Fasting. anyone know about ramadan?

[felixno9]

So heres the deal. Im muslim and Ramadan is coming up soon. This is our holly month where you fast from sun up to sun down. no food, water, cigertes, kissing, etc... This is usually never a problem for me, it is not hard to fast, but this year i have really been reading a lot on diet, and have cleaned up my diet big time, 6-8 meals a day, counted cals for blk and cutting, and am happy doing so cuz i have the knowledge behind it all, but with the fast it is going to throw a monkey wrentch into the picture.

While fasting we can't eat fromsun rise until sun set which is around 7:30 here in ohio. I was wondering, what would be the best way to avoid damage. I know my body will go into a stravation mode and slow my metablism, store more fats. But when i can eat, should i still stick to the 40/40/20 split, or would it be wiser to eat more carbs and les fats during my feeding time, haha. Just wondering about how to keep my body best fuel for the daytime when i won't be eating, i would like to minimize my body using my muscles for fuel. Also what would be a good cal intake, since tying to get in 2500 in only a few hours probably be counterproductive since my metablism will already be slow, should i beable to drop it to 1500 and be fine?

Any thoughts on this, I guess if anything i can just count it as one hell of a shocker for the body loool, but i have ben doing very good and am going o hate falling off track.

[JohnboyF]

Hey Salam bro,

here is a similar thread that should address your question.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=257260


its a good thread with ideas. I'm going to eat 2 cups of oats at 5am then only 1 cup of rice in the evening when i break my fast and head to the gym followed by shake, tuna and broccoli every hour for about 3 meals.

[zodiac666]

thats very unhealthy to go sunrise to sunset with no water, especially if you have a physical job. just make sure you chug plenty of water an hour or so before you go to the gym. also, eating most of your calories in the few hours before you go to bed is a good way to add bodyfat.

i think going by these rules for 30 days would be every bodybuilders nightmare.

[JohnboyF]

It's a way of life. So i dont really care. I have done it the past and maintained my body weight...if you have nothing postive to say don't say it plain and simple. If your doing cardio and eating right you will be fine.

felix, read the thread above bro really good suggestions from carlos,nark and myself.

[zimmy]

thats very unhealthy to go sunrise to sunset with no water, especially if you have a physical job. just make sure you chug plenty of water an hour or so before you go to the gym. also, eating most of your calories in the few hours before you go to bed is a good way to add bodyfat.

i think going by these rules for 30 days would be every bodybuilders nightmare.

yah...actually it's allowed to have food or water if it's needed for medical reasons or because of other problems relating to it.

[zodiac666]

if you have nothing postive to say don't say it plain and simple.

the positive part of my post was me reminding him to drink plenty of water before he works out. we had a few workers die in afghanistan, i had to guard them while they put up a brick building during ramadan. it was about 120 degrees and they wouldnt drink water. 1 of the guys i was guarding died from heatstroke/dehydration or whatever, and a few more died around post in the next few weeks. just listen to your body, it would be better to drink water than die.

[JohnboyF]

Thanks sorry to seem like dick... but yea thats my plan . Drink 2L in the morn and just continue after sunset 7ish

[felixno9]

thanks for thelink. I guess i know what i really have to do, It's good to know there are actually others out there who are going to have to deal wit the same shit though. I figure i am just goign to keep my cals a bit lower cuz my metabolism will be running slower and i dont want ot put on too muc body fat, but i am on a bulk so the fat is expected and i will get ride of what eer i got come Jan-Feb.

good luck to you bro, hope we can keep it semi decent this ramdan.

[Warrior]

Ramadan Kareem, unless your a Shiekh with the luxury of sleeping all day long, Ramadan has got to be a tough thing to do as a bodybuilder - but I have seen some seriously jacked Arabs, so I am sure it is possible to get away with...

[DNoMac]

Ramadan Kareem, unless your a Shiekh with the luxury of sleeping all day long, Ramadan has got to be a tough thing to do as a bodybuilder - but I have seen some seriously jacked Arabs, so I am sure it is possible to get away with...

They might not be muslim. Not all arabs are muslim. I wonder if Ahmad Haidar(sp?) is? Not a practicing one if he is...

[C_Bino]

I would take in as much fat as I could in the morning, keeping digestion slow. I would probably have a breakfast filled with eggs and steak etc and skip on the egg whites for the month. Than IMMEDIATELY before sun up I would probably have a casein shake with EFA's in it.

I have never done this fasting so this is the best advice I can give.

[kronickid88]

Dumb practice.

[JohnboyF]

Dumb practice.

[IBdmfkr]

I'd also consider cutting training back to possibly 1-2times/wk extremely high intensity. Otherwise just rest and concentrate on meals and your everyday life. The off-time may actually help you.

[JohnboyF]

Hey, I**

I was actually going to PM you about this.... but i will ask this in the forum...


Okay today is day i had meal 1 at 6am meal 2 isnt till about 7...

as you know (no food or water inbetween these times)
IF you were to do cardio at 6pm would that be considier empty stomach? i would assume so...

