Regarding steroids and hairloss

[Angel of death]

Let me just say that I've done cycles in the past and used propecia as a "safeguard" against the hairloss side effects. This drug did little to nothing to stop or prevent hairloss, my hair has thinned greatly. Steroids are much more powerful then the anti-hairloss drugs we have. It isnt just DHT that causes the loss, excess testosterone and estrogen can be responsible.

Another thing...propecia is NOT a safe drug to take. I dont care what anyone says. I had side effects such as depression, low to non-existant libido, brain fog (just not being able to think clearly), anxiety, and more. I am not the only one, type propecia side effects into google and see that there is an entire forum due to people who have had PERMANENT side effects from this drug. If you want your hair, do not juice. Don't think propecia is the answer. They simply don't know enough about this drug's long term sides.

[FreeDOOM]

I say to hell with it! if the juice makes me lose more hair then I will shave my head.

[SNUKA]

i dont know man i have been on finasteride for 2years or so and if anything when i started taking it i had an increased sex drive. i didnt even get the shedding period that people generally go through. i have used doses of 1mg, 2.5mg and 5mg all with no problems.

you must definitely be careful with the compounds you choose. i am prone to mpb as well. you stay away from dbol, anadrol, masteron, winny, tren, halo. i have used test with finasteride and nizoral, eq, tbol, npp and anavar with no problems. i always wonder about primo thats kind of a gray area. winny and test without finasteride and nizoral did a number on me but i caught it early with the nizoral and then later added finasteride. my hair line is still messed up but it thickened up pretty nice so it hides well

[Angel of death]

i dont know man i have been on finasteride for 2years or so and if anything when i started taking it i had an increased sex drive. i didnt even get the shedding period that people generally go through. i have used doses of 1mg, 2.5mg and 5mg all with no problems.

you must definitely be careful with the compounds you choose. i am prone to mpb as well. you stay away from dbol, anadrol, masteron, winny, tren, halo. i have used test with finasteride and nizoral, eq, tbol, npp and anavar with no problems. i always wonder about primo thats kind of a gray area. winny and test without finasteride and nizoral did a number on me but i caught it early with the nizoral and then later added finasteride. my hair line is still messed up but it thickened up pretty nice so it hides well

Dont get me wrong, it does work for some, and some seem to not experience these vicious side effects. But dude if your libido starts to get compromised and you start feeling out of it and foggy, get off of that shit. DHT is responsible for more vital things then we think...

[Bio-boosted]

thats the trouble with side effects. You get none, some or all. Sounds like you get the worst of it and then some..
The mildest of medications can have the unwelcome side effect - sudden death syndrome! (syndrome lol?!?)
The benefits are ment to outweigh the bad,,

[bigtexaspolak]

i feel sorry for you guys.. my thinning hair line is genetic and started as soon as i got out of high school so now that i'm 21 my hair doens't even grow no way like it used to and i haven't even done 1 cycle yet so i'm not worried on hair loss after i've done more research and decided on which way to go.

[sitries]

surely.when.you.stop.the.finasteride.these.unwante d.side.effects.will.subside??????

iv.used.it.twice.in.the.past.with.no.problems>>>>> >>>no.shedding.or.low.sex.drive

i.think.it.does.definately.increase.the.risk.of.gy no.though.

[Angel of death]

sitries, for me it took a few weeks for them to really subside. For some people on those forums they are dealing with side effects years later

[mick86]

Running finasteride myself atm I feel that my need for sex may have decreased (I masturbate less) but not my interest or performance, in fact if anything I perform better because now I have to work a bit harder to cum I can last ages if I wish to. Never had a problem with how long I lasted before but not complaining now either. I have no problems getting in the mood when I have female company, but it takes perhaps a fraction longer by myself .Other factors to consider are the change from being on cycle to off and that I'm currently running aromaisin at 25mg/day and tamoxifen at 20mg/day.

