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    Don't Try this At Home

    Starting : 251.6lbs 15.5% BF
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    Week 1-21

    50IU Lantus AM
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    450mg EQ
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    220mg Test
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    Week 7-21 Adding

    875mg Mast
    30mg Cardarine (GW)

    For anyone curious on macros

    100g Fat, 250g Protein, Carbs will start at 600g working up towards 900g. Majority of my carbs are from fruit.
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    You’ve been quiet lately, now I know why. You’ve been hatching this diabolical plan

    Nice work, looks solid. I’m in

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    Like seeing the fruits. I eat lots.
    Too many people are afraid of oranges and pears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Like seeing the fruits. I eat lots.
    Too many people are afraid of oranges and pears.
    Who is scared of oranges and pears? What kind of people are you hanging out with? Lol
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    1050 of primo and I was literally about to create a thread asking if 600 is way to much. Guess that answers that question. Lol. Fck me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Who is scared of oranges and pears? What kind of people are you hanging out with? Lol
    Many people are anti-carb...

    Also...
    There are people who will tell you that fruits are bad because fructose can't be converted into glycogen.
    What they fail to realize is that fruits have more carbs than simply fructose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Many people are anti-carb...

    Also...
    There are people who will tell you that fruits are bad because fructose can't be converted into glycogen.
    What they fail to realize is that fruits have more carbs than simply fructose.
    Agree I have heard over and over to reduce carbs.... ugh I need tons of carbs otherwise I go flat and canít make gains. I have never been a fan of low carb unless you are depleting for a show or something but Iím done with those days

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Many people are anti-carb...

    Also...
    There are people who will tell you that fruits are bad because fructose can't be converted into glycogen.
    What they fail to realize is that fruits have more carbs than simply fructose.
    No, I know. I meant those two fruits specifically....was being funny. Anti carbohydrate folks are scarier than anti vaccination people

    No carbs = no growth

    I especially love my fructose first thing in his morning and right after a workout

    I do believe there’s a genetic component to carbohydrates as well...my body runs off of glucose. I’m worthless without them. Some guys I know will put on belly fat quickly with rice, grains or oats
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    Without carbs my training suffers.
    I advocate drinking a Gatorade during workouts.

    When cutting weight for a meet I go low carb for several days. Easily lose 3-4lbs of water.
    I then drink/eat plenty of carbs to bloat back up for the meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post

    I do believe there’s a genetic component to carbohydrates as well...my body runs off of glucose. I’m worthless without them. Some guys I know will put on belly fat quickly with rice, grains or oats
    Agreed...
    and to clarify...

    I am "low" carbs by some measures in that I primarily eat meat and fruit.
    It is hard to get as many calories from watermelon as it is from pasta.

    I actually have what's called reactive hypoglycemia so I shouldn't eat too many carbs. (I've actually passed out several times...)
    But before, during, and after my workouts I make sure to eat/drink plenty of carbs.

    I think fruits are the healthiest option.

    And the reason I said oranges and pears is because I didn't want to mention my favorite fruit watermelon... trying to avoid coming across like a was making a off handed comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Like seeing the fruits. I eat lots.
    Too many people are afraid of oranges and pears.
    Addicted to grapes and pineapple here. I eat several pounds of grapes per week easily. And I wonder why I spend so much time in the bathroom....


    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Who is scared of oranges and pears? What kind of people are you hanging out with? Lol
    The older you get the funnier you are. Probably won't last.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Starting : 251.6lbs 15.5% BF
    Goal : 268 lbs 13.5-14.5% BF

    Week 1-21

    50IU Lantus AM
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    12.5mg MK677 AM + 25mg MK677 PM
    450mg EQ
    1050mg Primo
    220mg Test
    100mg Deca

    Week 7-21 Adding

    875mg Mast
    30mg Cardarine (GW)

    For anyone curious on macros

    100g Fat, 250g Protein, Carbs will start at 600g working up towards 900g. Majority of my carbs are from fruit.

    That's almost a full time job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    That's almost a full time job!
    You hit the nail on the head. That is why I do not like taking slin. I take it, but it almost becomes a job because timing is everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Addicted to grapes and pineapple here. I eat several pounds of grapes per week easily. And I wonder why I spend so much time in the bathroom....

    Have you had the “pretty lady” varietal? They’re the big green plump ones...I’m addicted.



    The older you get the funnier you are. Probably won't last.....

    Seems to be working for you

    I’m definitely past my peak...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Seems to be working for you

    I’m definitely past my peak...
    Yeah. You are just skin and bones. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Starting : 251.6lbs 15.5% BF
    Goal : 268 lbs 13.5-14.5% BF

    Week 1-21

    50IU Lantus AM
    6IU HGH AM
    12.5mg MK677 AM + 25mg MK677 PM
    450mg EQ
    1050mg Primo
    220mg Test
    100mg Deca

    Week 7-21 Adding

    875mg Mast
    30mg Cardarine (GW)

    For anyone curious on macros

    100g Fat, 250g Protein, Carbs will start at 600g working up towards 900g. Majority of my carbs are from fruit.
    This is per day right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Yeah. You are just skin and bones. Lol

    I meant in the humor category



    Per day on those dosages? Whaaaaaaa??

