Critique this assuming PCT is in order
Omnadren 250 eod wk 1-25
Deca 250 750 mgs wk 1-12
Dbol 50 mgs ed wk 1-6
Anadrol 50 mgs ed wk 1-4
Tren ace 100mgs eod wk 18-25
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Critique this assuming PCT is in order
Omnadren 250 eod wk 1-25
Deca 250 750 mgs wk 1-12
Dbol 50 mgs ed wk 1-6
Anadrol 50 mgs ed wk 1-4
Tren ace 100mgs eod wk 18-25
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Drop some of those others, and add in some Test E.
Do some Test E and Deca.
Your cycle needs a great deal of thought and depending on your stats, you might want to reconsider running anything.
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6' 265 10%.....
Retired VET~ If you dont know... ask me
That cycle needs some serious rearranging bro plus why use adrol and dbol simultaneously???..i'm sure you still want your liver right??Sure better have some serious PCT bro that cycle is a half year cycle...By the way with those stats...lets see some pics bro...
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Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
6' 265 10%.....
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Actually, the reason for questioning using both drol and dbol together is an article i read about the synergistic effects of the two combined..... stating that the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides.
I know both compounds are extremely liver toxic so liver protection would definitely be utilized...
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post the article, i'd be intestested in reading itOriginally Posted by Manorexic
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not my style of cycle but based on what you have-
use tren ace ED
id lower the dbol and extrend the drol
1-6 dbol 30mg
1-6 drol 50mg
lets see your pct
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ive not seen the article but reading through the search feature on dbol vs drol i see the few people that try it LOVE IT
its logical-
dbol is strongly AR mediated, side effects caused by aromatization
drol is hardly AR mediated, if at all, and sides caused by pgr stimulation
they operate on completely differe planes
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The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol
By Gavin Kane
For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.
Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.
Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.
Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.
So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.
On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.
Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?
The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.
My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.
Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.
I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.
I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.
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now im thinking about 25mg ed dbol + 50mg drol personally
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yea i usually also do 25-30 mg of dbol and 50 mg of drol for like 6 weeks
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According to the article, i think u r right. That would make more sense than 50/50
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And that works well for you?
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hell yea, u get better gains, people usually do a high dose for like 4 weeks and then they stop taking it, but they bloat very rapidly thats why they lose a lot of the weight. the way that i do it, i get better gains that i can maintain and keep and i dont bloat too fast.
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yeah typical usage of dbol is 20mg-50mg. typical frol seems to be 100mg-150mg.
plus one thread back was called "50mg drol vs 50mg dbol" and everyone's posts seemed to follow a theme of " you cant compare them mg for mg as 50mg dbol is max and 50mg drol is minimum"
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damn i just remembered im allergic to anadrol. i had to take about 8 benadryl a day to make it through my last cycle with it.
never tried dbol yet though
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its better to do a rather low dose for a longer period of time than a high dose for a shorter period of time. easy comes easy goes
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I like both compounds, but could really do without the insanely painful back pumps i get from 100mgs of drol.... Typically im a 50mg dbol kind of person but i liked the strength gains from the drol a little more.... If i do decide to run this, im gonna start with your advice and go 25/50 and see how that works.....
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Dbol is def my fav oral.....
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you should prob hit 500iu hcg every few weeks too bro
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Im still planning pct.... HCG is pretty hard to come by so im not too sure im gonna be able to throw it in the mix.... The PCT i am leaning towards is actually Pheedno's protocol sample......
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex
Whats your opinion on this?
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i would not take clomid or nolva during cycle.
just stick to the adex while on cycle, but keep in mind that this will inhibit some gains.
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arimidex is reduced by nolva
thats too much clomid, 25mg max
here are a few of my posts
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013
hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466
estrogen is catabolic, if taken correctly AIs will increase gains
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LOL... Thats my post cycle stack.... I always keep adex and letro on hand in case of any gyno related issues while on....
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u also need estrogen to develop muscle buddy
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wow ur doing a pct for like 3 months
damn
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correct,
the right level of estrogen
thats why i said TAKEN CORRECTLY
excessive estrogen is bad, zero estrogen is bad
controlled estrogen is good
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good
we're on the same page
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Im figuring since i could possibly be on for 6 months, a longer period of PCT might be a good idea... ?????
Im forever trying new things when it comes to pct....just to see what works best for me....
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if u do go through with this
please keep me up to date
i wanna see how this goes
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Most definite... My goal for this cycle is, after all aas and pct is complete, to weigh 285 with 10-12% bf.... so we'll see....
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Fu*k bro, thats pretty big! U compete or play any professional sports? Not sure weighing that much for a long time is good for ur body, especially ur heart. Hope u do a lot of cardio to work out ur heart so it can keep up with all ur weight.
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No sports or anything like that.... Before i ever started aas i was around 240-245 so my body was relatively acclimated to carrying some weight around... But ive weighed as much as 278 and it does get tough on the body but nothing to the point that it interfered with everyday life or presented any medical problems....I definitely am going to have to keep up on the cardio though...
Got Diet? ~VET~ AR Hall of Famer~
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Haha, thats what i was thinking. I couldnt imagine bein that size and height, be walkin around like jay cutler. Thats cool if ur happy with it and doesnt cause any problems.
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trust in what he says..i personally know manorexic, hes a close freind of mine..hes def gotta be one of the bigger guys in his gym...go ahead and post some pix s***e..
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