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    Having trouble staying asleep

    Hi all,

    Currently running t400 and can't seem to stay asleep, I work out regularly and have a extremely physical job.

    I can maybe sleep 5 hours straight and wake up either for no reason or just extreme aroused.

    Would you lower dose? Or any tips to stay asleep, I have a fairly complex vitamin regimen as well but seems it's only been lately. Before taking test & hcg I could sleep 10 hours no problem.

    Thank you.

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    Have you tried 50mg of benedryl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    Hi all,

    Currently running t400 and can't seem to stay asleep, I work out regularly and have a extremely physical job.

    I can maybe sleep 5 hours straight and wake up either for no reason or just extreme aroused.

    Would you lower dose? Or any tips to stay asleep, I have a fairly complex vitamin regimen as well but seems it's only been lately. Before taking test & hcg I could sleep 10 hours no problem.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Have you tried 50mg of benedryl?
    Honkey gave some good advice there. Benadryl can help alot.

    As far your supplements, I'd be much more inclined to believe it's somewhere in your vitamin cocktail than the testosterone . The thing with testosterone is that it changes your hormone balance drastically. And that can change how your body reacts to other supplements and even some foods and medications.

    You really don't need alot of vitamins if you eat right. You might try to cut out the extra unnecessary vitamins and try some benadryl. Give it a week or so and see if tat does it, then slowly incorporate just the basics back in if you want to. B12, C, D and E ought to be more than adequate. If any at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Have you tried 50mg of benedryl?
    Never even crossed my mind I actually tried mk677 but made me feel lethargic ill try that when I get home this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Honkey gave some good advice there. Benadryl can help alot.

    As far your supplements, I'd be much more inclined to believe it's somewhere in your vitamin cocktail than the testosterone .

    You really don't need alot of vitamins if you eat right. You might try to cut out the extra unnecessary vitamins and try some benadryl. Give it a week or so and see if tat does it, then slowly incorporate just the basics back in if you want to. B12, C, D and E ought to be more than adequate. If any at all
    I'm going to try it, I take omega 3-6-9,milk thistle; lysine, vit d, vit C, vit b12, turmeric, cucmin and in forgetting one off the top.

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    If you’re trying to stay natural - as far as sleep meds go > magnesium with melatonin work well, if taken about 30 mins before bed
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    I have bad sleep every time I’m on a cycle. It’s definitely the testosterone . 5 hours isn’t that bad... keep some melatonin by your bedside and if you wake up, take one.
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    How many weeks have you been on?
    What is your weekly dosage?

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    Try a GABA (750mg) and Melatonin (3mg) cocktail 30min before bed if none of the above methods work. Works for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by < > View Post
    If youíre trying to stay natural - as far as sleep meds go > magnesium with melatonin work well, if taken about 30 mins before bed
    Perfect i trt melatonin for nightshift and didn't want to abuse it but seems maybe inhave too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    How many weeks have you been on?
    What is your weekly dosage?
    I switched off trt dose of e250 to t400 split between e4d

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    I switched off trt dose of e250 to t400 split between e4d

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    That does not answer the question of what is your weekly dose.

    How much volume of test E 250mg/ml were you injecting per week?
    How much volume of test ? 400mg/ml were you injecting per week?

    We know vodka is 80 proof (40% alcohol) but if we don't know how much you drank than we won't know how much alcohol you consumed.
    Drinking a glass of vodka delivers far more alcohol than drinking a shot of vodka.
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    Having trouble staying asleep

    Taking 250 1 shot a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    I switched off trt dose of e250 to t400 split between e4d

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    Taking 250 1 shot a week
    How big is the syringe?? Is it 1ml (1cc) or something else?

    You said above you switched to the t400 e4d.
    Now you are saying you are doing 250 1 shot a week.

    Please provide as much accurate information as possible.

    Not trying to be an ass but... you really shouldn't be fooling around with steroids with your level of knowledge on the subject.
    Educate before you medicate.

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    DD, I feel your pain. So many facepalms on this forum, on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    How big is the syringe?? Is it 1ml (1cc) or something else?

    You said above you switched to the t400 e4d.
    Now you are saying you are doing 250 1 shot a week.

    Please provide as much accurate information as possible.

    Not trying to be an ass but... you really shouldn't be fooling around with steroids with your level of knowledge on the subject.
    Educate before you medicate.
    Holy macaroni, you're not an ass I'm explaining terribly.