As for the results with my hair I'm still waiting as its still early days. Hoping that I got it early enough and that it thickens back up a bit. Rather annoyed that my hair thinned and that I did not do something about it immediately. A contributing factor is that so many people on this site dismiss hair loss from AAS as no big deal. Of all of the side effects I understood hair loss the least.

[Angel of death]

Running finasteride myself atm I feel that my need for sex may have decreased (I masturbate less) but not my interest or performance, in fact if anything I perform better because now I have to work a bit harder to cum I can last ages if I wish to. Never had a problem with how long I lasted before but not complaining now either. I have no problems getting in the mood when I have female company, but it takes perhaps a fraction longer by myself .Other factors to consider are the change from being on cycle to off and that I'm currently running aromaisin at 25mg/day and tamoxifen at 20mg/day.

As for the results with my hair I'm still waiting as its still early days. Hoping that I got it early enough and that it thickens back up a bit. Rather annoyed that my hair thinned and that I did not do something about it immediately. A contributing factor is that so many people on this site dismiss hair loss from AAS as no big deal. Of all of the side effects I understood hair loss the least.

Yeah, this entire country/world understands hairloss the least lol. Thats because it doesn't kill you so there hasn't been extensive research on getting a real cure for it. The stem cell hair-cloning research IS in the early stages however, and within the next 10 years we can expect a CURE for hairloss.

[mick86]

Yeah, this entire country/world understands hairloss the least lol. Thats because it doesn't kill you so there hasn't been extensive research on getting a real cure for it. The stem cell hair-cloning research IS in the early stages however, and within the next 10 years we can expect a CURE for hairloss.

Very true. We need to spread some properganda of hair loss related deaths.

I'm holding out 4 that cure and trying to avoid DHT derivatives and keep as much of my hair as I can until then. I'll message you in 10 years time if there's still no cure and complain. Going to hold you to that 10 year guarantee.

[DSM4Life]

Hair or gear , pick one.

There are no ways around it.

[mick86]

Hair or gear , pick one.

There are no ways around it.

What about just sticking to test with finasterie, deca, equipoise, turanabol ect?

[DSM4Life]

If you have MPB or are prone to it your still going to loss your hair. You might slow it down slightly but its still going to go.

[Prada]

Kinda tired of all these parakeets repeating the same thing.
Fact of the matter is that there are degrees of how sensitive one is to hairloss. If you are extremely prone or sensitive then yes regardless what you do or what you take, you will lose your hair. However at the same time for those who are not extremely senstive , yet are still prone nonetheless, there are compounds taken with some precautionary measures that can pretty much eliminate any hair loss whatsoever. This is not just based on some unique empirical study. I know a few people prone to hairloss yet with the right products were able to pretty much negate that.

[DSM4Life]

I am tired of people who never tried the stuff promoting it.

My hair isn't falling out of my head but more thinning. I used dust 6 months before a cycle , throughout the cycle and post cycle. It did nothing for my hair. I still thinned out and lost hair.

[Prada]

I am tired of people who never tried the stuff promoting it.

My hair isn't falling out of my head but more thinning. I used dust 6 months before a cycle , throughout the cycle and post cycle. It did nothing for my hair. I still thinned out and lost hair.

You would be one who is very sensitive. Did you try adding Nizoral and even rogaine? Many who take Duta and Finas go through a roller coater ride for the first 12 months. You really have to give it at least a year prior to forming a conclusion.

[DSM4Life]

I have done it all and in doing so it has lead me to my conclusion. If you are prone to losing your hair then you are going to lose it. I spent 1000's on trying to keep it but could care less anymore.

Only thing that works is a hair transplant which is very expensive and still doesn't look 100%.

[Amorphic]

so far ive yet to experience any loss of hair when i was on cycle.

i think i noticed a few extra strands of hair in my fingers when i was washing my hair but other than that i didnt lose anything noticable to me.

when i get on tren/prop/winstrol i might invest in some anti hair loss measures just to be safe.

