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Originally Posted by cb25
A lot of people look to steroids as a magic pill/inject. The study you quote (if you've got a reference, please post it, as i'd like to read it) shows this to work. However, it does not include any follow up to see if they retained any of the muscle post-cycle.
As far as your experience, you may be seeing great results in a very short period of time. This is not true for everyone. You also must remember that "great results" for one person is not "great results" for another. You may have a different idea of great results than someone else. Maybe you're satisfied with what you're seeing - if so, good. That's the idea. But someone who has seen results from AS before and has seen the potential of using it combined with serious diet and training may have a different viewpoint of "great results." And yea, if you're on a cycle and doing some training every day, you'll probably see some results - but that doesn't mean you're maximizing them. Naturally, if you're putting AS into your body, spending your money, manipulating your body chemistry, playing with your life...then i would assume you'd want to get the most out of it, and not waste anything.
Apparently, http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/335/1/1
The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men
Shalender Bhasin, M.D., Thomas W. Storer, Ph.D., Nancy Berman, Ph.D., Carlos Callegari, M.D., Brenda Clevenger, B.A., Jeffrey Phillips, M.D., Thomas J. Bunnell, B.A., Ray Tricker, Ph.D., Aida Shirazi, R.Ph., and Richard Casaburi, Ph.D., M.D.
ABSTRACT
Background Athletes often take androgenic steroids in an attempt to increase their strength. The efficacy of these substances for this purpose is unsubstantiated, however.
Methods We randomly assigned 43 normal men to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise, testosterone with no exercise, placebo plus exercise, and testosterone plus exercise. The men received injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate or placebo weekly for 10 weeks. The men in the exercise groups performed standardized weight-lifting exercises three times weekly. Before and after the treatment period, fat-free mass was determined by underwater weighing, muscle size was measured by magnetic resonance imaging, and the strength of the arms and legs was assessed by bench-press and squatting exercises, respectively.
Results Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [±SE] change in triceps area, 424±104 vs. -81±109 mm2; P<0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607±123 vs. -131±111 mm2; P<0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9±4 vs. -1±1 kg, P<0.05) and squatting exercises (16±4 vs. 3±1 kg, P<0.05). The men assigned to testosterone and exercise had greater increases in fat-free mass (6.1±0.6 kg) and muscle size (triceps area, 501±104 mm2; quadriceps area, 1174±91 mm2) than those assigned to either no-exercise group, and greater increases in muscle strength (bench-press strength, 22±2 kg; squatting-exercise capacity, 38±4 kg) than either no-exercise group. Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group.
Conclusions Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.