2nd cycle Test + EQ need some input

[jackfrost88]

So I've decided on Test + EQ for 12 weeks for a 2nd cycle. Basically liked the slow, steady gains EQ seems to give with the limited sides, as well as performance benefits, and thought it would be a good conservative 2nd cycle.

Was thinking of 400 test + 500eq or is that overkill?

Also, is it better to front load it or just run at the same dosage throughout, heard mixed opinions.

Should EQ be stopped earlier than test so PCT can start 2 weeks after last pin or is it done differently?

Only thing that I'm not looking forward would be the time it takes to kick and was throwing around the idea of a weak oral at the start such an anavar or tbol but not sure yet.

Advice appreciated

[Windex]

If you are dead set on doing EQ then go for 14-16 weeks over 12 and Run 200mg Test + 700mg EQ rather than your 400/500 split.

[fitguy]

So I've decided on Test + EQ for 12 weeks for a 2nd cycle. Basically liked the slow, steady gains EQ seems to give with the limited sides, as well as performance benefits, and thought it would be a good conservative 2nd cycle.

Was thinking of 400 test + 500eq or is that overkill?

Also, is it better to front load it or just run at the same dosage throughout, heard mixed opinions.

Should EQ be stopped earlier than test so PCT can start 2 weeks after last pin or is it done differently?

Only thing that I'm not looking forward would be the time it takes to kick and was throwing around the idea of a weak oral at the start such an anavar or tbol but not sure yet.

Advice appreciated

Tbol
Or anavar are good ideas for a kickstart,and boldenone is usually run for a longer time

[GearHeaded]

you can stop the test and eq around the same time and just pct 2+ weeks later.

you really don't need a 3rd compound kick start for a 2nd cycle. your receptors and everything are going to be 'fresh' and you should start making gains right away. you can always front load your test the first 2 weeks at like 1000mg a week to get things going a bit faster.

[Windex]

One option is to start the cycle with Test Suspension as a kickstart

[jackfrost88]

If you are dead set on doing EQ then go for 14-16 weeks over 12 and Run 200mg Test + 700mg EQ rather than your 400/500 split.

Would a longer run of 14-16 weeks hurt recover at all? I'm open to running it longer but I'm not on TRT and looking to get natural test back up asap when it's over. Last cycle of just test 400 with tbol at start took me 10 days after PCT to rebound within normal test range.

Also not dead set on EQ, haven't ordered yet. My guy can get boldenone ace/cyp/deca and blends so those are all options. Was thinking EQ due to it's mild nature and low sides for a 2nd cycle.

[Windex]

Would a longer run of 14-16 weeks hurt recover at all? I'm open to running it longer but I'm not on TRT and looking to get natural test back up asap when it's over. Last cycle of just test 400 with tbol at start took me 10 days after PCT to rebound within normal test range.

Also not dead set on EQ, haven't ordered yet. My guy can get boldenone ace/cyp/deca and blends so those are all options. Was thinking EQ due to it's mild nature and low sides for a 2nd cycle.

Blended gear is poor because you have very little control over dose/ratio. The difference between 12 and 14 weeks in terms of recovery from Test+EQ is going to be negligible. I recommended the extra 2 weeks because EQ is a bit of a slower compound.

[GearHeaded]

the difference between 12 weeks of EQ compared to 14 weeks of EQ , in a total Milligram context, is roughly 1000mg. thats not very much at all. that can be made up by simply shortening the cycle from 14 weeks to 12 weeks, but adding 100mg extra per week. or by running the 12 weeks and back loading an extra 1000mg at the end.
imo, too many people get caught up with the 'length of time' in regards to running long esters , and totally dismiss how your body actually utilizes the drug and puts to use all the mg that you inject.

if your goal was to inject 10,000mg of EQ . you could do that spread out over 10 weeks (1000mg per week). you could do that spread out over 20 weeks (500mg per week). Either way your body is likely going to make use of ALL 10,000mg that you give it (at these low of dosages we are not likely to get spill over or much diminishing returns).

my idea would be to go ahead and make use of that 10,000mg of EQ you plan on using it in the 10 week time span, rather then extending it over a 20 week time span.. why ? so you can use up the EQ get what you want out of it and move on to your next protocol .
example - if you get 10,000mg of EQ knocked out an utilized in 10 weeks (instead of 20), you can then move on to knocking out 10,000mg of Deca the next 10 weeks . rather then running half the drugs at half the dosages, but taking twice the time, ie, over 20 weeks.
make sense? of course this needs to be done within reason.. I'm just making a point here.

sometimes guys end up short changing themselves by thinking long esters need to be ran a long time at low to moderate dosages.
heck, you can get twice as much shit done in half the time though.