[mick86]

Once I started putting in the Nizoral before showering and leaving it on for a few minutes and using Rogaine I noticed an immediate drastic reduction in hair coming out. Prior to this I was using Nizoral but not leaving it in as long and not using Rogaine. My hair was all over my hands after I styled it in the morning. Now a few months later and while waiting for the full effect of being on finasteride which I started a week or two after the Rogaine my hair is looking much better than it did on cycle. I think that the word needs to be spread that for a large amount of people proper management will make a big difference in preventing AAS related hair loss.

[DSM4Life]

Once I started putting in the Nizoral before showering and leaving it on for a few minutes and using Rogaine I noticed an immediate drastic reduction in hair coming out. Prior to this I was using Nizoral but not leaving it in as long and not using Rogaine. My hair was all over my hands after I styled it in the morning. Now a few months later and while waiting for the full effect of being on finasteride which I started a week or two after the Rogaine my hair is looking much better than it did on cycle. I think that the word needs to be spread that for a large amount of people proper management will make a big difference in preventing AAS related hair loss.

The stuff will help keep hair (not regrow)when you are off AAS but once you go on your just kicking hairloss into overdrive.

If you want me to lie and tell you fina will help you keep all your hair just let me know. I am speaking to you from experience.

[Prada]

The stuff will help keep hair (not regrow)when you are off AAS but once you go on your just kicking hairloss into overdrive.

If you want me to lie and tell you fina will help you keep all your hair just let me know. I am speaking to you from experience.

No. Rogaine is known to regrow hair. So is Finasteride but to a lesser degree. Combine the two and its quite effective. Even when on cycle. Again you are probably very sensitive to hairloss and that is why it seems ineffective to you but that isnt the case for all.

[Prada]

Once I started putting in the Nizoral before showering and leaving it on for a few minutes and using Rogaine I noticed an immediate drastic reduction in hair coming out. Prior to this I was using Nizoral but not leaving it in as long and not using Rogaine. My hair was all over my hands after I styled it in the morning. Now a few months later and while waiting for the full effect of being on finasteride which I started a week or two after the Rogaine my hair is looking much better than it did on cycle. I think that the word needs to be spread that for a large amount of people proper management will make a big difference in preventing AAS related hair loss.

Totally agreed. Might not work for those who suffer from acute hairloss but for those that have mild form of hairloss it makes a huge difference. IMO the best things to have is Finas/Nizoral/Rogaine. You have Duta that you can always use later and who knows what awaits us in the pipeline.

[mick86]

The stuff will help keep hair (not regrow)when you are off AAS but once you go on your just kicking hairloss into overdrive.

If you want me to lie and tell you fina will help you keep all your hair just let me know. I am speaking to you from experience.

I am under the impression that it takes some time for the hair follicles to be damaged to the point where even when off cycle they will not work properly. For example even if you shed a ton of hair on a 2 weeks of test use if you stop the cycle it will come back assuming that it was lost from the AAS not just your age and genetic predisposition. So therefor like in my case where I started the finasteride early on in my cycle it will indirectly contribute to hair regrowth as it meant I could continue my cycle without having to worry about the testosterone converting to DHT and continuing to take a toll on my hair. Also if the statistics on the Propecia site are even remotely accurate people can directly obtain hair regrowth on finasteride.

Some study results:
http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/...of/results.jsp
Keep in mind these facts mainly relate to non AAS induced hair loss, I personaly believe that results would if anything be better for those who lost hair from AAS use. Resarch seems to suggest that the more recently the hair was lost the better chance that treatments will regrow it.

•2 out of 3 men who took PROPECIA regrew hair, as measured by hair count. All of the men in the study who were not taking PROPECIA lost hair.
•A majority of men who took PROPECIA were rated as improved by doctors—77% (210 of 271) vs 15% (2 of 13) of men who took a placebo.
•A majority of men who took PROPECIA reported that their bald spot got smaller, their hair loss slowed down, and the appearance of their hair improved.

