Blood Work Thoughts!

**Eduke93** · 08-09-2018, 11:38 AM

Hi guys,

Let me know your thoughts, have been having some shitty symptoms... see link below.

Prolactin rock bottomed? Could be causing the fatigue/weakness maybe? Or RBC?

Test is high currently dialing in TRT on 200mg test p/w atm.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7400782

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**cousinmuscles** · 08-09-2018, 03:27 PM

Hey eduke, what's up man!

Your TRT dose is far too high. It will make your hematocrit/RBC creep up over time. You also did a heavy cycle which probably got your blood thick quickly. 200mg test is two times what a man produces in their late teens/early 20s, you'll always run into issues trying to be superman with twice as much test than what your body was made for, year round. Not only does it thicken the blood over time to unnatural levels, what's worse is after a cycle it will never find homeostasis as testosterone induces erythropoiesis (increase in RBC/hematocrit = thicker blood) DOSE DEPENDENTLY. What kind of homeostasis do you get with two times as much test your body is made for? A crappy one where you either risk blood clots or run to donate blood all the time.

Normally doctors pull you off of TRT for a while when hematocrit passes 52-53% I think it was. 55%. High hematocrit symptoms are weakness, lethargy et.c. Mate just drop the dose down to 100mg so your body can for once be normal. If your doctor didn't know this they're dumb, can't even learn their own profession, though they're the majority lol.

Most important of all go donate blood, you're in the danger zone. Drink lots of water. You are at a higher risk of getting a blood clot.

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by cousinmuscles

Hey eduke, what's up man!

Your TRT dose is far too high. It will make your hematocrit/RBC creep up over time. You also did a heavy cycle which probably got your blood thick quickly. 200mg test is two times what a man produces in their late teens/early 20s, you'll always run into issues trying to be superman with twice as much test than what your body was made for, year round. Not only does it thicken the blood over time to unnatural levels, what's worse is after a cycle it will never find homeostasis as testosterone induces erythropoiesis (increase in RBC/hematocrit = thicker blood) DOSE DEPENDENTLY. What kind of homeostasis do you get with two times as much test your body is made for? A crappy one where you either risk blood clots or run to donate blood all the time.

Normally doctors pull you off of TRT for a while when hematocrit passes 52-53% I think it was. 55%. High hematocrit symptoms are weakness, lethargy et.c. Mate just drop the dose down to 100mg so your body can for once be normal. If your doctor didn't know this they're dumb, can't even learn their own profession, though they're the majority lol.

Most important of all go donate blood, you're in the danger zone. Drink lots of water. You are at a higher risk of getting a blood clot.

Hi cousin

Yeah, i will speak with the doc and drop to 100mg, they are useless man seriously dont know shit, one of the docs i spoke to at my last appointment said that estrogen isn't necessary to test i didnt argue it but inside I was just like damn, and we are supposed to trust these guys??... My faith in doctors has drastically fallen. Annoying thing is I gave blood 3 weeks ago and cant give blood again for another 2 months!!

I think i'm going to have to get a kit and take a pint of my own blood maybe?

**Mr.BB** · 08-10-2018, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Hi cousin

Yeah, i will speak with the doc and drop to 100mg, they are useless man seriously dont know shit, one of the docs i spoke to at my last appointment said that estrogen isn't necessary to test i didnt argue it but inside I was just like damn, and we are supposed to trust these guys??... My faith in doctors has drastically fallen. Annoying thing is I gave blood 3 weeks ago and cant give blood again for another 2 months!!

I think i'm going to have to get a kit and take a pint of my own blood maybe?

A doc in england is prescribing you 200mg per week? Seriously doubt that.

The protocol is nebido, or 200mg enanthate every 2-3 weeks.

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

A doc in england is prescribing you 200mg per week? Seriously doubt that.

The protocol is nebido, or 200mg enanthate every 2-3 weeks.

Private clinique in Surrey, not NHS!

Out my own pocket!

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 04:42 AM

Do you guys think its worth me self bleeding 1pint?

Next give blood appointment is in 90 days!!

**cousinmuscles** · 08-10-2018, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Do you guys think its worth me self bleeding 1pint?

Next give blood appointment is in 90 days!!

Yep or find a red Cross or something

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by cousinmuscles

Yep or find a red Cross or something

Thanks for your help cousin!!

**Mr.BB** · 08-10-2018, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Private clinique in Surrey, not NHS!

Out my own pocket!

I've lived in Kingston when you were around 5

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Do you guys think its worth me self bleeding 1pint?

Next give blood appointment is in 90 days!!

Depends how your iron stocks are.

