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Hi all,
Currently running t400 and can't seem to stay asleep, I work out regularly and have a extremely physical job.
I can maybe sleep 5 hours straight and wake up either for no reason or just extreme aroused.
Would you lower dose? Or any tips to stay asleep, I have a fairly complex vitamin regimen as well but seems it's only been lately. Before taking test & hcg I could sleep 10 hours no problem.
Thank you.
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Have you tried 50mg of benedryl?
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Originally Posted by vanisle4x4
Honkey gave some good advice there. Benadryl can help alot.Quote:
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As far your supplements, I'd be much more inclined to believe it's somewhere in your vitamin cocktail than the testosterone. The thing with testosterone is that it changes your hormone balance drastically. And that can change how your body reacts to other supplements and even some foods and medications.
You really don't need alot of vitamins if you eat right. You might try to cut out the extra unnecessary vitamins and try some benadryl. Give it a week or so and see if tat does it, then slowly incorporate just the basics back in if you want to. B12, C, D and E ought to be more than adequate. If any at all
Never even crossed my mind I actually tried mk677 but made me feel lethargic ill try that when I get home this weekQuote:
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I'm going to try it, I take omega 3-6-9,milk thistle; lysine, vit d, vit C, vit b12, turmeric, cucmin and in forgetting one off the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughinn
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If you’re trying to stay natural - as far as sleep meds go > magnesium with melatonin work well, if taken about 30 mins before bed
I have bad sleep every time I’m on a cycle. It’s definitely the testosterone. 5 hours isn’t that bad... keep some melatonin by your bedside and if you wake up, take one.
How many weeks have you been on?
What is your weekly dosage?
Try a GABA (750mg) and Melatonin (3mg) cocktail 30min before bed if none of the above methods work. Works for me
Perfect i trt melatonin for nightshift and didn't want to abuse it but seems maybe inhave tooQuote:
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I switched off trt dose of e250 to t400 split between e4dQuote:
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That does not answer the question of what is your weekly dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanisle4x4
How much volume of test E 250mg/ml were you injecting per week?
How much volume of test ? 400mg/ml were you injecting per week?
We know vodka is 80 proof (40% alcohol) but if we don't know how much you drank than we won't know how much alcohol you consumed.
Drinking a glass of vodka delivers far more alcohol than drinking a shot of vodka.
Taking 250 1 shot a week
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How big is the syringe?? Is it 1ml (1cc) or something else?Quote:
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You said above you switched to the t400 e4d.
Now you are saying you are doing 250 1 shot a week.
Please provide as much accurate information as possible.
Not trying to be an ass but... you really shouldn't be fooling around with steroids with your level of knowledge on the subject.
Educate before you medicate.
DD, I feel your pain. So many facepalms on this forum, on a daily basis.
Holy macaroni, you're not an ass I'm explaining terribly.Quote:
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1 inch 23g, rotation of sites delts glutes quads
I was on e 250 1 cc a week and now doing 1/2 cc of t400 e4d
But face palm away my man my numbers speak for themselves [emoji847]
I came off as a douche not my intention, it sounded funnier in my head. I'm terrible at multi tasking and I was trying to formulate a witty response in the middle of hectic work day. No excuse and i apologize I do appreciate everyone's time and response.
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That ain’t shit
You should be fine
You run anything before this?
Dude, it ain't the gear keeping you up at night. Samson gave you some pretty sound advice if you wanted to try a "natural" aid to help you sleep. The Benedryl I suggested should work too, but it's not something you should make a habit out of. Try taking a hot shower before bed and making your room as dark and quiet as possible while you try to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanisle4x4
If you need more help beyond that, there's things like Ambiens, benzos, SNRIs, etc that you could try, but those all require an RX to get (and you really shouldn't use any of those without being directed to by your doctor).