More findings:
http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/...oof/photos.jsp

In the clinical study of 535 men taking PROPECIA, 99% had visible results (growth or no further hair loss) after 2 years
• 66% had visible regrowth (5% had greatly improved - 31% had moderate improvement - 30% had slight improvement)
• 33% had no further hair loss
• 1% had a visible decrease of hair

Middle Front of the Head (Anterior Mid Scalp)
In another clinical study of 107 men taking PROPECIA, 95% had visible results (growth or no further hair loss).
• 0% had greatly improved
• 4% had moderate improvement
• 38% had slight improvement
• 53% had no visible improvement
• 5% had decreased improvement

Some info on Rogaine:
http://www.rogaine.com.au
http://www.rogaine.com

ROGAINE® is proven to regrow hair in men with hereditary hair loss. In fact, in a clinical study, 85% of men regrew hair in just 16 weeks with twice-a-day use of Men’s ROGAINE® Foam.*

I've run out of patience finding more facts about Rogine for the moment, I'll either try to add some more later or hope that some one else contributes. What does seem apparent is that Rogaine its more suited to the treating the vertex (crown) of the head than the front.

[DSM4Life]

I am under the impression that it takes some time for the hair follicles to be damaged to the point where even when off cycle they will not work properly. For example even if you shed a ton of hair on a 2 weeks of test use if you stop the cycle it will come back assuming that it was lost from the AAS not just your age and genetic predisposition. So therefor like in my case where I started the finasteride early on in my cycle it will indirectly contribute to hair regrowth as it meant I could continue my cycle without having to worry about the testosterone converting to DHT. Also if the statistics on the Propecia site are even remotely accurate people directly get hair regrowth on it.

Some study results:
http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/...of/results.jsp
(Keep in mind these facts mainly relate to non AAS induced hair loss, I personaly believe that results would if anything be better for those who lost haor from AAS use)

•2 out of 3 men who took PROPECIA regrew hair, as measured by hair count. All of the men in the study who were not taking PROPECIA lost hair.
•A majority of men who took PROPECIA were rated as improved by doctors—77% (210 of 271) vs 15% (2 of 13) of men who took a placebo.
•A majority of men who took PROPECIA reported that their bald spot got smaller, their hair loss slowed down, and the appearance of their hair improved.

More findings:
http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/...oof/photos.jsp

In the clinical study of 535 men taking PROPECIA, 99% had visible results (growth or no further hair loss) after 2 years
• 66% had visible regrowth
• 33% had no further hair loss
• 1% had a visible decrease of hair

Middle Front of the Head (Anterior Mid Scalp)
In another clinical study of 107 men taking PROPECIA, 95% had visible results (growth or no further hair loss).
• 0% had greatly improved
• 4% had moderate improvement
• 38% had slight improvement
• 53% had no visible improvement
• 5% had decreased improvement

Again i am speaking from my experience and the experience of people around me (2 buddies tried it). You can give it a run and see how it works for you but I am just telling you that it didn't work for me. Would i run fina when on a cycle ? maybe but don't expect not to lose hair and when i say lose hair , 9 /10 times the hairloss is permanent. I am just giving you a heads up.

Also i discredit all that info you posted being that it came from the drug company who is trying to promote/sell it. Check out a few independent studys before you draw any conclusions.

[mick86]

Again i am speaking from my experience and the experience of people around me (2 buddies tried it). You can give it a run and see how it works for you but I am just telling you that it didn't work for me. Would i run fina when on a cycle ? maybe but don't expect not to lose hair and when i say lose hair , 9 /10 times the hairloss is permanent. I am just giving you a heads up.

Also i discredit all that info you posted being that it came from the drug company who is trying to promote/sell it. Check out a few independent studys before you draw any conclusions.

Well I'm hoping for the best and time will tell. I have asked two doctors what they thought, one who I see to monitor by blood as he has a lot of clients who use AAS and the other my dermatologist. Both gave me a good chance of regrowth. Like I said time will tell and I'll post my results and before and after shots. I'm hoping for the best, not yet ready to go the shave, I would like to hold onto my hair as long as I can. Of the few side effects that I have suffered its been the most distressing.

I agree that the results I sited may be a little embellished. I'd love to see other study results.