I think guys get caught up on slow ester compounds needing to be ran at low moderate dosages over long durations of time. like your body somehow can't use the drug unless its strung out over many many weeks.. but this is not the case. you body is going to use it even if the time period is shorter. your better off blasting that shit at high dosages for shorter durations so you can go ahead and move on to more compounds and more and more cycles.

^^ of course thats if your goal is to put on muscle and try and get massive. if your just running gear for shits and giggles, then you may want to take a different more 'sub optimal' type of approach go ahead and run low doses for long slow steady periods of time (and get slower results). thats all a personal choice.

[GearHeaded]

without getting into it on this thread ,, there is a reason in my 'advanced AAS use' thread that I have using, as an example, 450mg per DAY (for a short blast) and including long esters in there. because the long esters are effective at shorter duration just like they are at longer duration , you just have to stack up the dosages.
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...protocols.html

[fitguy]

the difference between 12 weeks of EQ compared to 14 weeks of EQ , in a total Milligram context, is roughly 1000mg. thats not very much at all. that can be made up by simply shortening the cycle from 14 weeks to 12 weeks, but adding 100mg extra per week. or by running the 12 weeks and back loading an extra 1000mg at the end.
imo, too many people get caught up with the 'length of time' in regards to running long esters , and totally dismiss how your body actually utilizes the drug and puts to use all the mg that you inject.

if your goal was to inject 10,000mg of EQ . you could do that spread out over 10 weeks (1000mg per week). you could do that spread out over 20 weeks (500mg per week). Either way your body is likely going to make use of ALL 10,000mg that you give it (at these low of dosages we are not likely to get spill over or much diminishing returns).

my idea would be to go ahead and make use of that 10,000mg of EQ you plan on using it in the 10 week time span, rather then extending it over a 20 week time span.. why ? so you can use up the EQ get what you want out of it and move on to your next protocol .
example - if you get 10,000mg of EQ knocked out an utilized in 10 weeks (instead of 20), you can then move on to knocking out 10,000mg of Deca the next 10 weeks . rather then running half the drugs at half the dosages, but taking twice the time, ie, over 20 weeks.
make sense? of course this needs to be done within reason.. I'm just making a point here.

sometimes guys end up short changing themselves by thinking long esters need to be ran a long time at low to moderate dosages.
heck, you can get twice as much shit done in half the time though.

I think guys get caught up on slow ester compounds needing to be ran at low moderate dosages over long durations of time. like your body somehow can't use the drug unless its strung out over many many weeks.. but this is not the case. you body is going to use it even if the time period is shorter. your better off blasting that shit at high dosages for shorter durations so you can go ahead and move on to more compounds and more and more cycles.

^^ of course thats if your goal is to put on muscle and try and get massive. if your just running gear for shits and giggles and be in the 'cool crowd' then you may want to take a different more 'sub optimal' type of approach go ahead and run low doses for long slow steady periods of time (and get slower results). thats all a personal choice.

So whats your optimal
Cycle length recommendation on running a test boldenone cycle

[Windex]

the difference between 12 weeks of EQ compared to 14 weeks of EQ , in a total Milligram context, is roughly 1000mg. thats not very much at all. that can be made up by simply shortening the cycle from 14 weeks to 12 weeks, but adding 100mg extra per week. or by running the 12 weeks and back loading an extra 1000mg at the end.
imo, too many people get caught up with the 'length of time' in regards to running long esters , and totally dismiss how your body actually utilizes the drug and puts to use all the mg that you inject.

if your goal was to inject 10,000mg of EQ . you could do that spread out over 10 weeks (1000mg per week). you could do that spread out over 20 weeks (500mg per week). Either way your body is likely going to make use of ALL 10,000mg that you give it (at these low of dosages we are not likely to get spill over or much diminishing returns).

my idea would be to go ahead and make use of that 10,000mg of EQ you plan on using it in the 10 week time span, rather then extending it over a 20 week time span.. why ? so you can use up the EQ get what you want out of it and move on to your next protocol .
example - if you get 10,000mg of EQ knocked out an utilized in 10 weeks (instead of 20), you can then move on to knocking out 10,000mg of Deca the next 10 weeks . rather then running half the drugs at half the dosages, but taking twice the time, ie, over 20 weeks.
make sense? of course this needs to be done within reason.. I'm just making a point here.

sometimes guys end up short changing themselves by thinking long esters need to be ran a long time at low to moderate dosages.
heck, you can get twice as much shit done in half the time though.

