another n00b question

[Gators]

I know you experienced BB's tire of us beginners asking stupid questions, but...

My stats are:
42 yo
5' 8' 180#, 20% bf

I've been eating clean for the past month or so, doing cardio 6 days a week, and lifting when back permits (been sparse lately). I've been doing a bunch of research lately on a mild steroid that will help me add lean muscle, and burn fat (which will happen more as i add muscle). I just want something to bump me along (i know i have to work hard on diet and workouts) that's safe and want turn my nuts into marbles.

Seems like Primobolan and Var are the two i keep coming back to, they seem mild and safe, and are tabs, which i'm not totally opposed to needles, but can say i'd rather not. Also, will clen wire me out (ephedra makes my skin crawl) and it is good to use in conjunction w/ Primobolan or Var?

Any insight, other than don't.

Thanks
Frank

[dupa95]

Needles are best to aviod liver damage. Not totaly but less toxic to the liver. A single test for 10 12 week will do fine for 1st cycle. for you deit will be every thing so read up and you pct. Everyone nuts shink up different. I do not shut down to hard so they still pretty plump.

[blue_moon]

var and primo? You'll hardly notice anything, for a first cycle maybe something but definitely not worth the cash spent for what your hoping. Get some test, even 50mg of test prop a day is awesome for a first. Or even 100mg eod of prop. I hate cyp and enan because it just gives me too much acne, but that might be a personal issue.

I've heard of Test Prop 20mg tabs around that have a 4 hour half life. If you can get a hold of those, pop 1 5 times a day...

[Gators]

Test huh, that kinda scares me...

A Cigar buddy of mine posted this on a fitness contest thread (on a cigar website), this sounds like he's trying to scare people...

Ok, some facts I want to lay out.

I do not know anything about steroids, nor steroid substitutes. I do not take steroids, unless Muscle Milk contains any that they are not listing in the ingredients.

I highly advise against the consumption of steroids and HGH, for several reasons.

1) Testosterone is produced by your nuts, plain and simple. With induction of foreign testosterone in your body, your nuts will lose it's proprietary purpose and will shrink faster than a poorly washed wool sweater.

2) It will significantly increase your blood pressure, to unhealthy levels, and the possibilities of stroke and heart attacks are not unimaginable.

3) No matter how "safe" a steroid compound is, it will still chemically alter your brain's chemical processes, resulting in commonly called "Roid Rage".

4) Studies showed that production of muscle will draw the calcium from your bones, steroids will increase the depletion of calcium, and make your bones brittle like stale pretzels.

5) HGH is usually extracted from human corpses, and is a good way to contract diseases, especially fatal neurodegenerative diseases such as vCJD, the human version of Mad Cow.

I hope this small tidbits scare enough people to steer away from abusing these substances.

[redz]

Test huh, that kinda scares me...

A Cigar buddy of mine posted this on a fitness contest thread (on a cigar website), this sounds like he's trying to scare people...

Ok, some facts I want to lay out.

I do not know anything about steroids, nor steroid substitutes. I do not take steroids, unless Muscle Milk contains any that they are not listing in the ingredients.

I highly advise against the consumption of steroids and HGH, for several reasons.

1) Testosterone is produced by your nuts, plain and simple. With induction of foreign testosterone in your body, your nuts will lose it's proprietary purpose and will shrink faster than a poorly washed wool sweater.

2) It will significantly increase your blood pressure, to unhealthy levels, and the possibilities of stroke and heart attacks are not unimaginable.

3) No matter how "safe" a steroid compound is, it will still chemically alter your brain's chemical processes, resulting in commonly called "Roid Rage".

4) Studies showed that production of muscle will draw the calcium from your bones, steroids will increase the depletion of calcium, and make your bones brittle like stale pretzels.

5) HGH is usually extracted from human corpses, and is a good way to contract diseases, especially fatal neurodegenerative diseases such as vCJD, the human version of Mad Cow.

I hope this small tidbits scare enough people to steer away from abusing these substances.

That is a load of crap.....
Your nuts only temporarily get smaller (I dont have this side)....
My blood pressure is fine......
Bone density may get stronger if anything from muscle tissue expansion....
HGH should not be grouped with steroids and is syntheticaly produced not extracted from the dead so no disease...
roid rage is a myth...(I`m very calm and in a great mood through my entire cycle)

I could keep going on but that is bs!!!

[wilson9d]

at least he smokes.

[Gators]

b4 i buy, can anyone verify my source, prolly best to do it via pm.

Also, does clen wire ya out

thanks again!

[mick86]

Test huh, that kinda scares me...

A Cigar buddy of mine posted this on a fitness contest thread (on a cigar website), this sounds like he's trying to scare people...

Ok, some facts I want to lay out.

I do not know anything about steroids, nor steroid substitutes. I do not take steroids, unless Muscle Milk contains any that they are not listing in the ingredients.

I highly advise against the consumption of steroids and HGH, for several reasons.

1) Testosterone is produced by your nuts, plain and simple. With induction of foreign testosterone in your body, your nuts will lose it's proprietary purpose and will shrink faster than a poorly washed wool sweater.

2) It will significantly increase your blood pressure, to unhealthy levels, and the possibilities of stroke and heart attacks are not unimaginable.

3) No matter how "safe" a steroid compound is, it will still chemically alter your brain's chemical processes, resulting in commonly called "Roid Rage".

4) Studies showed that production of muscle will draw the calcium from your bones, steroids will increase the depletion of calcium, and make your bones brittle like stale pretzels.

