Next blast?

[Eduke93]

Hi All,

So I want to do an 18 weeker in the new year. I got the cycle template from Dave palumbo, just wanted to know your thoughts. Haven’t switched compounds before! Only thing I’ve changed is the gh/slin, don’t want I run either! (Cycle won’t start until have thumbs up from doc post surgery)

WEEK 1-6**
1. 250mg testosterone enanthate every other day
2. 200mg Equipoise (boldenone) every other day
3. 10mg dbol 3x per day
4. 1/2mg Arimidex every other day

WEEKS 7-12**
1. 250mg testosterone enanthate every other day
2. 75mg trenbolone (every other day)
3. 1/2mg Arimidex every other day

WEEKS 13-18**
1. 250mg testosterone enanthate every other day
2. 200mg Deca (every other day)
4. 1/2mg Arimidex every other day

Back to TRT/Cruise

[The God Himself]

Why do you pin long esters so frequent? You can go twice a week instead.
Deca for 5 weeks? Not worth it. Especially at the end of your cycle. You mix too many compounds together. Boldenone, trenbolone and deca in the same blast? Not a good cycle imo.
You run two long esters for a very short time and stop them at the point they are going to kick in.

[Eduke93]

Why do you pin long esters so frequent? You can go twice a week instead.
Deca for 5 weeks? Not worth it. Especially at the end of your cycle. You mix too many compounds together. Boldenone, trenbolone and deca in the same blast? Not a good cycle imo.
You run two long esters for a very short time and stop them at the point they are going to kick in.

The EOD protocol is for stable levels. The EQ will linger up to week 12 when the deca is implemented.

This is a very methodically planned cycle, it isn’t mine it’s Dave palumbos, I believe gear headed promotes this style in changing compounds every 6 weeks, hopefully he will chime in.

[Eduke93]

Also the sharp change in compounds is to keep your body out of homostasius to avoid plateauing.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Why do you pin long esters so frequent? You can go twice a week instead.
Deca for 5 weeks? Not worth it. Especially at the end of your cycle. You mix too many compounds together. Boldenone, trenbolone and deca in the same blast? Not a good cycle imo.
You run two long esters for a very short time and stop them at the point they are going to kick in.

Disagree. The more components mixed, the better the results will be.
Justifies less mgs also.

My and Pianas take states that avoiding adaption is more important that keeping stabile blood levels.
Body loves stabile bloodlevels. Makes it easier to keep EVERYTHING quiet and stabile. Which is what the body tries to 24/7.

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[GearHeaded]

hey Eduke .. I like the concept and what your trying to do here. I would just say that there is actually 'not enough' going on here (some people will say its too much lol).. I think you need a bit more 'complication', you need to phase it out a bit more with an added compound or two. possibly split things up so you have a high androgen phase, a high estrogen phase (if your not e sensitive) and a high anabolic phase.

I think your on the right track though. just some tweaks to this and your on your way to more advanced cycling protocols (which is really needed for guys that blast and cruise).
check out some of my concepts in this thread for some more info if you like

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...protocols.html


I'll respond back in another post with some ideas on how to tweak this 'phase' cycle of yours .

[Eduke93]

hey Eduke .. I like the concept and what your trying to do here. I would just say that there is actually 'not enough' going on here (some people will say its too much lol).. I think you need a bit more 'complication', you need to phase it out a bit more with an added compound or two. possibly split things up so you have a high androgen phase, a high estrogen phase (if your not e sensitive) and a high anabolic phase.

I think your on the right track though. just some tweaks to this and your on your way to more advanced cycling protocols (which is really needed for guys that blast and cruise).
check out some of my concepts in this thread for some more info if you like

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...protocols.html


I'll respond back in another post with some ideas on how to tweak this 'phase' cycle of yours .

Cheers GH, yeah to be honest I thought it seemed a bit plain despite gram for gram is relatively high. Was hoping you where going to chime in to help out!!

I’ve had a read through your thread, it makes sense but I’d like to try and keep it a consistent blast over the 18 weeks as oppose to 6 weeks on 4 cruise, or will your method 6 / 4 be better in terms of keeping my body thinking?

Very interested to hear your ideas!!