I think guys get caught up on slow ester compounds needing to be ran at low moderate dosages over long durations of time. like your body somehow can't use the drug unless its strung out over many many weeks.. but this is not the case. you body is going to use it even if the time period is shorter. your better off blasting that shit at high dosages for shorter durations so you can go ahead and move on to more compounds and more and more cycles.

^^ of course thats if your goal is to put on muscle and try and get massive. if your just running gear for shits and giggles, then you may want to take a different more 'sub optimal' type of approach go ahead and run low doses for long slow steady periods of time (and get slower results). thats all a personal choice.

Since being unbanned you have disagreed with every post I have made.

Are you so arrogant that you only think your opinion and method is correct ?

[GearHeaded]

So whats your optimal
Cycle length recommendation on running a test boldenone cycle

that would be personal and context dependent to be able to give an exact answer.. I could give client A one protocol and my client B another protocol and they would both be optimal for THEM..

but I will give you what an "Advanced AAS user' optimal type of protocol would look like.
but PLEASE NOTE -- I'm giving this for information reasons only, its NOT a recommendation for new or beginner AAS users.

ok so for an advanced user .. what would optimal test/eq cycle look like.--

ok, well first I would NOT recommend 'cycling' steroids (ie not running a few steroid cycles per year with pct in between). I recommend advanced guys be using phase cycling and compound rotation phases throughout the year.

so lets take the beginner idea of running 3 cycles per year.
lets say
- cycle one is test only at 500mg a week for 12 weeks
- cycle two is test at 500mg and eq at 500mg for 12 weeks
- cycle three is a dbol kickstart with test at 500mg and deca at 500mg for 12 weeks

so that covers an entire year of cycles. with a total being 'on' time of 36 weeks..

well my advanced user client , who wants to be OPTIMAL , is in no way going to take an entire year to do that little of drugs.
we are going to get all of that done in a a couple months

week 1-6
EQ 1000mg week
Test 500mg week
week 7-12
Test 1500mg week
Deca 1000mg week
Dbol 50mg day

SO... the above cycle is the EXACT same total mg of drugs that the beginner took over a year (12,000mg total of test, 6000mg of Eq, 6000mg of deca, and Dbol)..

the advanced user is not stringing out his long ester drugs over 14-20 week cycles. he can get it done in 6 weeks. that way he an move on to more and more compounds to rotate in, dependent on what 'phase' he is in.
he has these two short 6 week blasts, he can then cruise for 4 weeks, then continue on. . so in 16 weeks, he has done essentially what a beginner has done the whole year (multiple cycles, plus some 'off time').
make sense ?

again I'm not advocating this for new users at all . but you asked about 'optimal' , and I'm giving you the most optimal example based on what the highest level of guys are doing.

but having said that .. I do think the beginner users can still learn from these more advanced protocols and utilize some of them to make there cycles much more efficient and reap much better gains, then the traditional cycle dogma that is seen on most steroid forums on the internet.

[GearHeaded]

Since being unbanned you have disagreed with every post I have made.

Are you so arrogant that you only think your opinion and method is correct ?

I'm not looking to argue with you so please don't start with me .. I'm simply pointing out other ways of doing things , that way the readers have more then one view to go off of.
I've never directed a single thing I said at YOU personally . if you think I was, then you are the arrogant one

[GearHeaded]

Windex, just because I advocate using high dosages of long ester drugs over shorter durations of time (and you think long esters need to be ran for long duration) does NOT mean I'm arguing with you !! LOL . I've been advocating for different AAS protocols that you've never known about for years probably . just because you happen to be posting in the same thread as me does not mean I'm even directing any one of my views at YOU what so ever.