    I guess I assumed the insulin , MK and HGH were daily and the oils were weekly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    No, I know. I meant those two fruits specifically....was being funny. Anti carbohydrate folks are scarier than anti vaccination people

    No carbs = no growth

    I especially love my fructose first thing in his morning and right after a workout

    I do believe there’s a genetic component to carbohydrates as well...my body runs off of glucose. I’m worthless without them. Some guys I know will put on belly fat quickly with rice, grains or oats
    Hell yea . I wish planet earth realized this. All these damn keto people in the gym trying to look like a bodybuilder i just shake my fuckin head. Cutting for a comp sure but you gotta have em to grow at least i have
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    Since we are talking about grapes, pineapples, carbs, and how Samson is small AF I am going to ask my question. Is there a more reasonable dosage for someone who has not used Primo before? No way I am pushing 1000mg/week of that :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Since we are talking about grapes, pineapples, carbs, and how Samson is small AF I am going to ask my question. Is there a more reasonable dosage for someone who has not used Primo before? No way I am pushing 1000mg/week of that :-)

    You know I used to like you

    At least I can count on your for always posting amazing food porn

    Shit, that 1000 a week of primo on top of that other regimen. I understand the title of the thread for sure...

    My only run with it was at 400, was great but didn’t make me a loyalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I meant in the humor category



    Per day on those dosages? Whaaaaaaa??

    I guess I assumed the insulin, MK and HGH were daily and the oils were weekly?
    Newbie.
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    I think I'll shoot for 500-700/wk to test this. Seems like 12-weeks should be enough unless someone has another opinion? Should you run anything else with this? Mast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Starting : 251.6lbs 15.5% BF
    Goal : 268 lbs 13.5-14.5% BF

    Week 1-21

    50IU Lantus AM
    6IU HGH AM
    12.5mg MK677 AM + 25mg MK677 PM
    450mg EQ
    1050mg Primo
    220mg Test
    100mg Deca

    Week 7-21 Adding

    875mg Mast
    30mg Cardarine (GW)

    For anyone curious on macros

    100g Fat, 250g Protein, Carbs will start at 600g working up towards 900g. Majority of my carbs are from fruit.
    This is the new first cycle recommendation
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    It took some digging but I found my old thread back from when I decided to do 1.2g Tren E per week:

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...irst-week.html

    I had only intended on taking such a high dose at the very beginning (i.e. to 'frontload' or to 'kickstart') but I ended up continuing at that dosage for a month or two. Also I was taking 70mg dbol daily.

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    Does the Lantus say 50 is or 5 iu.....50 iu is a crap-ton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    You’ve been quiet lately, now I know why. You’ve been hatching this diabolical plan

    Nice work, looks solid. I’m in
    Thank you kindly
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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    Does the Lantus say 50 is or 5 iu.....50 iu is a crap-ton!
    It's 50 IU not 5
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Who is scared of oranges and pears? What kind of people are you hanging out with? Lol
    Indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    Does the Lantus say 50 is or 5 iu.....50 iu is a crap-ton!
    Of Lantus?
    It really isn't.

    50-100Ius is where you want to be, if all other factors are dialed in appreciably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Starting : 251.6lbs 15.5% BF
    Goal : 268 lbs 13.5-14.5% BF

    Week 1-21

    50IU Lantus AM
    6IU HGH AM
    12.5mg MK677 AM + 25mg MK677 PM
    450mg EQ
    1050mg Primo
    220mg Test
    100mg Deca

    Week 7-21 Adding

    875mg Mast
    30mg Cardarine (GW)

    For anyone curious on macros

    100g Fat, 250g Protein, Carbs will start at 600g working up towards 900g. Majority of my carbs are from fruit.
    How is your blood pressure presently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    I think I'll shoot for 500-700/wk to test this. Seems like 12-weeks should be enough unless someone has another opinion? Should you run anything else with this? Mast?
    I akin Primot EQ where really shines at 14-16 weeks to each their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narkissos View Post
    How is your blood pressure presently?
    122 / 71 was last reading. I'm typically 120-125 / 70-80
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Since we are talking about grapes, pineapples, carbs, and how Samson is small AF I am going to ask my question. Is there a more reasonable dosage for someone who has not used Primo before? No way I am pushing 1000mg/week of that :-)
    400-700mg is great. Can be paired with test or just TRT + an Androgen. The cycle I laid out is not very nice on the wallet
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    That's almost a full time job!
    Beauty of partial retirement
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Many people are anti-carb...

    Also...
    There are people who will tell you that fruits are bad because fructose can't be converted into glycogen.
    What they fail to realize is that fruits have more carbs than simply fructose.
    Took me years to get over being afraid of fruit
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I meant in the humor category



    Per day on those dosages? Whaaaaaaa??

    I guess I assumed the insulin, MK and HGH were daily and the oils were weekly?
    That's correct. Oils are weekly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    That's correct
    This all makes sense then. Be excited to hear how it pulls together. Rooting for you and have no doubt you can achieve your goals
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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    Does the Lantus say 50 is or 5 iu.....50 iu is a crap-ton!
    lantus is long acting insulin taken 1 time per day usually. 50iu is a pretty standard dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Without carbs my training suffers.
    I advocate drinking a Gatorade during workouts.

    When cutting weight for a meet I go low carb for several days. Easily lose 3-4lbs of water.
    I then drink/eat plenty of carbs to bloat back up for the meet.
    I use to drink BCAA's/EAA's religiously along with other similar products before dropping all my supplementation outside of vitamins.

    Now I drink Gatorade during my workout and I'm a huge fan. Happy to see someone else on the same train of thought.
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    Forgot to add a few tidbits:

    Pre Workout :
    4 Pickles
    2x Serving Choc Milk
    1 Banana
    Sodium, Potassium, and Hydration

    Post Cycle will transition to a modified HRT program of

    3IU HGH
    100-150mg Test (dose TBD)
    100mg Deca Durabolin
    150mg Primo
    150mg EQ
    10mg Anavar /day


    I do not take any fitness supplements (creative, protein powder, preworkoit, stims, etc). Vitamin/Mineral stack is very simple:

    Multivitamin
    Activated B Complex
    Bone Complex
    Vitamin D3
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