Government to promote healthier citizens? Express your views

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 08:34 AM

As we all have noticed, the health of north Americans (mexico included) has followed a decadent trend, during the last two decades, there is more people getting sick, more younger people getting sicknesses that we would have never thought of 30 years ago, what ever happened to that higher quality of life ?

Stress is something that now takes part of many peoples life starting age 8(very rough harsh estimate just my op) there is overall less happyness, more obese people and less good eating culture.

Now some people keep looking to give a meaning to their lives by obtaining material things, but frustration comes in because off course we are looking for something outside where the answer is inside.

Businessmen have taken advantage of this situation and have promoted unhealthier eating habits and overall lifestyle. And the society at the same time there has been a favorable response for the businesses from society.

Now in today's America where eating habits have been so bad over the last twenty years , how easy is to adopt some good eating habits. In my case I only eat fish and vegetarian meat replacements, but I'm sure it's the same for the rest that does eat meat, how expensive do u find it to put 300 g of protein a day without getting super fat, and breaking ur piggy bank, I mean it's fine if u have a good job and don't have kids, but let's be honest eating healthy Is very very expensive, and not only that But there is absolutely no going out because they can't offer a low fat high protein ( more than 40 g of protein) low carb for cheap... I mean u can get a combo at fast food places of a good size burger and fries and drink for less than the salad with a little bit of chicken and feta cheese.

Can the government do somehing about this? if on the one hand having poor eating habits it's not the health problem of America( I rather think of it as a consequence of the way of thinking) on the other hand it does help a lot of Americans to have less and less quality of life.

how viable would it be unhealthy foods to get a special tax and how viable would it be for some healthy foods to pay have less sales taxes?
Let's take in consideration that big chains like the mc donalds corporation put food in many peoples table in wages, distributors, drivers, producers etc...

What do you guys think?

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 08:47 AM

It is pretty expensive to eat healthy...... I buy my chicken breast in 6-7lb bulk for roughly $20 and I buy a TON of brown rice and oats LOL...... those are pretty cheap.

I do notice tho..... if I'm on the go and want something to eat..... I can get a triple stack burger, extra large fries, and almost a gallon of soda for $7.50. If i want to take it 1 step healthier.... I can get a chicken breast sammich at subway dor $10.50 - If My wife gets something from "salad works" it's nothing more than a regular salad with chicken breast on it and she's payin $10.....

~Haz~

**dangerous dan** · 10-15-2009, 09:03 AM

did you know 30% of americans are obease, and like 2 thirds classed as overweight? that even applies with american pets also lol.

i think personally people are just plain lazy aand cant be botherd eating healthy, making good food so they result in slaming a pizza in the oven or nipping to maca's.
Also bodybuilding diets maybe expensive but eating health isnt....how much does a bag of letuce cost??

**Kratos** · 10-15-2009, 09:07 AM

We need to do our part buy educating our children. Fat people have fat babies that eat like mom and dad or worse.

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

did you know 30% of americans are obease, and like 2 thirds classed as overweight? that even applies with american pets also lol.

i think personally people are just plain lazy aand cant be botherd eating healthy, making good food so they result in slaming a pizza in the oven or nipping to maca's.
Also bodybuilding diets maybe expensive but eating health isnt....how much does a bag of letuce cost??

A bag of lettuce doesn't cost much but that alone for sure doesn't constitute a healthy meal

**dangerous dan** · 10-15-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

A bag of lettuce doesn't cost much but that alone for sure doesn't constitute a healthy meal

smart ass, i used letuce as an example not a diet plan. an everyday healthy diet doesnt have to have 300g of pro in it

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

smart ass, i used letuce as an example not a diet plan. an everyday healthy diet doesnt have to have 300g of pro in it

True

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

We need to do our part buy educating our children. Fat people have fat babies that eat like mom and dad or worse.

Absolutely

**Nooomoto** · 10-15-2009, 11:21 AM

I personally wouldn't like the government stepping in to tell me how to eat. I think it is everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves. I think the government could do more to educate people on what they are doing to their bodies by constantly taking in junk food and sitting on couches all day long.

