Should labs refund/give you credit?
I recently ran into an issue where I purchased 4 vials of pretty expensive DHB from a source I use consistently, and whose DHB I have used recently before. What prompted me to buy those 4 vials was the quality of the first two vials I used, and how they made me feel. Little pip, good results.
The lab has since changed carrier oils to guaiacol, and the pip is unbearable, even at a low .5 mL dose, mixed with other gear. I couldn’t move my arm for a week and had a lump in my shoulder for longer.
Isn’t it kind of a bait and switch the fact that the first batch was one kind of gear, and the second batch a totally different experience? I contacted the lab and there is no explanation for why the carrier oil was changed, only “that sucks brother” and “DHB is a bitch.” Their suggestion was to dilute the oil with some other oil, which I kind of already did by using it with test c.
I don’t see myself doing anything but throwing these vials in the trash and losing the ~$280 I paid for them. I would think a lab that wants to keep clients would offer something else in return, even if only covering half the cost. What’s it cost them to make a vial, a few bucks?
Should labs refund/give you credit?
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Originally Posted by
The road
Likewise, I ran Dhb with guiacol and without and had no issue.
Without it, it crashed briefly and I reheated it. Its one of the few crashed compounds I reheated and shot with no pip.
Pip is part of the game and tgats why we abbreviated it 20 years ago.
I advise losing the vagina or buying only pharma grade which... You will play hell finding pharma dhb.
So you can nut up or not touch it.
Thats the steroid game.
You think dhb is bad try boldenone acetate or some water based test suspension from a big ass lab like pharmacom.
I have pictures of my big beautiful veiny biceps red and swollen disfigurably.
Pip is not a week long thing.
It lasts two months sometimes if you inject enough of the wrong compound in one spot.
Hell, I had to shoot a 1ml blend of tren test and mast in 8-12 locations every day to control the pip.
But you wont be going to the pharmacy and buying that shit. No tren. No mast propionate...
So we live and learn and we all react differently, or we quit.
PIP, is a newbie term. One of the most common threads next to "I HIT A VEIN OMG!"
I remember my first beer...
Oh I remember my first pip, couldn't sit on my leather car seats without grimacing in pain..Road is right man, PIP is part of the game if iam thinking of your UGL ,he's has a legit company and is a good person..he's constantly improving his gear..Pip in a Virgin muscle is very painful, youll get used to it..20 years and I don't know if I got muscle left, or is it all scar tissue? Lol
Try larger muscle sites at smaller increments cut up with more oil..If you still can't stand it, dump it to someone who doesn't care..
Should labs refund/give you credit?
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Originally Posted by
The road
Its 10% scar tissue and 90% sex.
Lolol damn man, not in front of the "Norms" lol
Pip is a bitch, do what you can to cut it and put it muscle groups you don't use as much if you wanna make it bearable
Should labs refund/give you credit?
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Originally Posted by
SampsonandDelilah
Sucks that happened, especially knowing you’ve had great success with that compound in the past. Hopefully the work arounds these gents have offered provide a viable way for you to keep that DHB rolling. Sorry for the switch in the batch. I think there’s been some valid points made, some might be a little harsh ;)
But at the end of the day, the gear arrived, it isn’t contaminated and the source at least communicated back. It’s why I’ve been hesitant to try DHB in the first place because all of the rumblings about pip. Ya, it’s a mans game but at the same time being hobbled and unable to run your gear because of it sucks. I don’t think it’s a bait and switch, I just think it’s the lab doing their best to keep the molecule from crashing and in the right mgs to ML range. Hoping the diluting tricks work and wishing you the best on hopefully finishing this thing out.
No reason to flame TMO, he’s never bitched, been a solid contributor and he deserves some respect and encouragement and I’m sure it’s a learning lesson for him too. The guy had been a big advocate of DHB (in fact his posts are what sparked my curiosity with the compound) so I’m sure he’s just going through the disappointment of the change in recipe.
Stepping off my soap box....carry on men
My bad if I came off like a dick TMO, had a few drinks last night and that's why generally don't , can be a asshole at times..Also the source your using has been very honest and fair with me..pip is pip, it's part of the game with UGL's, it's hard to get outta the car, it's hard to sleep comfortably sometimes, hard to train affected area, it sucks..That being said, a source can't refund or take back products..For one its risky, and it's opening yourself up to every person who decides he doesn't like the gear..
I avoid high dose/ml compounds and certain kinds of non and short esters for that very reason..Sampson, nothing wrong for sticking up for a friend or someone you respect..Hope you can sooth that shit out bro!
Take care
Should labs refund/give you credit?
Seriously though cut that stuff up and try .25 or .5 at a time..see if its bearable and glad you guys hugged it out, we are all brothers in this game..
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