[IBdmfkr]

I wouldn't suggest it without any fluids all day.. if you were to go this route then take BCAA's precardio with say 1liter of water, otherwise wait until 7pm and do it. You will be in a catabolic state and could possibly lose a lot of LBM in doing this. Coming off 8hrs of sleep is different your body is recoverying and repairing tissue whereas during the day when you're awake you are burning calories and constantly moving around. You'd be better off doing it first thing in the morning and then having your meal.. Personally I'd wake up at say midnight and take a meal, then at like 3-3:30am do cardio.. Eat at 4am, then eat a huge meal at 6am.

[JohnboyF]

Great post....BUMP!!

[Warrior]

They might not be muslim. Not all arabs are muslim. I wonder if Ahmad Haidar(sp?) is? Not a practicing one if he is...

Right - but I know a few jacked Muslim Arabs. I saw a bodybuilding show in the Middle East - Egypt and Jordan took names, both predominatly Muslim. They were about a level off from being pros...

[*Narkissos*]

I would take in as much fat as I could in the morning, keeping digestion slow. I would probably have a breakfast filled with eggs and steak etc and skip on the egg whites for the month. Than IMMEDIATELY before sun up I would probably have a casein shake with EFA's in it.

I have never done this fasting so this is the best advice I can give.

I'm working with two athletes during this month.. I'm advising much of the same... I'm advising they load up on the protein with supporting dietary fat plus enough carbs to support mental function.

It won't be easy.. but it's doable.

Fats to slow gastric emptying...but not necessarily supplemental fats. 40-50 % of the daily protein requirement.. 25% of the daily carb allotment (depending on sateity post-protein ingestion.. I'd have the athlete split the carb intake over unprocessed carbs and veggies)..supplemental anti-oxidants + b-complex vitamins. With 40-50% of the daily protein allotment being ingested in meal 1.. supplemental fat would be unnecessary (give that the protein of choice will have adequate fat consumed in the above mentioned manner). Carb intake split to provide additional fiber.. supplemental anti-oxidants to reduce oxidative damage generated by higher fat ingestion/metabolism. B-complex vitamins to assist in the production of energy from food ingested.

At the end of the fast day (meal 1-1 &1/2 hr pre-training).. 50% of the daily carb allotment will be consumed.. with a small amount of protein +BCAAs (protein consumed to promote better insulin response.. and to promote anabolic environment)... no supplemental fat. Fat only as a by-product of protein source ingestion.

Post training..and the meal following, the remaing carb and protein allotment can be administered.

Training: I think cardio will place too high of a physical demand personally. So i think it shoul dbe avoided during this month. I don't think two high intensity sessions would be advised either.. unless within I B D's definition of high intensity there exists a very very short duration advised with regard to session length.

Personally i think Moderate intensity; short duration.. 'maintenance training' is the way to go.

Let your body rest but not degenerate imo.

Use this time as it's meant to be used: to get in tune with one's spirit

Narkissos

[JohnboyF]

I'm working with two athletes during this month.. I'm advising much of the same... I'm advising they load up on the protein with supporting dietary fat plus enough carbs to support mental function.

It won't be easy.. but it's doable.

Fats to slow gastric emptying...but not necessarily supplemental fats. 40-50 % of the daily protein requirement.. 25% of the daily carb allotment (depending on sateity post-protein ingestion.. I'd have the athlete split the carb intake over unprocessed carbs and veggies)..supplemental anti-oxidants + b-complex vitamins. With 40-50% of the daily protein allotment being ingested in meal 1.. supplemental fat would be unnecessary (give that the protein of choice will have adequate fat consumed in the above mentioned manner). Carb intake split to provide additional fiber.. supplemental anti-oxidants to reduce oxidative damage generated by higher fat ingestion/metabolism. B-complex vitamins to assist in the production of energy from food ingested.

At the end of the fast day (meal 1-1 &1/2 hr pre-training).. 50% of the daily carb allotment will be consumed.. with a small amount of protein +BCAAs (protein consumed to promote better insulin response.. and to promote anabolic environment)... no supplemental fat. Fat only as a by-product of protein source ingestion.

Post training..and the meal following, the remaing carb and protein allotment can be administered.

Training: I think cardio will place too high of a physical demand personally. So i think it shoul dbe avoided during this month. I don't think two high intensity sessions would be advised either.. unless within I B D's definition of high intensity there exists a very very short duration advised with regard to session length.

Personally i think Moderate intensity; short duration.. 'maintenance training' is the way to go.

Let your body rest but not degenerate imo.

Use this time as it's meant to be used: to get in tune with one's spirit

Narkissos

Excellent post. Nark!

No cardio eh? I can see it i mean today is day 2. Hunger is fine just I have 0 energy. Plus im sick like a dog that doesnt help. But mouth is really really dry. Ah welll guess it practise for future shows...

Greatposts though both of you gusy

[*Narkissos*]

no prob my friend.. hope it goes well for you