If your iron is low it may be higher risk to donate.

Just stop taking testosterone for a few weeks, the protocol you are doing is harming you.
Restart when you are healthier.

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I've lived I'm Kingston when you were around 5

Depends how your iron stocks are.

If your iron is low it may be higher risk to donate.

Just stop taking testosterone for a few weeks, the protocol you are doing is harming you.
Restart when you are healthier.

No way, I used to live in Kingston! Have moved a bit further out now..

I had my Iron checked, don have the stats to hand, but will check after work and see where they stand. I believe they are in normal range from what i can remember, if they are am i ok to do a pint? dont want to take my own blood and feel worse!

**Mr.BB** · 08-10-2018, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

No way, I used to live in Kingston! Have moved a bit further out now..

I had my Iron checked, don have the stats to hand, but will check after work and see where they stand. I believe they are in normal range from what i can remember, if they are am i ok to do a pint? dont want to take my own blood and feel worse!

Kingston Uni

If iron is in range try to find a way to donate, blood donation services are centralized so might no be easy. But you can ask any doctor for phlebotomy, shouldn't be that expensive.

But still stop the test for a couple of months, or till your bloods are in better shape.

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Kingston Uni

If iron is in range try to find a way to donate, blood donation services are centralized so might no be easy. But you can ask any doctor for phlebotomy, shouldn't be that expensive.

But still stop the test for a couple of months, or till your bloods are in better shape.

Ok, well I cant find a way to donate round here i asked my GP today and she said no i don't need too (Shitty NHS guidelines)... So ill have to do it myself! Will do 500ml over the weekend!

Will stop the test, re do bloods and then start fresh with TRT! Cheers BB

**Eduke93** · 08-10-2018, 12:11 PM

Tried to self bleed was a fail, couldn’t get the pressure right... don’t really want to do it again.

Anyone in Uk know where I can get my blood taken? I’m not allowed to give blood for another 2 months with the give blood organisation? Any where else?

**Mr.BB** · 08-10-2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Ok, well I cant find a way to donate round here i asked my GP today and she said no i don't need too (Shitty NHS guidelines)... So ill have to do it myself! Will do 500ml over the weekend!

Will stop the test, re do bloods and then start fresh with TRT! Cheers BB

Go private or date a nurse.

Find a nurse on tinder if you want to be creative lol

**Eduke93** · 08-11-2018, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Go private or date a nurse.

Find a nurse on tinder if you want to be creative lol

Lol, don’t think my misses would like the tinder idea... she tried to help me self bleed yesterday and nearly fainted, some blood came out but it just wouldn’t flow, butchered my arm a tad as well lol

Anyway, I’ll see if I can do it privately if not my next give blood appointment is booked for 10th nov (I gave 4 weeks ago)

If I can’t get anything taken privately, I’ll do a baby aspirin every day, lots of water and will take your advice with the test as well.. dropping for 2 weeeks then BW and will start again at 100mg.

**Eduke93** · 08-11-2018, 03:02 AM

Managed to change my Give blood appointment to 15th October!!

**Dannyboy51577** · 08-11-2018, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Eduke93

Managed to change my Give blood appointment to 15th October!!

Well im glad to see you have some sort of answer man. I generally donate as soon as im allowed to, i do get lethargic if mine gets a little outta whack, just not to the degree youve had to deal with. We can donate every 2 months here so i always make sure im there as soon as that 2 months is up.

Im not good with the self drain method, but isnt there private clinics other than where you have been? Just thinking maybe if you go to a place thats not on the same system you maybe able to get away with it

**Eduke93** · 08-11-2018, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dannyboy51577

Well im glad to see you have some sort of answer man. I generally donate as soon as im allowed to, i do get lethargic if mine gets a little outta whack, just not to the degree youve had to deal with. We can donate every 2 months here so i always make sure im there as soon as that 2 months is up.

Im not good with the self drain method, but isnt there private clinics other than where you have been? Just thinking maybe if you go to a place thats not on the same system you maybe able to get away with it

Yeah they have confirmed it’s nothing to worry about isn’t an underlying cause like a auto immune problem or anything nasty, they said it’s for sure CFS that’s been ticked off by my heavy long term cycle, I have a nerve screening and back scan as well to make sure I haven’t ruptured another disc and to check out my upper back and arms for trapped nerves on the 15th...

Can’t find anywhere round here mate, we can only donate every 3 months.. it sucks! It’s not majorly out of range so happy to wait, drink lots of fluid and a daily aspirin.. not getting any sides like headaches or nose bleeds or anything! They said it’s not high enough for me to warrant them to remove a pint with out national health system...