Testosterone E + Deca cycle

[King_ragnar]

Hello guys, i am Alex and i am 28 years old. I am on pct now after an Only testo E cycle (250mg 2 times per week), i am 80kg at this moment. I am thinking for my next cycle to use Testo E and deca ( Testo 500mg every week and Deca 300mg 1 day a week).

I will use Arimidex 0,5mg every other day
i will use proviron 25-50mg every day

what's your opinion about that??

i am working out 5 times per week and at this moment i am eating about 4000 calories
i am working out about 12 years (but only 3 years doing proper workouts)

Is it ok for pct just use Nolva???

[Cylon357]

Hello guys, i am Alex and i am 28 years old. I am on pct now after an Only testo E cycle (250mg 2 times per week), i am 80kg at this moment. I am thinking for my next cycle to use Testo E and deca ( Testo 500mg every week and Deca 300mg 1 day a week).

I will use Arimidex 0,5mg every other day
i will use proviron 25-50mg every day

what's your opinion about that??

i am working out 5 times per week and at this moment i am eating about 4000 calories
i am working out about 12 years (but only 3 years doing proper workouts)

Is it ok for pct just use Nolva???

If you were going to just use one serm for pct, I personally would prefer to see enclomiphene. Better still, enclomiphene and nolvadex.

Nothing wrong with test and deca, it's a bread and butter stack. I personally would inject twice per week, just to keep peaks and valleys a little more even.

That seems like a lot of adex... do you really need that much? Even if you did on your first cycle, you may not with the proviron. I would say keep the adex on hand, but only use it if high estrogen sides start. Proviron is the world's best wingman.

[King_ragnar]

If you were going to just use one serm for pct, I personally would prefer to see enclomiphene. Better still, enclomiphene and nolvadex.

Nothing wrong with test and deca, it's a bread and butter stack. I personally would inject twice per week, just to keep peaks and valleys a little more even.

That seems like a lot of adex... do you really need that much? Even if you did on your first cycle, you may not with the proviron. I would say keep the adex on hand, but only use it if high estrogen sides start. Proviron is the world's best wingman.

Thank you for your answer, i was worried about deca dick that's why i will use proviron, you think it is enough and i just should use adex if i really needed??

so inject deca twice (150-150) with testo together?
At my last cycle i did dex 0,5 every other day yeah, so with proviron i dont reallt need so much

proviron is it ok at 50mg??

Or you think is more safe to do first a testo boldenone cycle and then try for something stronger??

[Cylon357]

Thank you for your answer, i was worried about deca dick that's why i will use proviron, you think it is enough and i just should use adex if i really needed??

so inject deca twice (150-150) with testo together?
At my last cycle i did dex 0,5 every other day yeah, so with proviron i dont reallt need so much

proviron is it ok at 50mg??

Or you think is more safe to do first a testo boldenone cycle and then try for something stronger??

Including a DHT is usually all that is needed to combat deca dick. Proviron at 50mg might not be enough, but it might, you really won't know until you try. You will see a lot of people including something like Masteron or Primo with their 19-nors as well.

Another thing to watch out for with the 19-nors is potential prolactin issues. P5P and Vitamin E can lower prolactin some, you might include those pre-emptively. They won't hurt. Caber is a stronger prescription drug, I would NOT start it pro-actively, but maybe keep it on hand just in case.

Alternately, if you wanted to keep it simple, you could just use more test, with maybe an oral kick start. If you are cutting, 40 to 50mg of anavar is a good choice, if bulking dianabol at 20 to 30mg per day would be good. Split in two doses per day AM and PM. Run either for 6 weeks max. These are conservative numbers based on being your first time with them.

[Honkey_Kong]

Including a DHT is usually all that is needed to combat deca dick. Proviron at 50mg might not be enough, but it might, you really won't know until you try. You will see a lot of people including something like Masteron or Primo with their 19-nors as well.

Another thing to watch out for with the 19-nors is potential prolactin issues. P5P and Vitamin E can lower prolactin some, you might include those pre-emptively. They won't hurt. Caber is a stronger prescription drug, I would NOT start it pro-actively, but maybe keep it on hand just in case.

Alternately, if you wanted to keep it simple, you could just use more test, with maybe an oral kick start. If you are cutting, 40 to 50mg of anavar is a good choice, if bulking dianabol at 20 to 30mg per day would be good. Split in two doses per day AM and PM. Run either for 6 weeks max. These are conservative numbers based on being your first time with them.

50mg of proviron worked like a charm for me. You really only want to do enough of a drug to get the desired effect. So I would recommend starting off at 50mg a day (break it up to 2 doses at different times). And if you're having "problems" down there, increase the dosage.

As far as prolactin goes, People overdo the fear of it in regards to using 19-nors. Unless you have bloodwork confirming that your prolactin is high, you shouldn't mess with caber. The rule of thumb with ancillaries is to take just enough to get the job done IF and only IF you need them (because you're experiencing sides). Those drugs also have their own sides and some of them are not very cool. In addition to their own side effects, they also have potential drug interactions. That's not really an issue for somebody who is ONLY taking steroids, but there are a lot of guys who also take antipsychotics or SSRIs and they do need to check that out.

