, you are giving this to a newbie? 1g of test is what you recommend for him?
Slin? The guy is impresionable. I am not trying to pick a fight but I felt that this was out of line and the dangers that lurk with it of not knowing.


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Elvis is an old troll, he doesn't want to gain muscle, he just wants to make his big sexy gut grow. A proper GH gut. He gained 40lbs pure gut mass.

[Elvishk]

With all due respect, you are giving this to a newbie? 1g of test is what you recommend for him?
Slin? The guy is impresionable. I am not trying to pick a fight but I felt that this was out of line and the dangers that lurk with it of not knowing.


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I didn’t tell him to follow mine! I just shared my previous cycle only! THIS CYCLE IS NOT FOR BEGINNER!!


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[Vinnie214]

Or just run your test for 14 and stop deca at 12.
Assume you're running HCG and an AI? Caber on hand?
Deca at 240 mgs is really just a medicinal dosage, to be honest.

HCG, no, since it is not compulsory and I can't really afford it along with all the other stuff, and I am running adex ofc.
If 240mg is too low, even for an 18 year old beginner, then what dose do you recommend? If i up the deca, I would have to up the test too, no? 400mg deca = 700-800mg test = Overkill IMO.

[Vinnie214]

You are asking others to take your perspective in consideration but why don't you do it yourself? Some of these things can take a long time to research (although the basic answers to your questions are easy for you to find too), why would anyone else do that for you knowing that their "help" will harm you, and having to live with being that guy, like if they're some gym dealer trying to make $20 off of you.

Some questions for you

What blood work do you have to do for this cycle

What ancillaries are needed

How long does nandrolone decanoate stay in your system

How does nandrolone decanoate impact your HPTA?

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

[charger69]

I didn’t tell him to follow mine! I just shared my previous cycle only! THIS CYCLE IS NOT FOR BEGINNER!!


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Ok, understood, but please be cognizant that you laid something out there. Some newbies will take any information and run with it without knowing.
Thank you!


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[Couchlockd]

my previous cycle
Test - 1000 mg x 12 w
Deca - 600 mg x 12 w
Dbol - 40 mg x 7 x 4 w

HGH - 10 iu (w Insulin cycle), 8 iu (5 on 2 off)
Insulin - 20-30 iu x 7 x 4 w

The above cycle helped me pump my weight from 150 lbs to near 190 lbs, but my height is 160cm.

hey now, were the strong Asian typing accent gone?

[charger69]

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

Ok. You have accomplished some research however I will mention that I see a red flag. You do not need hCG and you do not need PCT however I would never recommend not using either. If you do not have enough money to accomplish the PCT or HCG then you should not be cycling. Don’t forget the NAC either.
Sorry for being blunt but if your going to do it, do it right or don’t do it.
I would also add Nolva with the clomid.
The sticky goes into detail about the HCG.


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[Vinnie214]

Ok. You have accomplished some research however I will mention that I see a red flag. You do not need hCG and you do not need PCT however I would never recommend not using either. If you do not have enough money to accomplish the PCT or HCG then you should not be cycling. Don’t forget the NAC either.
Sorry for being blunt but if your going to do it, do it right or don’t do it.
I would also add Nolva with the clomid.
The sticky goes into detail about the HCG.


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Oh yes tamoxifen is the same nolva, it will be a part of my PCT I have 2 boxes of each already, PCT is important, but I don't think HCG is. I haven't done too much research on HCG but there is some stigma about whether it is meant to be used as part of a PCT or during the cycle, and I have no problem with shrunken testicles, I think I'll be better off not using it at all, didn't use it for my first cycle and I recovered smoothly with 0 issues, and the only side effects I got were anger and acne on my traps/shoulders, and some accelerated hair loss (genetic).

Nothing estrogenic like gyno and bloating, 0.5 armidex EOD done the trick.

[cousinmuscles]

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

Would have been good to know your blood status to see for hemoglobin/hematocrit, if it's high then you can get issues due to running a triple stacked cycle... You'll need to check your blood pressure too.

FSH is not estrogen! Did you do a blood test last cycle to check if your AI dose/test dose puts you in a good level?

No cabergoline?

No liver support like NAC?

Why not both clomid and nolva for PCT? They work synergistically. Cutting yourself short for $50?

4 weeks after PCT is not enough it takes longer, more like 6 weeks until your brain is no longer stimulated by the SERMs to see if you have recovered. Did you do bloods before to see if your test levels are dropping? If next cycle is one step from TRT?

Deca does not clear for over a year. The small amount left in you hinders recovery and makes it more difficult to restart. Deca is not in the stickies because it's a step beyond a beginner cycle and you should put the effort in researching more.

Making the cheapest possible cycle is stupid when you are risking your health. Do you know what your stack will do to your blood counts, your lipids, your liver? Are orals bad for your gut too?

If you don't have much money, do you have enough for a proper diet? Food costs more even when you buy cheap and in bulk.

No HCG was a poor choice.

[Vinnie214]

Would have been good to know your blood status to see for hemoglobin/hematocrit, if it's high then you can get issues due to running a triple stacked cycle... You'll need to check your blood pressure too.

FSH is not estrogen! Did you do a blood test last cycle to check if your AI dose/test dose puts you in a good level?

No cabergoline?

No liver support like NAC?

Why not both clomid and nolva for PCT? They work synergistically. Cutting yourself short for $50?