    1 inch 23g, rotation of sites delts glutes quads


    I was on e 250 1 cc a week and now doing 1/2 cc of t400 e4d


    But face palm away my man my numbers speak for themselves



    I came off as a douche not my intention, it sounded funnier in my head. I'm terrible at multi tasking and I was trying to formulate a witty response in the middle of hectic work day. No excuse and i apologize I do appreciate everyone's time and response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    Holy macaroni, you're not an ass I'm explaining terribly.

    1 inch 23g, rotation of sites delts glutes quads


    I was on e 250 1 cc a week and now doing 1/2 cc of t400 e4d


    But face palm away my man my numbers speak for themselves

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    That ain’t shit

    You should be fine


    You run anything before this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    Holy macaroni, you're not an ass I'm explaining terribly.

    1 inch 23g, rotation of sites delts glutes quads


    I was on e 250 1 cc a week and now doing 1/2 cc of t400 e4d


    But face palm away my man my numbers speak for themselves

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    Dude, it ain't the gear keeping you up at night. Samson gave you some pretty sound advice if you wanted to try a "natural" aid to help you sleep. The Benedryl I suggested should work too, but it's not something you should make a habit out of. Try taking a hot shower before bed and making your room as dark and quiet as possible while you try to sleep.

    If you need more help beyond that, there's things like Ambiens, benzos, SNRIs, etc that you could try, but those all require an RX to get (and you really shouldn't use any of those without being directed to by your doctor).
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    I remember when my neighbor ran juice for no reason & insisted test gave him instant anxiety


    Umm, no - it doesn’t
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    Quote Originally Posted by &lt; &gt; View Post
    That ainít shit

    You should be fine


    You run anything before this?
    I know it isn't shit I don't need to run alot I react well and just trying to keep my strength up while I cut down to be more competitive at a weight class. I also know it doesn't give me anxiety I was just curious if maybe the test prop would cause this since it's half life is far less than eth.

    Again thank you for the advice


    Yes I've ran more than this, in my early 20's I did body building and ran harsh compounds like tren , anadrol & tbol. Hence the later in life trt. I learned my lesson with bro science the hard way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Dude, it ain't the gear keeping you up at night. Samson gave you some pretty sound advice if you wanted to try a "natural" aid to help you sleep. The Benedryl I suggested should work too, but it's not something you should make a habit out of. Try taking a hot shower before bed and making your room as dark and quiet as possible while you try to sleep.

    If you need more help beyond that, there's things like Ambiens, benzos, SNRIs, etc that you could try, but those all require an RX to get (and you really shouldn't use any of those without being directed to by your doctor).
    It doesn't keep me up at night i find i wake up earlier, I go to sleep and sleep just fine just instead of waking up with my alarm I wake up with a stage 5 boner and can't go to sleep when at home it's fine because u wake up my girlfriend do the deed and back to bed. I just found I've had trouble staying asleep past 6 hours without waking up harder than a diamond.

    I will try it, like I said thank you for your advice and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    I know it isn't shit I don't need to run alot I react well and just trying to keep my strength up while I cut down to be more competitive at a weight class. I also know it doesn't give me anxiety I was just curious if maybe the test prop would cause this since it's half life is far less than eth.

    Again thank you for the advice


    Yes I've ran more than this, in my early 20's I did body building and ran harsh compounds like tren , anadrol & tbol. Hence the later in life trt. I learned my lesson with bro science the hard way.
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    Gotcha

    Sounds like other stressors of life

    But, I’m no psychiatrist


    The magnesium & melatonin combo works well for my wife

    Unfortunately, I require fairly have sedation to reach sleep < you want to try your best to stay away from that being a necessity
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    Hi all,


    Would you lower dose? Or any tips to stay asleep, I have a fairly complex vitamin regimen as well but seems it's only been lately. Before taking test & hcg I could sleep 10 hours no problem.

    Thank you.

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    I don't think that you will find many guys here on the forum who would advise this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    I'm going to try it, I take omega 3-6-9,milk thistle; lysine, vit d, vit C, vit b12, turmeric, cucmin and in forgetting one off the top.

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    Some of those things can cause a boost in metabolism. Of course along with that can come restlessness , sleeplessness and anxiety.

    The boners are in all likelihood the testosterone . Anything upward of about 400 makes me a walking erection. But in my opinion, whether it's 250 or 400 test weekly, that shouldn't cause bad insomnia or sleeplessness. But you may find yourself hunching on your pillow or your wife's leg while you sleep. Been there done that.