I'm willing to wager nearly every time somebody thinks they're having a 19-nor prolactin issue, it's really the fact that they have low DHT levels. So taking a DHT derivative will help with that a lot. But that's a speculation of mine. If somebody gets bloodwork during the cycle, they can see if it's estrogen or prolactin levels and eliminate a lot of the guessing.

Remember most people are not getting bloodwork before or after a cycle and they certainly are not getting bloodwork during a cycle. I believe the bloodwork should be planned out and money set aside to buy them while you're planning the cycle. If you can't afford the bloodwork, you probably shouldn't be running the cycle. And for most people access to labs is pretty easy these days. You can find site selling various blood tests at popular lab chains. And yeah, they can be expensive, but the endocrinologists you'll be paying to see afterwards (when your dick doesn't work after your cycle) is more expensive.

[King_ragnar]

Including a DHT is usually all that is needed to combat deca dick. Proviron at 50mg might not be enough, but it might, you really won't know until you try. You will see a lot of people including something like Masteron or Primo with their 19-nors as well.

Another thing to watch out for with the 19-nors is potential prolactin issues. P5P and Vitamin E can lower prolactin some, you might include those pre-emptively. They won't hurt. Caber is a stronger prescription drug, I would NOT start it pro-actively, but maybe keep it on hand just in case.

Alternately, if you wanted to keep it simple, you could just use more test, with maybe an oral kick start. If you are cutting, 40 to 50mg of anavar is a good choice, if bulking dianabol at 20 to 30mg per day would be good. Split in two doses per day AM and PM. Run either for 6 weeks max. These are conservative numbers based on being your first time with them.

Thank you brother for everything, yeah i want to keep it simple so you think just test and dianabol will help me to bulk up a little more?? For example 600mg test every week and 20mg dianabol (10-10 morning and night) will be ok??

6 weeks both of them or should i stop dianabol earlier??

And if i can find only Nolva or clomid which one you think is better for my pct??

can i use something like dianabol but without keeping so much water on me??

[Honkey_Kong]

Thank you brother for everything, yeah i want to keep it simple so you think just test and dianabol will help me to bulk up a little more?? For example 600mg test every week and 20mg dianabol (10-10 morning and night) will be ok??

6 weeks both of them or should i stop dianabol earlier??

And if i can find only Nolva or clomid which one you think is better for my pct??

can i use something like dianabol but without keeping so much water on me??

I would bother with dianabol. You'll bloat up on it and as quickly as you make those gains, you'll lose them just the same when you come off. Plus for me, it would make me sick to my stomach and the older I got, the worse it was. Last time I ran it, I couldn't keep food down. I'd just get bad nausea and then I'd be hugging the toilet.

I don't know how much cycle experience you have, but I always loved doing a test+deca cycle. You'll probably want to throw in a DHT so that your dick works. So I would use proviron throughout (although primo works great too). You could use masteron too (although I probably wouldn't), but a lot of the hardening effects would likely be for not and it's expensive.

[Cylon357]

Thank you brother for everything, yeah i want to keep it simple so you think just test and dianabol will help me to bulk up a little more?? For example 600mg test every week and 20mg dianabol (10-10 morning and night) will be ok??

6 weeks both of them or should i stop dianabol earlier??

And if i can find only Nolva or clomid which one you think is better for my pct??

can i use something like dianabol but without keeping so much water on me??

Run both the test and the oral for the first 6 weeks, then drop the oral and continue with the test for another 10 weeks, plus or minus. The reason for doing this is to give you some oomph on the front end of the cycle while the test kicks in, assuming a longer ester like C or E.

10am and 10pm is fine.

Skipping the PCT question for the moment...

Turinabol is SORT OF like dbol only drier. I personally have pretty significant acid reflux with tbol, though.

Now, back to the PCT question.

"What if i can only get nolva OR clomid?" I've been hearing this a lot lately, and I'm like man, just dig a little. There is no reason to not be able to lay hands on BOTH enclo (clomid if you prefer) and nolvadex. No reason at all. There is a write up on enclo here that does a LOT of leg work. Easy peasy. All of these drugs are available readily as either research chemicals or non US pharma.

Now, CAN you PCT with just one? Sure. Read the planning my first cycle sticky for synergies and why you should use both.

[tarmyg]

I am extremely sensitive to “deca dick” and on my fourth deca try I found what works for me. I was on 500mg test and 500mg deca and using 1mg of cabergoline ED was the only thing I have found to be working for me personally. As always, we all respond differently so this might not at all be what you need or works for you.

Edit: fixed wrong medication

[charger69]

The Dbol has its benefits and weaknesses. I like the Tbol recommendation.
I really am an anadrol fan. It makes me thick. I have even used it right up to a competition which is unheard of.


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