lookin for info!

[MoNSTERoRBE]

so i have 2 10ml vials of test cyp 200, 1 10 ml vial of test e 300, 1 10 ml vial of deca 300. nolva and clomid and hcg for pct (as needed)

looking to run a 15 week cycle.

any recomendations on dosages, and also i was wondering if it made a difference to shoot the test monday and thursday or monday and friday?
and when to shoot the deca?
thanks in advance.

p.s.- 6' 175 8% bf

[LATS60]

What was your last cycle?

[MoNSTERoRBE]

i took a cycle of m1t 2 years ago, short cycle of just dbol about 3 years ago...

[one8nine]

shoot the test 2x a week however you want- 200mg-300mg each shot
test e and test c are the same so you can mix them however you want
shoot the deca 2x a week, 1/2 ml each shot
stop the deca at least 3 weeks, or more, before pct
stop the test exactly 2 weeks before pct
you need letro on cycle
that pct needs proviron or arimidex

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013


please list these things so we can make a custom cycle for you:
age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[N*E*R*D]

i took a cycle of m1t 2 years ago, short cycle of just dbol about 3 years ago...

So if i was you id treat this as your first real cycle. Id keep the cycle at 12 weeks test 500mgs. , as for deca you dont have that much id run it at 300mgs for 10 weeks( you probably will only get 9 weeks out of it) , yes it does make a difference whether its thursday or fridays you shoot (not much of a difference) but to keep your blood levels more stable shoot on thursday.

[one8nine]

So if i was you id treat this as your first real cycle. Id keep the cycle at 12 weeks test 500mgs you might aswell start and finish with test cycp ans you dont have enough test e to run a 12 weeks cycle , as for deca you dont have that much id run it at 300mgs for 10 weeks( you probably will only get 9 weeks out of it) , yes it does make a difference whether its thursday or fridays you shoot (not much of a difference) but to keep your blood levels more stable shoot on thursday.

he can mix the test e or c in if he needs theyre the same really

try to shoot 3.5 days apart

[N*E*R*D]

189 beat me too it. lol

[N*E*R*D]

he can mix the test e or c in if he needs theyre the same really

try to shoot 3.5 days apart

Yeah test is test right(Except sust). I said that as he has enough test cyp to run the full course.

[one8nine]

189 beat me too it. lol

with links
2 points for me

[one8nine]

Yeah test is test right.

except sust sucks

[MoNSTERoRBE]

age 21
height 6'
weight 175
bf 8%
diet 200-300 grams of protein, 4 meals a day 3000-3500 calories
first test cycle
want to gain as much muscle as possible

[Phate]

except sust sucks

what about omnadren, lol

[Flex-Appeal]

i feel the competition getting strong

[N*E*R*D]

except sust sucks

HA HA HA. I'll edit now just for you.

[one8nine]

age 21
height 6'
weight 175
bf 8%
diet 200-300 grams of protein, 4 meals a day 3000-3500 calories
first test cycle
want to gain as much muscle as possible

looks pretty good bro, 175 is a little small for your height but the bf% DEF makes up for that
post up your diet if you want, i can see you know some but if you want we can throw you some advice

[MoNSTERoRBE]

would it make sense to shoot 1cc of test and half a cc of deca (in the same syringe) monday and thursday? or 1 cc of test monday, 1 cc of deca weds, 1 cc of test friday?

[one8nine]

what about omnadren, lol

yes my tag team partner i was waiting on you

i have nightmares that the only gear i can get is SUSTADREN eeeeeeeee

[one8nine]

would it make sense to shoot 1cc of test and half a cc of deca (in the same syringe) monday and thursday? or 1 cc of test monday, 1 cc of deca weds, 1 cc of test friday?

each shot (until you cut deca)
on monday thursday
or tuesday friday

should have 1/2 ml deca, plus 1ml test

[MoNSTERoRBE]

actually my bf was measured at 6.4%, but i dont believe that myself so i say 8%

i do know a good deal about dieting and what not as i weighed 240 just 6 months ago...but now its time to bulk up!

[one8nine]

Yeah test is test right(Except sust). I said that as he has enough test cyp to run the full course.

(assuming hes so good he doesnt lose any juice)-
he only has enough for 8 weeks at 500mg/wk
or 10 weeks at 400mg

but you told him he needs 12 weeks
so he needs the test e =)

[Phate]

yes my tag team partner i was waiting on you

i have nightmares that the only gear i can get is SUSTADREN eeeeeeeee

Lol, i can see our serum levels rising and falling like a yo-yo now

anyway, time for my early morning cardio, have him post his diet and ill critique it when i get back if he wants

[one8nine]

actually my bf was measured at 6.4%, but i dont believe that myself so i say 8%

i do know a good deal about dieting and what not as i weighed 240 just 6 months ago...but now its time to bulk up!

post it up while phates in here!
im sure youre good but he can give you some more options

[MoNSTERoRBE]

just to be 100% clear 1ml of test and 1/2 ml of deca per stab. one on monday and one on thursday.

