7 week cut

[Jangles1]

Long time guys. Things going well my end. Hope you’re all smashing your goals.

I have still got most of the muscle I gained from my first cycle. Happy to post pics as always. I admittedly have lost some overall fullness but I’m down to 185ish and still look like a totally transformed person. Much leaner now. No where near some of the guys on here I’m sure, but I’m happy in my skin!

I’ve been cutting slowly. Very happy with the results. It just took serious dedication to the cause to keep that initial muscle. I’d like to think I’m past the point that the muscle will magically fall off now ��

I’ve had ups and downs with injuries and have had a point where I had 8 weeks off due to moving house and life shit.

Of course focus came back and it’s all positive now.


Diet today

Oats
Full fat milk

Turkey chilli

Roast chicken / smashed minted potatoes

Live Yogurt / Hummus Salad / Strawberries / protein shake /

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Anyway. Goals are a to shed as much fat as possible by the start of May before I do a 12 week Test / Deca / Dbol run.

Looking to do a 7 week cut. Diet is on point at 2250 cals a week. All healthy, nutrition. I am down to a low enough body fat to see top abs, veins and insane V lines.

Test P - 50mg m/w/f
Tren A - 62.5mg m/w/f
Mast P - 150mg m/w/f
Clen - 40mcg per day (I don’t like higher)
T3 - 50mcg per day


Is 150mg a week test enough to preserve muscle with the Tren, or shall I bump to 225mg? My idea of low test was due to the fact I’m going to be switching to Test E in May and I don’t want a big build up of Test incase it affects my blast. I plan on 500 or 750 Test and 600 Deca. So maybe 225mg a week now is ok? But do I need it?

Thanks in advanced.

[Test Monsterone]

I’m on a diet now. I could never do the rice and chicken diet. My diet is basically to have a base of romaine lettuce and cucumbers, and add chicken, tuna, or ground beef. I make all types of salads with different dressings and toppings of all sorts. It works because I get full and I’m not eating many carbs. The only carbs come from toppings or the dressing.

And the best part is that it’s super fast to make. I cook the chicken and beef once a week. Chicken I eat cold on the salad.

A base TRT level of test and slowly cutting should not affect your muscles or strength. I’ve been feeling stronger on this diet and I lost about 9 lbs over the last 4 weeks.

[Windex]

MWF is not sufficient to maintain stable blood serum levels with the short esters. You need to pin Every Other Day or Every Day.

Tren will preserve more muscle than Test, its 5x more anabolic and androgenic. That's why Tren is praises as the "cutting" king because it has the best mechanisms to preserve muscle tissue.

Your diet contains good food choices, but it's still missing a lot of nutrition.

Have you used Tren and Mast before?

[Octaneforce]

You shouldnt need tren for a second cycle. Test, mast, and an oral should be plenty. Are you on trt?

[Windex]

You shouldnt need tren for a second cycle. Test, mast, and an oral should be plenty. Are you on trt?

Good catch

[GearHeaded]

Is 150mg a week test enough to preserve muscle with the Tren, or shall I bump to 225mg? My idea of low test was due to the fact I’m going to be switching to Test E in May and I don’t want a big build up of Test incase it affects my blast. .

No 150mg a week of test is not enough to preserve muscle while in a calorie deficit (and running 50mcg of T3). that dosage will put your T levels in the normal range which doesn't do anything supraphysiological for either muscle building or preservation in a deficit. BUT , Who cares. Cause Your running essentially a 1000mg worth of test by running Tren and Masteron. and that will help preserve muscle.

just a side note to that. running that much T3 , you may get even more muscle preservation benefits by letting your Estrogen levels elevate some (so maybe kick your cycle off with a front loaded dosage of test).


also I'm not quite clear on your reasoning for running test at low dosage now cause you want to run it at a higher dosage later. I don't think it really matters what your doing with your Test dosage later on.
Despite poplular belief, we don't really de-sensitive to testosterone (like we do other compounds). you can run moderate high dosage year round and it will work the same year round.

