Planning to start the following bulk/cut cycle, input appreciated

[mick86]

Updated clycle
(old thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=358587)

Stats
Age: 22
Weight: 86kg
BF: around 12% or 13%
Cycle experience 2, more info and pics: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=335049

Hi and thanks for showing some interest,

My last cycle was

d-bol 30 mg per day 2 weeks
test e 500mg per week 12 weeks
deca 400mg per week 10 weeks

The main aspects of this cycle are:

No or minimal hair loss

Build up and cut down by 3-4 months time

Maintain gains

Reduce bloating if necessary (the a-dex will only be used if needs be)

Apply knowledge from previous cycles

I was limited to certain compounds due to the hair loss issue plus the fact that I could not acquire certain substances. At this stage I still don't have the Equipoise however I plan to start anyway due to time restraints and add it if and when I acquire it.





(Insulin tapered up Day1 4iu - Day2 6iu - Day3 8iu then 10iu per day from tat point)
(Insulin taken post workout 4 days per week)

(HCG will be added if I can get it, which is looking possible)



I suspect that I am going to get because:

a) Some of you think its vain to want to keep your hair (So what )
b) I mentioned insulin and haven't run many previous cycles (I have done a lot of research on it)

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I will update the cycle pic if changes if modifications are mad due to suggestions.

[Drake Hotel]

Well yeah, test isn't exactly the most hair friendly aas, especially not with the higher doses you're using.

[mick86]

Well yeah, test isn't exactly the most hair friendly aas, especially not with the higher doses you're using.

Even when run with DHT blocking Finasteride? The fact that I will be using Finasteride was a contributing factor in dosing it a bit higher, I wanted to still get decent gains from the anabolic component as I will be inhibiting the androgenic side of things by blocking conversion into DHT.

I was however tossing up between 600/650/700 mg per week for the Test E

[Drake Hotel]

Yes, even by blocking DHT. Testosterone itself is androgenic as well, and besides you shouldn't stare yourself blind on whether a drug is androgenic or not. Winstrol is not very androgenic yet I've heard it to be the worst aas of all when it comes to hair. On the other hand it's a DHT-derivative, but nevertheless as I said T itself is androgenic.

Also I can't help being curious how you can have burned out lower dosage threshholds. We have about the same weight and bf stats and after a few years of cycling I still don't need more than 500mg, and that's still a major dose for me. For the sake of your hair you should take time off from cycling, and then do lower dose cycles.

[mick86]

Yes, even by blocking DHT. Testosterone itself is androgenic as well, and besides you shouldn't stare yourself blind on whether a drug is androgenic or not. Winstrol is not very androgenic yet I've heard it to be the worst aas of all when it comes to hair. On the other hand it's a DHT-derivative, but nevertheless as I said T itself is androgenic.

Also I can't help being curious how you can have burned out lower dosage threshholds. We have about the same weight and bf stats and after a few years of cycling I still don't need more than 500mg, and that's still a major dose for me. For the sake of your hair you should take time off from cycling, and then do lower dose cycles.

Hmm, so you think that running it at a lower dose is less likely to cause hair loss, thats something which I will need to consider.

So are you saying that you believe that longer breaks between cycles will encourage hair lost on cycle to re grow? I have been on the Finasteride since midway through my last cycle (4 months) and Rogaine also.

Yes I'm aware that DHT derivatives like Stana will cause hair loss, that's why I haven't included any.

I have been getting good results from 500mg per week but have been hearing a lot of people on here suggest higher doses. I'm sure that I would still get good results on 500mg but as you are probably aware the more test you use the greater your results will be. Also in the past I have included Deca but I know know that Deca when combined with Finasteride causes hair loss. With the exclusion of Deca from this cycle I did not want to find that I did not get the sorts of results that I did from my last cycle.

If the general consensus is that I have dosed it to high then I will certainly drop it down. You have already got me thinking that maybe 600 would be more appropriate.

Thanks for your feedback btw

[DS21]

If it was me I would start at 700mg per week if you lose hair lower the dose. I would also run a-dex the whole 16 weeks, but it looks great.

[DS21]

Oh yeah, maybe your last week of t3 lower it to 50mcg, just a thought.

[Drake Hotel]

Hmm, so you think that running it at a lower dose is less likely to cause hair loss, thats something which I will need to consider.

So are you saying that you believe that longer breaks between cycles will encourage hair lost on cycle to re grow? I have been on the Finasteride since midway through my last cycle (4 months) and Rogaine also.

Yes I'm aware that DHT derivatives like Stana will cause hair loss, that's why I haven't included any.

I have been getting good results from 500mg per week but have been hearing a lot of people on here suggest higher doses. I'm sure that I would still get good results on 500mg but as you are probably aware the more test you use the greater your results will be. Also in the past I have included Deca but I know know that Deca when combined with Finasteride causes hair loss. With the exclusion of Deca from this cycle I did not want to find that I did not get the sorts of results that I did from my last cycle.

If the general consensus is that I have dosed it to high then I will certainly drop it down. You have already got me thinking that maybe 600 would be more appropriate.

Thanks for your feedback btw

I'd better space this out...

1. No I didn't say longer breaks will cause hair to regrow. I was only speaking of dosage threshholds. I meant that taking a longer break from all AAS will "re-sensitize" your androgen receptors to gear again, allowing you to do lower dose cycles with similar or better results as you're getting now from 500. And that in turn, would cause less hair loss. Don't know 'bout the hair loss thing though, I've never bothered to learn anything about it.

2. Sure higher doses will give better results. But eventually, with such an approach, you'll end being 225 doing 5g test a week, struggling to gain, instead of maybe 600mg, gaining easily. A friend of a friend was on monster doses almost year round for quite some time, then went off for about 6 months, experimented with 250mg and got great results. I don't know any specifics, don't see why he'd lie though. Anyway, that's quite amazing.

3. Deca with finasteride doesn't cause hair loss. The thing is though that finasteride prevents deca (or nandrolone, rather) to be broken down to "DHN" (dihydronandrolone) which is actually a weaker androgen than deca already is. So, it's not so much about causing hair loss but about potentiating. Still, not much hair loss effect to potentiate, but you know...

4. You could do a high dose cycle now if you want, but only if that's the dose required for you to make gains. If you can make gains on a lower dose, then lower the dose. If you can NOT make gains on a lower dose, then do your cycle with the doses you have intended you use, then take a longer break from all AAS to clear your androgen receptors, and return experimenting with, say, 250-300mg test. Just a suggestion.

[MercyDog]

if your a first time slin user start at 2 then 4, 6, 8, 10, and carb carb carb

[mick86]

Oh yeah, maybe your last week of t3 lower it to 50mcg, just a thought.

Good point, I had forgotten about tapering off the T3, yeah I will adjust that

if your a first time slin user start at 2 then 4, 6, 8, 10, and carb carb carb

Yes that's my plan, though I forgot to include that in my notes. Thanks for the reminder, I'll add it.

I updated the cycle, with the tapered T3 and also adjusted the test dosage and included that I'll be taking HCA as I forgot to put it in last night.

I just got a call from my doctor regarding my blood test result for my testosterone levels, its double what it was at the conclusion of my last cycle (21.9 I think he said), I did not run pct after my last cycle due to lack of availability plus my doctor advising against it, interesting that my test levels are so much higher now....