Eating like we do IS expensive, not counting supplements...but eating healthy for the average person doesn't have to be expensive. You can make healthy stuff at home for as much as you'd spend on fast food every day.

What REALLY pisses me off is when fat people ban together and start demanding special rights for overweight people, like suing airlines and movie theaters to get bigger seats to accomodate their fat asses. Why the **** should people have to conform to you having a fat ass? You chose to be fat, now you deal with it...don't force others to.

**Mooseman33** · 10-15-2009, 11:31 AM

i def. feel we need something to change.
the healthcare debate has been going on for a while, and 70% of healthcare costs come from illness directly related to obiesity.

fat people are bankrupting are country.shit needs to end.

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 11:47 AM

^^^ exactly.... But noomoto is not about the government telling you how to eat. It's about giving tax breaks or other form of incentive to the people so that healthy foods have an attractive apart from the health... Cause If u wanna get fish an batter u can eat like three or 4 portions for a little over 5 bucks... Vs buying the same type of fish in fillet or just the bloody fish.....and frenchfries ... Vs sweet potatoes ... Or the chicken wing (that has xenobiotic bacteria) is so much cheaper than the equivalent lean Brest ( in meat weight)

I don't like when I'm in the bus and a 300 lb+ person walks in and expects people to give their seats to them and what not....

**zaggahamma** · 10-15-2009, 11:55 AM

i would definately like a change in the direction where healthy food was more affordable and more easily and readily available be it more so than unhealthy food or in general

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 11:58 AM

I agree that at home..... one should be able to eat healthy, not just live a bodybuilding lifestyle, without breaking the bank.

My issue does not stand with the grocery stores..... it's more with "eating out" and no..... not regarding the pink & squishy.

One can goto the grocery store and find food thats reasonably healthy. Unfortunately, a lot of people are too concerned with fast cooking..... most people come home from work and want to have something ready to eat.... or at the very most..... a 10 minute meal. Shake and bake, mac and cheese, frozen pizza..... Whats even more concerning are the people that spend ALL DAY cooking...... and what they made was an over buttered, over fattening, gravy saturated meal with a giant hunk of cake and 2 scoops of ice cream for dessert.

Im not sure it's worth the money for the government to sink into educating the american public on how to eat healthy. They wont listen..... they're going to eat the way they want to unless the government puts a complete total ban on being fat LOL

~Haz~

**spooledup** · 10-15-2009, 12:00 PM

It's not real expensive to eat good if you know how to shop.

The london broil goes on sale for 2.99/lb and I buy enough to last until it goes back on sale again. Chicken breast goes on sale and I do the same.

I make spaghetti from scratch and get about 10 meals out of it. It cost me less than $20. Both the lean ground beef and hot Italian sausage goes on sale and I stock up. I use 1.5lb of each along with green peppers, mushrooms, onions, and whole cutup tomatoes. yummy.

I also make huge salads with just about every veg you can think of. It's not expensive and is great for you.

All kinds of healthy options if you are willing to cook. Much cheaper than eating out and you know exactly whats in it.

**dangerous dan** · 10-15-2009, 12:05 PM

the botom line is we live in a lazy socitey, people can eat health but choose not to, they would rather eat quick like Haz stated.

I also think it will get alot worse than better.....but tbh im not to worried as i will defo get to see 40

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:05 PM

I do remember hearing something about healthcare becomming more expensive for obese people. Now here's a good questions.....

Lets say healthcare companies decide to charge people more for healthcare based on their weight. What could that mean for our community? When I goto the doctor he says a good average weight for a 6'1" man is 175lbs. Now.... I'm 220lbs or so and he says those "average" numbers aren't meant for people who bodybuild or are athletic. Would we have to prove this to the insurance company or would we get charged more for insurance?

~Haz~

**zaggahamma** · 10-15-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I do remember hearing something about healthcare becomming more expensive for obese people. Now here's a good questions.....