    I'd personally examine your vitamin cocktail.

    If that doesn't work you could always jump to my personal go to - and down a pint of Jim beam, get laid real good and rattle the walls snoring for about 10 hours. Works everytime for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by < > View Post
    Gotcha

    Sounds like other stressors of life

    But, Iím no psychiatrist


    The magnesium & melatonin combo works well for my wife

    Unfortunately, I require fairly have sedation to reach sleep < you want to try your best to stay away from that being a necessity
    I will try it, happened again today and I had my shot wedneday morning. Woke up at 230 took about half hour to sleep and bang alarm for gym went off. I feel rested but know woth only 6 hours of consistent sleep I'm missing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Some of those things can cause a boost in metabolism. Of course along with that can come restlessness , sleeplessness and anxiety.

    The boners are in all likelihood the testosterone . Anything upward of about 400 makes me a walking erection. But in my opinion, whether it's 250 or 400 test weekly, that shouldn't cause bad insomnia or sleeplessness. But you may find yourself hunching on your pillow or your wife's leg while you sleep. Been there done that.

    I'd personally examine your vitamin cocktail.

    If that doesn't work you could always jump to my personal go to - and down a pint of Jim beam, get laid real good and rattle the walls snoring for about 10 hours. Works everytime for me.
    I go home today ill cut it out and add them one at a time to see what happens, I appreciate your time !

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanisle4x4 View Post
    I feel rested but know woth only 6 hours of consistent sleep I'm missing out

    I have no alarms to wake up to - very thankfully

    But, on some nights I’m getting closer to six hours - I always try to push for that seven hour minimum. 8+ and I feel golden

    But, I’m far from normal & am very lucky to even have this sleep schedule - even on a handful of meds

    7 seems like the ideal minimum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Some of those things can cause a boost in metabolism. Of course along with that can come restlessness , sleeplessness and anxiety.

    The boners are in all likelihood the testosterone . Anything upward of about 400 makes me a walking erection. But in my opinion, whether it's 250 or 400 test weekly, that shouldn't cause bad insomnia or sleeplessness. But you may find yourself hunching on your pillow or your wife's leg while you sleep. Been there done that.

    I'd personally examine your vitamin cocktail.

    If that doesn't work you could always jump to my personal go to - and down a pint of Jim beam, get laid real good and rattle the walls snoring for about 10 hours. Works everytime for me.
    What this guy said...!!!

    Personally, in my advanced age (55 yo), I don't sleep like I used to 30 yrs ago. Being on gear only exacerbates the issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    What this guy said...!!!

    Personally, in my advanced age (55 yo), I don't sleep like I used to 30 yrs ago. Being on gear only exacerbates the issue...
    I'm curious, regarding yours age, what type of gear are you using? Do you maybe have some medical condition (hbp, etc) and still use it? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrgaland View Post
    I'm curious, regarding yours age, what type of gear are you using? Do you maybe have some medical condition (hbp, etc) and still use it? Thanks.
    I am on Test with a bit of Mast E and Deca currently.

    I run what I see on the forum here as conservative / low doses. I get the results I am after, without loading up on the gear. At my age, it is a game of working around and avoiding injuries, as well as staying in shape.

    As far as any health condition/s is concerned; I am unaware of anything, as of my last check up.

    Good luck out there.

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    I didn't read all the posts above, but seemed like mostly good advice. I would add that testosterone and gaining weight increase your propensity for obstructive sleep apnea (OSA, the most common form). Download Sleep Lab app, or something similar, on your smartphone as a diagnostic starting point. From there you may need to buy an auto PAP (APAP) or get prescribed a CPAP.

    In addition, or if sleep apnea not present, ask for a very commonly prescribed non addictive medicine called trazadone. Melatonin is solid, but for me it helped me get to sleep but not stay asleep. Obviously avoid caffeine and alcohol prior to bed.

    One thing to also note is that tren causes insomnia for many people, including myself. Testosterone is generally well tolerated.

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    I never had sleeping issues like I do now, post my brain hemorrhage/stroke

    It just doesn’t turn off - I can’t fall asleep naturally anymore at all

    Before - even on roids, I’d sleep ok - popped a .5mg xAnax randomly - other nites, if I didn’t drink I’d sleep well - as long as I wasn’t on tren < naturally at most I was able to get in 5-6 hours

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