[jackfrost88]

You guys are clearly much more advanced than I am. The reasoning behind being hesitant of longer cycle runs for me is purely recovery related. If it is true that higher dosages at a shorter duration can produce similar results, I would prefer that method but I do not understand EQ in that type of detail and was assuming a longer run cycle = harder recovery.

More than one way to skin a cat, both ideas probably have some merit

[GearHeaded]

You guys are clearly much more advanced than I am. The reasoning behind being hesitant of longer cycle runs for me is purely recovery related. If it is true that higher dosages at a shorter duration can produce similar results, I would prefer that method but I do not understand EQ in that type of detail and was assuming a longer run cycle = harder recovery.

More than one way to skin a cat, both ideas probably have some merit

this is exactly why I said in regards to what is 'optimal' that is "Personal and context dependent" -- so its going to depend on your situation and your goals.
14 weeks of EQ like Windex suggested may be just perfect for your situation.

blasting the same amount of EQ that you would have used in 14 weeks, in say 10 weeks instead, may also be prefect for your situation and wanting to get on PCT as soon as possible.

its really a personal context that makes a protocol optimal or not.

[GearHeaded]

but I guess in Windex's mind, giving multiple ways of doing things and different types of protocols is somehow argumentative with him
(I don't think I had even addressed him in this thread, let alone attempted to argue or disagree with him).

[jackfrost88]

I would do 12 weeks again since I am used to that and maybe front load the EQ a bit on what I would have used in the extra 2-4 weeks added. That would make sense ya? To get blood levels up earlier and reap benefits sooner while still keeping duration short to hop on PCT and get to next cycle

[GearHeaded]

I would do 12 weeks again since I am used to that and maybe front load the EQ a bit on what I would have used in the extra 2-4 weeks added. That would make sense ya? To get blood levels up earlier and reap benefits sooner while still keeping duration short to hop on PCT and get to next cycle

I think 12 weeks of EQ is completely reasonable. you could front load both the Test and the EQ.

if you wanted to get 'fancy' you could even front load the test e with test prop for the first couple weeks, and the EQ with boldenone ace.
blood levels would jump up way quick.
however, being this is just your second cycle, your likely to begin responding right away anyways by just keeping things simple

[jackfrost88]

but I guess in Windex's mind, giving multiple ways of doing things and different types of protocols is somehow argumentative with him
(I don't think I had even addressed him in this thread, let alone attempted to argue or disagree with him).

It's all good, you guys give great advice and its great to get different theories and viewpoints from you. Both make perfect sense. Especially at an advanced level where it seems they try to rotate compounds quickly to maximize growth.

[jackfrost88]

I think 12 weeks of EQ is completely reasonable. you could front load both the Test and the EQ.

if you wanted to get 'fancy' you could even front load the test e with test prop for the first couple weeks, and the EQ with boldenone ace.
blood levels would jump up way quick.
however, being this is just your second cycle, your likely to begin responding right away anyways by just keeping things simple

I may do this or honestly I'm not sure if it's necessary for me. On 400 of test I looked like a completely different person. That's why I'm trying to go on the light compounds - it makes me grow so well that it seems a waste to even consider the harsher drugs like dbol tren etc. for the time being.

[GearHeaded]

I may do this or honestly I'm not sure if it's necessary for me. On 400 of test I looked like a completely different person. That's why I'm trying to go on the light compounds - it makes me grow so well that it seems a waste to even consider the harsher drugs like dbol tren etc. for the time being.

right now your in the position where you can get the most out of the least . so yeah, ride that out for as long as you can.

[fitguy]

To the op,am not an expert or advanced use but i share you the same concerns and thoughts and will give you my experience and advice,you can run test and boldenone and choose to frontload both to achieve faster saturation,you can run anavar in the begining or anavar with test prop in the last few weeks up to pct ,i did that myself with tbol and was awesome,run hcg from the beginning,i did that and my recovery was great from deca test cycle

[jackfrost88]

To the op,am not an expert or advanced use but i share you the same concerns and thoughts and will give you my experience and advice,you can run test and boldenone and choose to frontload both to achieve faster saturation,you can run anavar in the begining or anavar with test prop in the last few weeks up to pct ,i did that myself with tbol and was awesome,run hcg from the beginning,i did that and my recovery was great from deca test cycle

Thanks, I will be front loading but not a real blast like some suggested. Like 700 or 800 for the first few weeks then drop to 500. Need to see how much are in each bottle and will adjust so it adds up right