5) HGH is usually extracted from human corpses, and is a good way to contract diseases, especially fatal neurodegenerative diseases such as vCJD, the human version of Mad Cow.

I hope this small tidbits scare enough people to steer away from abusing these substances.

Notice how your friend says "I do not know anything about steroids, nor steroid substitutes" No offence to him but thats an understatement to say the least. The points he listed are a combination of scare tactics with no scientific baises, exerageration and half truths. In my opinion sensible steroid usage is healthier than smoking cigars.
A decent primo and var cycle would cost you quie a bit, and the results would be minimal. Some test at a moderate dose and then some clenbuterol is a better choice in my opinion. Im not sure as to the answer of your question about clen getting you wired, but I imagin it would some what, though less than ephidren and possibly less than ephedra (I dont know much about ephedra). There are other problems associated with clen such as bloodpressure issues so you may want to look into that.
Good luck

[NoobJuice]

shakes on clen , headaches sometimes. Amazing product IMO. I check my BP every morning when on just to make sure everything is in check.
On a side note - you should research this forum and maybe avoid using gear if your not ready. Every person has different side effects. But personally my moods r great when on even better than when im not using. I wake up refreshed and ready for the days challenges, I look better feel better and eat like a champion.

[Njord]

At 20 % bf you shouldn't do any steroids. Continue to focus on your diet and training to help get it lower.

[theWiseOne]

I agree with Njord, you need to lower your bf% to around 14% and then you might want to consider aas again.

[Gators]

My logic is Anavar seems to have some fat burning characteristics, and if i'm putting on more lean muscle mass, then more fat will be burnt? What is the down side of taking it at 20% bf, i've researched best i could, but haven't found any answer.

Also, a pharmacy that advertises on steroid.com says they sell it legally, but it looks like an 'alternative', is that right. How do i find a reputable Pharmacy for gear?

thanks for ya'lls patience

[soulstealer]

My logic is Anavar seems to have some fat burning characteristics, and if i'm putting on more lean muscle mass, then more fat will be burnt? What is the down side of taking it at 20% bf, i've researched best i could, but haven't found any answer.

Also, a pharmacy that advertises on steroid.com says they sell it legally, but it looks like an 'alternative', is that right. How do i find a reputable Pharmacy for gear?

thanks for ya'lls patience

Ya dude stay away for now..... From the sound of your experience with clen and epheda I would say your best bet "IF" you insisted on getting a little bump with weight loss would be something like

HydroxyCut(ephedra free) + T3.... but diet/cardio/weight training is the most important... make sure you have those down above all else...

[Lemonada8]

milk thistle will save ur liver if you decide to do orals not injectable...

[Gators]

I'll give clen a try and see how i react to it. Best i can tell, 3 weeks is all i wanna do to start, then 3 weeks off? Wouldn't hydroxycut and clen really wire me out?

Does the product from the roid store work, or is it a gimmick?

[Lemonada8]

roid store isnt true steroids and they wont say ingredients... everyone here will say gimmick but, hey ur choice...

[soulstealer]

I'll give clen a try and see how i react to it. Best i can tell, 3 weeks is all i wanna do to start, then 3 weeks off? Wouldn't hydroxycut and clen really wire me out?

Does the product from the roid store work, or is it a gimmick?

Dude if you cant handle ephedra clens goona flip your shit.... stay away... thats why I suggested something not as harsh... if you do go with clen keep it low and see how you react to it 2weeks on/2off

[james21]

primo tabs wont hurt your liver, but its wayyyyy cheaper to inject, taking tabs youll spend a fortune. And var is EXTREMELY light on the liver

[Gators]

Dude if you cant handle ephedra clens goona flip your shit.... stay away... thats why I suggested something not as harsh... if you do go with clen keep it low and see how you react to it 2weeks on/2off

When you said Hydroxycut + T3 i thought T3 was Clen.

20 years ago i tried to snort all the 'caine here in FL (bad times), so maybe i can handle Clen, or learn to handle it. I can order a small amount and give it a go and see what happens, i reckon.

Is this real?
http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...roducts_id=106

[longhorn814]

primo tabs wont hurt your liver, but its wayyyyy cheaper to inject, taking tabs youll spend a fortune. And var is EXTREMELY light on the liver

not really, it will still elevate your liver values and destroy your HDL too

[ottomaddox]

I would say that's a major stumbling block, good cholesterol will be desimated while bad cholesterol will sky rocket. Been there and done that before and will never try that again.
Good luck,
CR

destroy your HDL too

[Amorphic]

primo tabs wont hurt your liver, but its wayyyyy cheaper to inject, taking tabs youll spend a fortune. And var is EXTREMELY light on the liver

var is tankish on your lipid profiles though.

[GauchB]

Don't do anything yet if ever at your age. I would do cardio/ some gay shit like pilates or yoga (back permitting). Also have you heard of interval training that would be a great idea for your age looking for primarily weight loss also try swimming good for whole body and easy on back depending on srtoke.

[Gators]

Yeah, i pretty much do HIT for cardio, early in the am, on an empty stomach, then not eat for an hour. I try and get my heart rate to 170 at the peak intensity, and let it get down to 130 during the low intensity part.

I'm pretty much gonna give clen a try and see how i handle it. Now i just gotta find some that's legit. Where can i go to find a listing of legit suppliers?

[Gators]

I didn't read the rules earlier, so sorry for asking about sources.

[Amorphic]

I didn't read the rules earlier, so sorry for asking about sources.

look at the banner on the top right, that is the only 'source' we can talk about.

ar-r has the clen you are thinking about as well