2nd cycle: dbol/sust/deca

[Bennet87]

I'm 22 years old, 6 foot flat, 80kg (176lbs) been training several years. Did a stupid first cycle of dbol only (40mg 5 weeks) learnt from my mistakes, lost most of it.

I'm in Sydney so it's hard to get gear, but I've obtained:

10mg Dianabol tabs (blue this time not the pink 5mg ones).
picking up deca and sust250 tomorrow.

Also can not find nolva or clomid or any PCT anywhere except arimidex so I'm ordering from lionnutrition or ar-r.com for the liquid form of nolva + clomid (good idea?)

I'm also currently finishing up my accutane cycle (have no side effects whatsoever besides dry lips) so I hope to start asap, it might even overlap but I have Liv52 + milk thistle on hand.

I plan on doing:

Week 1-4/5 50mg Dbol ED
Week 1-12 400-500mg Sust250 split into 2x week shots
Week 1-12 400-500mg Deca each week
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle.

PCT: Nolva + Clomid (not sure of dosages yet, i've read all the damn stickies and posts but they make me confused)

Any suggestions/comments? I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? and Clomid Week XX? Help would be great.

[stallion_1]

I'm 22 years old, 6 foot flat, 80kg (176lbs) been training several years. Did a stupid first cycle of dbol only (40mg 5 weeks) learnt from my mistakes, lost most of it.

I'm in Sydney so it's hard to get gear, but I've obtained:

10mg Dianabol tabs (blue this time not the pink 5mg ones).
picking up deca and sust250 tomorrow.

Also can not find nolva or clomid or any PCT anywhere except arimidex so I'm ordering from lionnutrition or ar-r.com for the liquid form of nolva + clomid (good idea?)

I'm also currently finishing up my accutane cycle (have no side effects whatsoever besides dry lips) so I hope to start asap, it might even overlap but I have Liv52 + milk thistle on hand.

I plan on doing:

Week 1-4/5 50mg Dbol ED
Week 1-12 400-500mg Sust250 split into 2x week shots
Week 1-12 400-500mg Deca each week
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle.

PCT: Nolva + Clomid (not sure of dosages yet, i've read all the damn stickies and posts but they make me confused)

Any suggestions/comments? I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? and Clomid Week XX? Help would be great.

here's a better cycle:
week 1-5 40 mg of d-bol ed (50 is too much)
week 1-12 500 mg of sus split into 2x week shots
week 1-10 400 mg of deca split 2 shots (deca must be stopped 2 weeks before test)
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle. ( i would not use this shit)
ur liver will be fine, ive done worse trust me!!

I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? no, no and no nolva will dimish ur gains while on cycle , use it if u see gyno signs then when problem is controlled stop it.
weeks 16-18 40 mg of nolva ed 150 mg of clomid ed
weeks 19-20 20 mg of nolva ed 100 mg of clomid ed

furthermore, eat eat eat and did i say eat? to keep most of ur gains

GOOD LUCK MY KANGAROO FRIEND!!!!!!!

[Bennet87]

here's a better cycle:
week 1-5 40 mg of d-bol ed (50 is too much)
week 1-12 500 mg of sus split into 2x week shots
week 1-10 400 mg of deca split 2 shots (deca must be stopped 2 weeks before test)
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle. ( i would not use this shit)
ur liver will be fine, ive done worse trust me!!

I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? no, no and no nolva will dimish ur gains while on cycle , use it if u see gyno signs then when problem is controlled stop it.
weeks 16-18 40 mg of nolva ed 150 mg of clomid ed
weeks 19-20 20 mg of nolva ed 100 mg of clomid ed

furthermore, eat eat eat and did i say eat? to keep most of ur gains

GOOD LUCK MY KANGAROO FRIEND!!!!!!!

the only reason im using liv 52 and/or milk thistle is because of running accutane while taking dbol. i hardly have any side effects from drugs and it normally takes a lot of dosage of something to hit me (dingers anyone?) but yeah i just want to be sure.

are you serious about not doing ANY pct until week 16?
what happens week 12-16... thats 4 weeks of absolutely nothing, wouldn't my gains just crash completely??

i remember when I was on dbol only, i lost an incredible amount of my gains + weight within 1 week... and i was eating and training well.

[stallion_1]

the only reason im using liv 52 and/or milk thistle is because of running accutane while taking dbol. I hardly have any side effects from drugs and it normally takes a lot of dosage of something to hit me (dingers anyone?) but yeah i just want to be sure.

Are you serious about not doing any pct until week 16?
What happens week 12-16... Thats 4 weeks of absolutely nothing, wouldn't my gains just crash completely??

I remember when i was on dbol only, i lost an incredible amount of my gains + weight within 1 week... And i was eating and training well.

1. I can see ur a newbie by ur type of questions.
2. U can take milk thistle if u want but it might dimish the effect of the dbol, id not take it.
3. On week 12 ur still taking sus so dont count that week so its 3 weeks ur not taking anything(week 13 14 & 15)
4 ill tell u what happens in those 3 weeks, sustanon has 4 esters of testosterone, some are realesed faster than others. Ur body will still have high testosterone levels from the sus since those esters wont disapper in those 3 weeks.
5 yes, u lost ur dbol gains coz thats an oral, ur body gets rid of it faster than injectable testosterone or deca
6 start pct at week 16 coz thats when ur body will start getting rid of the sus and its time to get ur body back to normal thus start pct

good luck my kangaroo friend!!!!!!!!!