[GearHeaded]

week 1-6
Test E - 500mg per week
EQ - 800mg per week

week 7-12
Test E - 1000mg per week
Tren - 350mg per week
Masteron - 525mg per week

week 13-18
Test E - 300mg per week
NPP/deca - 875mg per week
Masteron - 525mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg per day


So there are a few things going on here..
- there are 3 phases here . phase 1 is your base phase (could also be an estrogenic phase if you wanted, just add Dbol), phase 2 is your high androgen phase, phase 3 is your high anabolic phase. these phases are accomplished depending on the dosage of test used along with the other compounds stacked with it.
- compound rotation of course, but you'll notice the compounds being used go up over the duration of the cycle (start with 2, then 3, then 4 diff compounds)
- not only do the amount of compounds used go up over the cycle, but the total dosage does as well. you start at 1.3 grams, then 1.9 grams, then 2.1 grams.

your base phase is just getting things up-regulated and primed without putting undue demands and stress on the body.
your androgenic phase (week 7-12) is using highly androgenic compounds , high dose test, tren, and mast.
your anabolic phase (week 13-18) is using highly anabolic compounds with very little androgenic properties, with very low test (low androgen low dht conversion).
the masteron is in both phases being it works extremely well with 19nors like deca and tren.


anyhow this is a bit of a tweak to Daves protocol. personally, I may do things completely different and not run a total 16 week run in the first place. but I did NOT want to completely undo what was set up here, just tweak it a bit is all.
just my 2 cents brother

[GearHeaded]

just to add some real life value here.. my current compound rotation I've been on went from low dose test and anadrol, to moderate dose test and tren and eq, to very high dose test (1250mg) and NPP/deca combined (900mg) with Dbol, to now phasing out the test completely and starting Masteron (with the NPP), and will finish off with Mast, Primo and winny.

to beginner AAS users I know this sounds like a sporadic shotgun approach.. but there really is a rhyme and reason to compound rotation.
however beginners can get by with traditional 8-12 week cycles for years before going to blasting and cruising and then ultimately compound rotation.

[GearHeaded]

heres a very very generic and simple way to think about how compound rotation is of some benefit.

lets take Tren for example . Tren has a very strong binding affinity. however it does not have a very short binding affinity,, meaning it binds to a receptor, gets comfy and lazy and just stays there for awhile (not good).
IF we were to invent some sort of 'super tren' it would have a very strong binding affinity and a very short binding affinity. meaning it will bind very easily, and it will communicate to the cell and then immediately detach and move on to another receptor and keep doing the same thing. that way multiple cells receive the 'coding' at a very rapid rate.

just to note - once tren binds to a receptor and initiates signal transduction, that information is only needed ONE TIME for that cell. There is no use in it staying bound as no 'new' information is being communicated. its a one and done type of deal.

so hope that makes some sense.. and you see why compound rotation also makes sense.
so you use your Tren and blast it for your 4-6 weeks or so and it binds to receptors and communicates its information and THEN you need to move on to another compound . for example, EQ . well eq may be known as being very slow acting in regards to its ester. but, unlike Tren, once it gets into the blood stream its very fast acting in regards to its ability to bind, communicate information, then unbind and move on to the next cell.
so you can see why we would want to stack steroids together, and practice compound rotation , especially as we become more advanced and susceptible to "de-sensitization'' issues

[Eduke93]

week 1-6
Test E - 500mg per week
EQ - 800mg per week

week 7-12
Test E - 1000mg per week
Tren - 350mg per week
Masteron - 525mg per week

week 13-18
Test E - 300mg per week
NPP/deca - 875mg per week
Masteron - 525mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg per day


So there are a few things going on here..
- there are 3 phases here . phase 1 is your base phase (could also be an estrogenic phase if you wanted, just add Dbol), phase 2 is your high androgen phase, phase 3 is your high anabolic phase. these phases are accomplished depending on the dosage of test used along with the other compounds stacked with it.
- compound rotation of course, but you'll notice the compounds being used go up over the duration of the cycle (start with 2, then 3, then 4 diff compounds)
- not only do the amount of compounds used go up over the cycle, but the total dosage does as well. you start at 1.3 grams, then 1.9 grams, then 2.1 grams.

your base phase is just getting things up-regulated and primed without putting undue demands and stress on the body.
your androgenic phase (week 7-12) is using highly androgenic compounds , high dose test, tren, and mast.
your anabolic phase (week 13-18) is using highly anabolic compounds with very little androgenic properties, with very low test (low androgen low dht conversion).
the masteron is in both phases being it works extremely well with 19nors like deca and tren.


anyhow this is a bit of a tweak to Daves protocol. personally, I may do things completely different and not run a total 16 week run in the first place. but I did NOT want to completely undo what was set up here, just tweak it a bit is all.
just my 2 cents brother

Thanks GH, A LOT of very valuable information here and I truly appreciate you taking the time to help with this! Given me a lot to think about & learn! (And I’m sure a lot of others too reading this)

The phases make a lot of sense, it gives the blast structure and I guess kind of a goal per phase as oppose to just changing the compounds as and when. Using each phase to prime your body for the next phase in order to achieve maximum results.

If I wanted to add cruises between each 6 week blast, would the structure need to change?