4 weeks after PCT is not enough it takes longer, more like 6 weeks until your brain is no longer stimulated by the SERMs to see if you have recovered. Did you do bloods before to see if your test levels are dropping? If next cycle is one step from TRT?

Deca does not clear for over a year. The small amount left in you hinders recovery and makes it more difficult to restart. Deca is not in the stickies because it's a step beyond a beginner cycle and you should put the effort in researching more.

Making the cheapest possible cycle is stupid when you are risking your health. Do you know what your stack will do to your blood counts, your lipids, your liver? Are orals bad for your gut too?

If you don't have much money, do you have enough for a proper diet? Food costs more even when you buy cheap and in bulk.

No HCG was a poor choice.

Unfortunately, it's not up to me what gets tested in my blood and when exactly I can get the tests, healthcare in the UK is very much different than the US. If you want the exact number of my T level, it was 776 ng/dL, which is the higher end of normal range for my age, I highly doubt it reduced from before the first cycle. As for PCT, you guys have misunderstood. I am indeed using both clomid and tamoxifen(nolva) for PCT but I have spare NOLVA incase I need it during the cycle. I know Dbol is liver toxic, hence why I run it for only 4 weeks instead of 6/8, and I make sure i drink PLENTY of water. Food costs aren't an issue, I'm 18, I live with my parents. I honestly don't think It's a huge deal if i don't run HCG, something I may implement for the future but not for now. I'm starting to think triple stacking is a bit of a rush, might stick with test and dbol for a while, I'll see how I react to deca. Thanks for your post

[cousinmuscles]

Oh yes tamoxifen is the same nolva, it will be a part of my PCT I have 2 boxes of each already, PCT is important, but I don't think HCG is. I haven't done too much research on HCG but there is some stigma about whether it is meant to be used as part of a PCT or during the cycle, and I have no problem with shrunken testicles, I think I'll be better off not using it at all, didn't use it for my first cycle and I recovered smoothly with 0 issues, and the only side effects I got were anger and acne on my traps/shoulders, and some accelerated hair loss (genetic).

Nothing estrogenic like gyno and bloating, 0.5 armidex EOD done the trick.

Gyno and bloating are the obvious signs but with that dose you shouldn't have issues.

You'll have to research why HCG is used and why not in PCT and make educated decision not uneducated but economical decisions. All in all looks like a horrible plan and I bet you can get better results naturally although through effort and proper diet.

[cousinmuscles]

Unfortunately, it's not up to me what gets tested in my blood and when exactly I can get the tests, healthcare in the UK is very much different than the US. If you want the exact number of my T level, it was 776 ng/dL, which is the higher end of normal range for my age, I highly doubt it reduced from before the first cycle. As for PCT, you guys have misunderstood. I am indeed using both clomid and tamoxifen(nolva) for PCT but I have spare NOLVA incase I need it during the cycle. I know Dbol is liver toxic, hence why I run it for only 4 weeks instead of 6/8, and I make sure i drink PLENTY of water. Food costs aren't an issue, I'm 18, I live with my parents. I honestly don't think It's a huge deal if i don't run HCG, something I may implement for the future but not for now. I'm starting to think triple stacking is a bit of a rush, might stick with test and dbol for a while, I'll see how I react to deca. Thanks for your post

You said you had them both but only planned to use clomid. You won't avoid dbol sides just because you only run it for 4 weeks.

You answered some questions but avoided other.

What are your stats? Lifts? Training experience? Any proof of the stats too?

[kelkel]

HCG, no, since it is not compulsory and I can't really afford it along with all the other stuff, and I am running adex ofc.
If 240mg is too low, even for an 18 year old beginner, then what dose do you recommend? If i up the deca, I would have to up the test too, no? 400mg deca = 700-800mg test = Overkill IMO.

Not compulsory? Neither is running test, deca and dbol. That said, if you don't care about functioning testicals and potential fertility, that's on you.
As stated, 240 mgs is more of a medicinal dose. No, there's no need to up your test. You can run the same amounts of both. That's old school dogma that one has to be higher than the other.

[Capebuffalo]

I know you have your mind made up but please read some of these.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...%2A%2A%2A.html

[Vinnie214]

Not sure how to prove it, Can't even post links since I'm new to the forum.

I'm 5'8 and weigh around 165lbs as of now. I've started training when I was 14 by just doing push-ups and pullups at home, until I was allowed to join a gym when I turned 15. That's 4 years of training under my belt which is probably still not enough experience, but I feel I am mature enough and ready.

I'm upping the deca to 1cc a week. (300mg)

[Vinnie214]

I know you have your mind made up but please read some of these.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...%2A%2A%2A.html

I will be sure to have a read, thank you

[Back In Black]

How can you not afford HCG. It will cost you £50 for the duration of your cycle.

If you can’t afford that how are you going to afford food?

[Vinnie214]

How can you not afford HCG. It will cost you £50 for the duration of your cycle.

If you can’t afford that how are you going to afford food?

Sigh. I'm 18, my parents provide for me food-wise. As for HCG, my source doesn't even stock the bloody thing anyway! I've run a cycle without it just fine with no issues at all. I've done some research on it and have learned it is not absolutely necessary to use HCG, it's only if you really have a problem with shrunken testicles on-cycle, which I don't, because I know they will return to regular size after proper PCT and recovery time.