1.5 cc's wouldnt be too much?

and i know why the test is devided into 2 shots, but why is the deca divided into two shots per week?

[one8nine]

HA HA HA. I'll edit now just for you.

bffls

[one8nine]

just to be 100% clear 1ml of test and 1/2 ml of deca per stab. one on monday and one on thursday.

1.5 cc's wouldnt be too much?

and i know why the test is devided into 2 shots, but why is the deca divided into two shots per week?

yes
ive shot 5ml..
the same exact reason

injection frequency
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

ester weight and active lives
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

[N*E*R*D]

(assuming hes so good he doesnt lose any juice)-
he only has enough for 8 weeks at 500mg/wk
or 10 weeks at 400mg

but you told him he needs 12 weeks
so he needs the test e =)

Damn you 189. Damn Damn Damn you. My bad monsterrobe i misread how much you gear had.

[MoNSTERoRBE]

i usually eat 2-4 eggs, bowl of kashi cereal, and a fruit for breakfast.
protein shake after work out.
chicken breast, lean beef patties, or fish with a hefty serving of veggies for lunch.
then a some kind of sandwhich on light wheat toast for dinner followed by a protein shake

[Phate]

i usually eat 2-4 eggs, bowl of kashi cereal, and a fruit for breakfast.
protein shake after work out.
chicken breast, lean beef patties, or fish with a hefty serving of veggies for lunch.
then a some kind of sandwhich on light wheat toast for dinner followed by a protein shake

can you post amounts?

[LATS60]

just to be 100% clear 1ml of test and 1/2 ml of deca per stab. one on monday and one on thursday.

1.5 cc's wouldnt be too much?

and i know why the test is devided into 2 shots, but why is the deca divided into two shots per week?

No, not if it's in the glute or quad, you dont have to jab the deca 2x wk it's just makes it easy to shoot it with the test in the same barrel.

[MoNSTERoRBE]

thanks too all of you have replied!!

one more question 189, does it matter if i draw the test, and the deca with the same pin?
bc i always change it b4 going in my skin, but i wondered if it mattered while drawing out of the vial?

[MoNSTERoRBE]

sorry phate, i dont really measure amounts..

[one8nine]

No, not if it's in the glute or quad, you dont have to jab the deca 2x wk it's just makes it easy to shoot it with the test in the same barrel.

yes he does
please do some research before giving out bad advice
click the injection frequency/acvive lives thread i posted

[one8nine]

thanks too all of you have replied!!

one more question 189, does it matter if i draw the test, and the deca with the same pin?
bc i always change it b4 going in my skin, but i wondered if it mattered while drawing out of the vial?

just make sure the surfaces are swabbed but thats fine

[MoNSTERoRBE]

thank you 189! best advice ive gotten !

[one8nine]

thank you 189! best advice ive gotten !

did you read my thread on pct?

[Phate]

i usually eat 2-4 eggs, bowl of kashi cereal, and a fruit for breakfast.
cut out the fruit, eat some oatmeal with that, personally though i would get all bran or fiber one cereal, great stuff and make an omelet with 2-3 egg yokes and 5-6 egg whites if you want eggs, gotta get that protein
protein shake after work out.
add sweet potatos 50-60g worth, you need carbs after a workout for glycogen replacement
chicken breast, lean beef patties, or fish with a hefty serving of veggies for
lunch.
not bad, but make sure you're getting enough carbs here, might have to add another carb source
then a some kind of sandwhich on light wheat toast for dinner followed by a
forget the wheat toast, not a good carb source, get some steak or beef with some barley or sweet potatos and veges
protein shake

hope its casein cause whey is useless before bedtime, you can also use cottage cheese here as well and top it with some blueberries or blackberries
k, heres what i would do to make this diet better

[MoNSTERoRBE]

good thing i love sweet potatoes! thanks phate

i guess ive been running away from carbs bc i just dropped more than 60 lbs in 3 months...scared of gaining the wrong weight again.

[MoNSTERoRBE]

reading it as we speak!

[Phate]

good thing i love sweet potatoes! thanks phate

i guess ive been running away from carbs bc i just dropped more than 60 lbs in 3 months...scared of gaining the wrong weight again.

heres the thing, carbs aren't your enemy as long as you use them correctly, especially post workout they can help by drawing protein into the muscle, remember this, the only time carbs will go to fat is when your glycogen stores are full, so post workout there is no way they will go to fat unless you take wayyyy to many

your best carbs are sweet potatos, oatmeal, and barley. next is whole wheat stuff and last is brown rice so try to use sweet potatos as much as possible, they are amazing

[one8nine]

heres the thing, carbs aren't your enemy as long as you use them correctly, especially post workout they can help by drawing protein into the muscle, remember this, the only time carbs will go to fat is when your glycogen stores are full, so post workout there is no way they will go to fat unless you take wayyyy to many

your best carbs are sweet potatos, oatmeal, and barley. next is whole wheat stuff and last is brown rice so try to use sweet potatos as much as possible, they are amazing

where do regular potatoes stack up in there i get like 3 a day, but never sweet potatoes