Tren/Test Prop/Deca Cycle??

[KwevvaBoy]

Hi everyone I'm new here but I've browsed quit a bit over the past few years. I have done 3 cycles, my first just test enan., about 4 years ago, then I did two cycles of Deca/Eq (yes, now I know not a great cycle at all, although I did put on about 15 pounds solid muscle). For my next cycle my friend is recommending I stach Tren, test prop and deca. It seems like it may be a bad idea to include the deca with the Tren, he suggested Winny instead of deca, would this be a better option? Also he said all I need is Arimidex and Clomid and I'm set, but after doing some research I'm reading different stuff! Also any help on dosages would be greatly appreciated!

[ChuckLee]

Stacking deca and tren together is a bad idea, they are both 19-nor and they will shut down you natty test production quite heavily, so I also will suggest to use winny instead of deca.
Have you planned a PCT?

[taiboxa]

Stacking deca and tren together is a bad idea, they are both 19-nor and they will shut down you natty test production quite heavily, so I also will suggest to use winny instead of deca.
Have you planned a PCT?

uhh.. theres ONLY one degree of SHUT DOWN and even TEST does that.
Shutdown is usually referred to as the proces where one's endogenous testosterone production ceases due to the introduction of an exogenous hormone.

its not like you can have NEGATIVE test production..

just because they are similar compounds does NOT mean its bad idea to use them in conjunction.

THE ONLY reason people parrot they are a bad idea (which you even failed to mention) is that they both stimulate Progesterone recepters ... deca is about a 20% increase and tren is bout a 60% (still dose dependent)

this does not MEAN THEY ARE CUMULATIVE i.e. 200mg deca + 200mg Tren = 80% pgr increase..

infact i love running deca w/ my tren. tren seems to dry out my connective tissues and make my muscles very dry and prone to injury.. decas increase in synovial fliud and water retention seems to alleviate these issues very effectively

[mx3]

uhh.. theres ONLY one degree of SHUT DOWN and even TEST does that.
Shutdown is usually referred to as the proces where one's endogenous testosterone production ceases due to the introduction of an exogenous hormone.

its not like you can have NEGATIVE test production..

just because they are similar compounds does NOT mean its bad idea to use them in conjunction.

THE ONLY reason people parrot they are a bad idea (which you even failed to mention) is that they both stimulate Progesterone recepters ... deca is about a 20% increase and tren is bout a 60% (still dose dependent)

this does not MEAN THEY ARE CUMULATIVE i.e. 200mg deca + 200mg Tren = 80% pgr increase..

infact i love running deca w/ my tren. tren seems to dry out my connective tissues and make my muscles very dry and prone to injury.. decas increase in synovial fliud and water retention seems to alleviate these issues very effectively

so using two 19-nors doesn't raise pgr levels more than if you used one? I am recently a fan of stacking the two together but im trying to peice together why everybody hates running them together if pgr increase is not cumulative and we all know that a small dose of a 19-nor will shut you down completely anyways.

[mx3]

bump for tai.

[taiboxa]

so using two 19-nors doesn't raise pgr levels more than if you used one? I am recently a fan of stacking the two together but im trying to peice together why everybody hates running them together if pgr increase is not cumulative and we all know that a small dose of a 19-nor will shut you down completely anyways.

from all the personal expierences, including my own, this does not seem to be the case. i havnt seen anyone more likely to acquire progest sides from mixing the two as to just running a high ass dose of tren...

i havent seen any studies on this nor do i ever think there will be- since its not exactly a position for of study for medicinal purposes.

[one8nine]

uhh.. theres ONLY one degree of SHUT DOWN and even TEST does that.
Shutdown is usually referred to as the proces where one's endogenous testosterone production ceases due to the introduction of an exogenous hormone.

its not like you can have NEGATIVE test production..

just because they are similar compounds does NOT mean its bad idea to use them in conjunction.

THE ONLY reason people parrot they are a bad idea (which you even failed to mention) is that they both stimulate Progesterone recepters ... deca is about a 20% increase and tren is bout a 60% (still dose dependent)

this does not MEAN THEY ARE CUMULATIVE i.e. 200mg deca + 200mg Tren = 80% pgr increase..

infact i love running deca w/ my tren. tren seems to dry out my connective tissues and make my muscles very dry and prone to injury.. decas increase in synovial fliud and water retention seems to alleviate these issues very effectively

i agree with the science of your post but i have to disagree for myself personally. i have done tren with no deca, deca with no tren, and also deca with tren and i really did not like the side effects i got form the combination cycle, they were much much worse than the other 2 without each other, even with the adition of .25mg letro, and .25mg caber ED

im not saying it wouldnt work for anyone else, more power to you if it does ; im saying i personally had a negative experince with the pair used together.

i believe depending on tolerence and goals either the tren or deca should be replaced with winny, or just removed all together, but with the addition of winny you have test, 19nor and a dht for a nice well rounded cycle.

and you plan clomid and arimidex for PCT? i much prefer nolvadex, i feel that nolvadex does a better job, requires a lower dose, and has less emotional side effects. IMO with access to nolvadex one has no use for clomid

[taiboxa]

so was the tren only less than, greater than or equal to the sum miligrams of when you used them both in conjunction?
also what was ur total test dosage when you were using them together vs using them seperate?