[ChemWizard1]

here's a better cycle:
week 1-5 40 mg of d-bol ed (50 is too much)
week 1-12 500 mg of sus split into 2x week shots
week 1-10 400 mg of deca split 2 shots (deca must be stopped 2 weeks before test)
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle. ( i would not use this shit)
ur liver will be fine, ive done worse trust me!!

I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? no, no and no nolva will dimish ur gains while on cycle , use it if u see gyno signs then when problem is controlled stop it.
weeks 16-18 40 mg of nolva ed 150 mg of clomid ed
weeks 19-20 20 mg of nolva ed 100 mg of clomid ed

furthermore, eat eat eat and did i say eat? to keep most of ur gains

GOOD LUCK MY KANGAROO FRIEND!!!!!!!

Im running sust right now 250mg 2x a week (500 mg a week) and my results were so-so, then I switched to 125 mg EDO (~500 mg a week) and my results immediately improved. The 2 short esters in the sust have short half lives and are best taken advantage of if you shoot ED or EOD at the least. Maybe think about stacking the Deca with the sust EOD if you can deal with the shots.

[Bennet87]

why does deca have to be stopped 2 weeks before test?

i thought 10 weeks was an extremely short cycle for injectibles...

[stallion_1]

why does deca have to be stopped 2 weeks before test?

i thought 10 weeks was an extremely short cycle for injectibles...

no, 10 weeks is perfect for an injectable.
not too long not too short.
u could find all ur answers online but since im a softie here u go:

"Due to the highly suppressive nature of Deca (it supresses ur natural test levels, ur balls shrink),..... testosterone in a deca-inclusive cycle (a cycle that includes deca) needs to be run for at least 2 additional weeks upon cessation of Deca. We remember from the chart above that baseline testosterone levels took roughly a month to return. Hence, a nice long estered testosterone should be run about 2 weeks longer than deca, to prevent having a lag in time when the deca is not producing an anabolic effect, yet is still suppressing your natural testosterone levels."

good luck my kangaroo friend!!!!!!!!!!

[Bennet87]

thank you my aztlanian friend!

[stallion_1]

thank you my aztlanian friend!

lol, ur welcome my friend, any other newbie questions?

do u know anything about aztlan?

[Bennet87]

other than its a mythical city?, no...

i will probably have more questions as i go.

probably want to know if its worth doing longer on the sust and deca since i have 8 bottles of each (10ml bottles) i know WAY too much but i'll get rid of some.

[one8nine]

I'm 22 years old, 6 foot flat, 80kg (176lbs) been training several years. Did a stupid first cycle of dbol only (40mg 5 weeks) learnt from my mistakes, lost most of it.

I'm in Sydney so it's hard to get gear, but I've obtained:

10mg Dianabol tabs (blue this time not the pink 5mg ones).
picking up deca and sust250 tomorrow.

if you can get test or test c get that instead

Also can not find nolva or clomid or any PCT anywhere except arimidex so I'm ordering from lionnutrition or ar-r.com for the liquid form of nolva + clomid (good idea?)

they can take months to actually ship so get it in hand first

I'm also currently finishing up my accutane cycle (have no side effects whatsoever besides dry lips) so I hope to start asap, it might even overlap but I have Liv52 + milk thistle on hand.

I plan on doing:

Week 1-4/5 50mg Dbol ED
Week 1-12 400-500mg Sust250 split into 2x week shots
Week 1-12 400-500mg Deca each week
Multivitamins, Liv 52, Milk thistle.

sust needs to be injected every day or eod

PCT: Nolva + Clomid (not sure of dosages yet, i've read all the damn stickies and posts but they make me confused)

this pct sucks


my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

Any suggestions/comments? I start nolva in week 5 after the Dbol? and Clomid Week XX? Help would be great.

dont use nolva on cycle ever!!



estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

[inky-e]

I'd run the deca for 12 weeks, the sust 14 weeks and dbol 50mg's per day for 4 weeks.

[Bennet87]

if you can get test or test c get that instead

i know you're the hater of sustanon. but i've been looking EVERYWHERE for any other form of test, particularly test e. no luck whatsoever. i can get my hands on sust 250 so i'm doing it in time for summer...

[stallion_1]

i know you're the hater of sustanon. but i've been looking EVERYWHERE for any other form of test, particularly test e. no luck whatsoever. i can get my hands on sust 250 so i'm doing it in time for summer...

go for whats available

[Bennet87]

the test i picked up today is called "super-test 300" 10ml bottles

300mg/ml
100mg cyionate
100mg popionate
100mg enathate

any good?

[stallion_1]

the test i picked up today is called "super-test 300" 10ml bottles

300mg/ml
100mg cyionate
100mg popionate
100mg enathate

any good?

good, basically sustanon except a little stronger
will hurt when u pin