I remember when my neighbor ran juice for no reason & insisted test gave him instant anxiety :icon_roll
Umm, no - it doesn’t
I know it isn't shit I don't need to run alot I react well and just trying to keep my strength up while I cut down to be more competitive at a weight class. I also know it doesn't give me anxiety I was just curious if maybe the test prop would cause this since it's half life is far less than eth.Quote:
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Again thank you for the advice
Yes I've ran more than this, in my early 20's I did body building and ran harsh compounds like tren, anadrol & tbol. Hence the later in life trt. I learned my lesson with bro science the hard way.
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It doesn't keep me up at night i find i wake up earlier, I go to sleep and sleep just fine just instead of waking up with my alarm I wake up with a stage 5 boner and can't go to sleep when at home it's fine because u wake up my girlfriend do the deed and back to bed. I just found I've had trouble staying asleep past 6 hours without waking up harder than a diamond.Quote:
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I will try it, like I said thank you for your advice and time.
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GotchaQuote:
Originally Posted by vanisle4x4
Sounds like other stressors of life
But, I’m no psychiatrist
The magnesium & melatonin combo works well for my wife
Unfortunately, I require fairly have sedation to reach sleep < you want to try your best to stay away from that being a necessity
I don't think that you will find many guys here on the forum who would advise this...Quote:
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Some of those things can cause a boost in metabolism. Of course along with that can come restlessness , sleeplessness and anxiety.Quote:
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The boners are in all likelihood the testosterone. Anything upward of about 400 makes me a walking erection. But in my opinion, whether it's 250 or 400 test weekly, that shouldn't cause bad insomnia or sleeplessness. But you may find yourself hunching on your pillow or your wife's leg while you sleep. Been there done that.
I'd personally examine your vitamin cocktail.
If that doesn't work you could always jump to my personal go to - and down a pint of Jim beam, get laid real good and rattle the walls snoring for about 10 hours. Works everytime for me.
I will try it, happened again today and I had my shot wedneday morning. Woke up at 230 took about half hour to sleep and bang alarm for gym went off. I feel rested but know woth only 6 hours of consistent sleep I'm missing out.Quote:
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I go home today ill cut it out and add them one at a time to see what happens, I appreciate your time !Quote:
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I have no alarms to wake up to - very thankfully
But, on some nights I’m getting closer to six hours - I always try to push for that seven hour minimum. 8+ and I feel golden
But, I’m far from normal & am very lucky to even have this sleep schedule - even on a handful of meds
7 seems like the ideal minimum
What this guy said...!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughinn
Personally, in my advanced age (55 yo), I don't sleep like I used to 30 yrs ago. Being on gear only exacerbates the issue...
I'm curious, regarding yours age, what type of gear are you using? Do you maybe have some medical condition (hbp, etc) and still use it? Thanks.Quote:
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I am on Test with a bit of Mast E and Deca currently.Quote:
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I run what I see on the forum here as conservative / low doses. I get the results I am after, without loading up on the gear. At my age, it is a game of working around and avoiding injuries, as well as staying in shape.
As far as any health condition/s is concerned; I am unaware of anything, as of my last check up.
Good luck out there.
I didn't read all the posts above, but seemed like mostly good advice. I would add that testosterone and gaining weight increase your propensity for obstructive sleep apnea (OSA, the most common form). Download Sleep Lab app, or something similar, on your smartphone as a diagnostic starting point. From there you may need to buy an auto PAP (APAP) or get prescribed a CPAP.
In addition, or if sleep apnea not present, ask for a very commonly prescribed non addictive medicine called trazadone. Melatonin is solid, but for me it helped me get to sleep but not stay asleep. Obviously avoid caffeine and alcohol prior to bed.
One thing to also note is that tren causes insomnia for many people, including myself. Testosterone is generally well tolerated.
I never had sleeping issues like I do now, post my brain hemorrhage/stroke
It just doesn’t turn off - I can’t fall asleep naturally anymore at all
Before - even on roids, I’d sleep ok - popped a .5mg xAnax randomly - other nites, if I didn’t drink I’d sleep well - as long as I wasn’t on tren < naturally at most I was able to get in 5-6 hours