[one8nine]

so was the tren only less than, greater than or equal to the sum miligrams of when you used them both in conjunction?
also what was ur total test dosage when you were using them together vs using them seperate?

sorry i didnt clarify

tren a without deca was 100mg ED

nandro dec. without tren was 600mg/wk

when i did them together, 200mg or 300mg tren E/wk, 200mg deca/wk

[G-1000]

haha tren deca best cycle i have ever run.

T

[KwevvaBoy]

Thank you all for your responses, Tai that is what I thought as well, that when you take just about any AAS your nat. test production is shut down regardless. My only concern was what was mention above about the combined side effects. My next questions are regarding dosages and timing. I have read that it's best to start test a few days before the tren but what about the deca? Should I start the test/deca in conjuction and then a few days later the tren? Also my friend suggested I run the Test Prop. for 40 days injecting EOD with the Tren Ace. (thought you have to inject ED?), at 100mg/test and 50mg/tren per injection and he said run the Deca for ten weeks? This doesn't sound right to me for some reason.

[KwevvaBoy]

Also, should I be taking nolvadex instead of arimidex? When/how much should I take of that and clomid as well? Sorry for all the questions, I've been searching alot but I've been finding many different answers.

[Njord]

Start your tren, test and deca at the same time. I wouldn't run the deca past the test. NPP would be a better option imo with the Tren A and Test P.

[KwevvaBoy]

ok, but is it even useful to only use the tren/test for 40 days??

[KwevvaBoy]

also what would happen if I ran as my friend suggested? I'm assuming I'll have a longer/harder recovery time?

[KwevvaBoy]

Come on there has to be some tren users who are up right now lol

[KwevvaBoy]

Bump

[KwevvaBoy]

Would this be a bad idea -

30MG Test Prop. ED, weeks 1-10
25mg Tren ED, weeks 1-6
300mg deca 2x per week, weeks 1-8 front loaded

[mick86]

Hey KwevvaBoy, I too am fairly new (this is my 1st post) but I have been reading up a bit. Im also about to start a similar cycle so know a bit about the topic. Though im using longer esters (test cypionate & tren enanthate) My word may not hold much weight but 4 wot its worth ill try to answer a few of your questions. From what Ive read tren usage is best limited to 8 weeks at most, so 40 days sounds fine. Im not sure if your saying u plan on running the test for just 40 days also. Though I dont know the length of your cycle I would suggest running the test the full length of your cycle. As for the deca, 10 weeks is a good length, though run the test at least 1-2 weeks longer. The dosages u mentioned sound fine. With the short easter tren and test every second day is ok but the recomnded limit. As for PCT im still deciding on what 2 do with mine. Progesterone control seems 2b the main issue. If I had access to Cabergoline or something simmilar which specificly blocks progestorone I would use it. As I dont, I believe that the next best thing is combining an AI with a SERM. So from what u listed ur better of choosing either Nolva or Clomid (both SERM's) and combinig 1 of those with Armidex(an AI). Dosage for Armidex is 20-25mg per day, for Nolva 20mg-40mg per day for Clomid 150-200mg per day. I suggest starting PCT 2 weeks after your last shot and running for arond 3 tapering down in dosage. Hope at least some that is accurate & of help.

[mx3]

so are you taking 600mg ew of deca? even if you front load the deca it should be ran for 10 wks in my experience.

[mick86]

Sorry tht post wasnt there when I began typing. 600mg pw is the recomended limit for deca and is a little high in conjunction with the tren i think. im thinking about going
week 1-12 500mg test
week 1-10 200mg deca
week 2-7 400mg tren
week 15-17 PCT (mabye Letro and nolva, not sure)
iv heard that with front loading u can shorten the time a little on deca but im not confident. im front loading it at 400 and the test at 800 just 1 week each, though some front load for 2. Im also doing the tren at 250mg just for the 1st week to get a feel for it as ive not done it b4.

[mx3]

Sorry tht post wasnt there when I began typing. 600mg pw is the recomended limit for deca and is a little high in conjunction with the tren i think. im thinking about going
week 1-12 500mg test
week 1-10 200mg deca
week 2-7 400mg tren
week 15-17 PCT (mabye Letro and nolva, not sure)
iv heard that with front loading u can shorten the time a little on deca but im not confident. im front loading it at 400 and the test at 800 just 1 week each, though some front load for 2. Im also doing the tren at 250mg just for the 1st week to get a feel for it as ive not done it b4.

hey bro take this info you posted and start your own thread exactly how you want to run with stats and cycle exp. Its too hard for us to go back and forth between you and the thread starter.

[mick86]

Oh 4 got to add that I may run Dianabol at 35mg per day for the first 2 weeks to kick start things. Not sure though. Dont want 2 go overboard.

[mx3]

Would this be a bad idea -

30MG Test Prop. ED, weeks 1-10
25mg Tren ED, weeks 1-6
300mg deca 2x per week, weeks 1-8 front loaded

what is the dosage per wk of deca do you plan on taking. 300mg or 600mg

[mick86]

K will do that after i get some sleep. I only mentioned it caus KwevvaBoy asked about my deca dosage, seemed eaiser to list the whole cycle so he could compare.

[mx3]

K will do that after i get some sleep. I only mentioned it caus KwevvaBoy asked about my deca dosage, seemed eaiser to list the whole cycle so he could compare.

no worries

[KwevvaBoy]

Sorry for the confusion, I'm taking 300mg per week total....