I am indecisive on whether to do an 18 weeker or split it up, want to find a good balance, I’ve ran 18-20 weekers before but not as well designed as this. Found I felt very lethargic and tired towards the end, kind of like my body was refusing the drugs. So not sure whether splitting it up would be better or to just handle the brief uncomfort I felt last time round.

P.s, if you ever write an anabolics book, let me know and I’ll be the first to pre order lol

[Aerospace]

Not long enough for Equipose to take effect, need minimum 12 weeks
Not long enough for Deca, need minimum 8 weeks

[GearHeaded]

Not long enough for Equipose to take effect, need minimum 12 weeks
Not long enough for Deca, need minimum 8 weeks

you need to do more research into how these drugs actually work in the body and bind to receptors and relay information. . all your doing is spouting stuff that is popular to say on Internet forums .

Plenty of high level pro's may do either one of those compounds for only a short 4 week blast (cause they have coaches that know the chemistry behind how this stuff works, not coaches that parrot every thing they've read from other newbs on Internet forums)

[GearHeaded]

If I wanted to add cruises between each 6 week blast, would the structure need to change?

yes you'd change things a bit but the basic structure can remain the same.. basically if you add cruises in between phases, you'd be best implementing some anti estrogen and anti cortisol phases into the tail end going into a cruise and things to re-set your androgen receptor sensitivity. this is because the cruise is so short, you want to try and speed up the re- sensitization (you'd likely need some 'chemical' help to speed the process up).. however doing it without adding extra drugs is still possible

I am indecisive on whether to do an 18 weeker or split it up, want to find a good balance, I’ve ran 18-20 weekers before but not as well designed as this. Found I felt very lethargic and tired towards the end, kind of like my body was refusing the drugs. So not sure whether splitting it up would be better or to just handle the brief uncomfort I felt last time round.

P.s, if you ever write an anabolics book, let me know and I’ll be the first to pre order lol

well you could plan things out like your going to do this as one long run , and if you feel at one point your not responding very well you take a small cruise phase, then get back on. nothing is set in stone. nothing wrong with going by how you feel.

Obs has got dibs on the first pre order he's the first one on here to find out that I am in the process of putting together an advanced AAS users guide/manual

[kelkel]

Obs has got dibs on the first pre order he's the first one on here to find out that I am in the process of putting together an advanced AAS users guide/manual

No shit?

[GearHeaded]

No shit?

yep. don't have an exact time frame on it yet, but I'm in the process of building the bibliography and database for it now as well as structuring the format (so basically lots of note taking at the moment and research .. finding quality references on 'steroids' is fairly difficult though. not like my local library is of much help, as would be if you were writing on a more main stream topic)

[charger69]

yep. don't have an exact time frame on it yet, but I'm in the process of building the bibliography and database for it now as well as structuring the format (so basically lots of note taking at the moment and research .. finding quality references on 'steroids' is fairly difficult though. not like my local library is of much help, as would be if you were writing on a more main stream topic)

Just ask GH. LOL


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[Obs]

yes you'd change things a bit but the basic structure can remain the same.. basically if you add cruises in between phases, you'd be best implementing some anti estrogen and anti cortisol phases into the tail end going into a cruise and things to re-set your androgen receptor sensitivity. this is because the cruise is so short, you want to try and speed up the re- sensitization (you'd likely need some 'chemical' help to speed the process up).. however doing it without adding extra drugs is still possible



well you could plan things out like your going to do this as one long run , and if you feel at one point your not responding very well you take a small cruise phase, then get back on. nothing is set in stone. nothing wrong with going by how you feel.

Obs has got dibs on the first pre order he's the first one on here to find out that I am in the process of putting together an advanced AAS users guide/manual

You might speak with the site owner about that once you get done. Might make a good sponsorship/sales relationship.

[Eduke93]

yes you'd change things a bit but the basic structure can remain the same.. basically if you add cruises in between phases, you'd be best implementing some anti estrogen and anti cortisol phases into the tail end going into a cruise and things to re-set your androgen receptor sensitivity. this is because the cruise is so short, you want to try and speed up the re- sensitization (you'd likely need some 'chemical' help to speed the process up).. however doing it without adding extra drugs is still possible



well you could plan things out like your going to do this as one long run , and if you feel at one point your not responding very well you take a small cruise phase, then get back on. nothing is set in stone. nothing wrong with going by how you feel.

Obs has got dibs on the first pre order he's the first one on here to find out that I am in the process of putting together an advanced AAS users guide/manual

Thanks GH.

Having surgery in January so plenty of time to think/plan ahead! But certainly want to use this approach, will post re-evaluated plans closer to the time!

Damn, dibs on second then!!