IF we did desensitize to test. then TRT would not really work for guys. as they would have to keep coming off and back on and the doctor would have to keep bumping your dosages up year after year . but no this does not happen. if 180mg of test per week gets you ideal test levels on your TRT, then that will work for decades , it doesn't suddenly stop working one day cause of "de-sensitization"


on a side note: your diet looks kinda high fat for being a 7 week cut. using the drugs that your using to cut with, you are going to be better off going super low fat, moderate protein and carbs (rather then low carb high fat)

[Jangles1]

You shouldnt need tren for a second cycle. Test, mast, and an oral should be plenty. Are you on trt?

No TRT and this is my third cycle. Sticking with the Tren. Less than 200mg a week is. Good safe dose. 1mg Caber taken throughout with Adex!

[Jangles1]

No 150mg a week of test is not enough to preserve muscle while in a calorie deficit (and running 50mcg of T3). that dosage will put your T levels in the normal range which doesn't do anything supraphysiological for either muscle building or preservation in a deficit. BUT , Who cares. Cause Your running essentially a 1000mg worth of test by running Tren and Masteron. and that will help preserve muscle.

just a side note to that. running that much T3 , you may get even more muscle preservation benefits by letting your Estrogen levels elevate some (so maybe kick your cycle off with a front loaded dosage of test).


also I'm not quite clear on your reasoning for running test at low dosage now cause you want to run it at a higher dosage later. I don't think it really matters what your doing with your Test dosage later on.
Despite poplular belief, we don't really de-sensitive to testosterone (like we do other compounds). you can run moderate high dosage year round and it will work the same year round.

IF we did desensitize to test. then TRT would not really work for guys. as they would have to keep coming off and back on and the doctor would have to keep bumping your dosages up year after year . but no this does not happen. if 180mg of test per week gets you ideal test levels on your TRT, then that will work for decades , it doesn't suddenly stop working one day cause of "de-sensitization"


on a side note: your diet looks kinda high fat for being a 7 week cut. using the drugs that your using to cut with, you are going to be better off going super low fat, moderate protein and carbs (rather then low carb high fat)

Thanks mate. Great info. Always learning. Taken on board.

[GearHeaded]

No TRT and this is my third cycle. Sticking with the Tren. Less than 200mg a week is. Good safe dose. 1mg Caber taken throughout with Adex!

just curious what you would want to take the Adex for ? your only running 150mg a week of test , tren does not aromatize, and Mast works as an anti estrogen.
you'd hate to take the Adex when its not needed, get your E levels way too low and hinder your gains, not lose as much body fat (as estrogen plays a role in this) and lose muscle because your IGF levels plummet (as E plays a role IGF production).. now sure Tren will raise IGF levels but it does this through the Estrogen mechanism .

with only 150mg of test per week and no other compounds that aromatize and Mast that has anti estrogen effects, your going to want to get the most estrogen you can out of that low of dose of test , NOT block it.

[Capebuffalo]

Pics please.

[Test Monsterone]

just curious what you would want to take the Adex for ? your only running 150mg a week of test , tren does not aromatize, and Mast works as an anti estrogen.
you'd hate to take the Adex when its not needed, get your E levels way too low and hinder your gains, not lose as much body fat (as estrogen plays a role in this) and lose muscle because your IGF levels plummet (as E plays a role IGF production).. now sure Tren will raise IGF levels but it does this through the Estrogen mechanism .

with only 150mg of test per week and no other compounds that aromatize and Mast that has anti estrogen effects, your going to want to get the most estrogen you can out of that low of dose of test , NOT block it.

Gear, check out this video by Dr. Thomas O'Connor, AKA "The Anabolic Doc"; it should start at 8:23.

https://youtu.be/dy3guBAFSjk?t=503


In the video it says that while EQ on it's own has about half the estrogenic effects of regular testosterone, when it is combined with testosterone, it can amplify estrogenic effects. I can't comment on whether or not this is true as I haven't tried EQ yet, but it's on my short list.


I never knew about estrogen's role in creating IGF... my last bloodwork where my estrogen was around 75 my IGF was significantly higher than usual.

[Capebuffalo]

Look I was not always nice to you in the past. I’ll admit that. I’m saying that so you know I’m not being a dick when I ask this. If you have kept most of your gains, https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ke-i-knew.html What are you cutting? And is this your 3rd cycle and you are already planning your fourth?