Lets say healthcare companies decide to charge people more for healthcare based on their weight. What could that mean for our community? When I goto the doctor he says a good average weight for a 6'1" man is 175lbs. Now.... I'm 220lbs or so and he says those "average" numbers aren't meant for people who bodybuild or are athletic. Would we have to prove this to the insurance company or would we get charged more for insurance?

~Haz~

yes...if they do this...they should do it based on health not weight...weight means nothing

**dangerous dan** · 10-15-2009, 12:11 PM

lol crazy bastard!!

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 12:12 PM

No... J work for an insurance comp and u will get charged based on ur age and medical condition ... If u are a healthy 330 lb 10% bf guy who is 30 yrs old u will get charged the same as the 175lb 16 % bf.... Unless they find something that is affecting ur health ur insurance will be the same

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:15 PM

I agree completely..... it SHOULD be based on health and not weight BUT how will the insurance company initially know you are a healthy 250lbs? LOL - will we have to go through a screening by a health insurance hired doctor?

~Haz~

**MuscleScience** · 10-15-2009, 12:17 PM

I think the Government can promote the general welfare but it can not provide for the general welfare. Meaning this is a free country and citizens should be allowed to live however they want within reason. Certainly over eating and bad diets are detrimental to some peoples health, however Free Will should be the very principle that this country abides by. If you have the government legislate what you can and cannot eat. That leaves the door open for them to say, you cant do such and such activity or love who you want, ect.

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:21 PM

I don't think they are looking to make eating unhealthy illegal..... just looking at taxing junk food more heavily. Giving more incentive to eat healthy......

~Haz~

**MuscleScience** · 10-15-2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I don't think they are looking to make eating unhealthy illegal..... just looking at taxing junk food more heavily. Giving more incentive to eat healthy......

~Haz~

But that is in effect legislating peoples behavior, we are already taxed way to much. Smoking rates have decreased for the last twenty years mainly due to public health campaigns and education. Taxing cigarettes has had little effect on lowering smoking rates relative to educational initiatives. Education not legislation or taxation is much more effective at changing peoples' behavior.

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

But that is in effect legislating peoples behavior, we are already taxed way to much. Smoking rates have decreased for the last twenty years mainly due to public health campaigns and education. Taxing cigarettes has had little effect on lowering smoking rates relative to educational initiatives. Education not legislation or taxation is much more effective at changing peoples' behavior.

I will say that those anti-smoking commercials are powerful...... the smokers i know could care less..... but they have to hit home for a lot of people. I just don't see a "healthy lifestyle" campaign having an effect on the obese community.....

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:42 PM

Another thing..... they have too many options to lose weight that don't involve dieting. Gastric bypass, gastric banding, a silicone filled balloon that gets placed in the stomach for 6 months, Diet pills that purposely make the "with proper diet and excercise" asterisk too small to read......

Whether they like it or not.... they are surely crippling the healthcare system. The hospital i used to work at did,on AVERAGE, 16 gastric bypass surgeries in two days per week. Thats 64 gastric bypass/banding procedures in one month. Thats not including the other ballooning procedures.....

Whats an even bigger shame is medicare saying that they are hurting so bad that they will soon be cutting the doctors pay by 20%. On average..... a doctor replacing a knee or a hip will make $1200 for your pre-op visit, surgery, and post-op visit. Think about what these surgeries involve..... ultimately.... your life is in their hands and their pay keeps getting mroe and more cut ON TOP OF the rising cost of malpractice insurance.....

I gotta stop talking about our healthcare system LOL

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:46 PM

I did forget to mention that before one gets gastric bypass surgery done the doctors make them go through a rigorous course and really get them to understand that they wont be able to eat as much. Their diet WILL have to change..... These people start their diet before the surgery and often times lose 20+ pounds before having the surgery done. Why can't we just NOT HAVE the surgery and continue with the damn diet!? Don't tell me they'll hit a wall..... look at the biggest loser TV show..... If done right..... they can doit on their own. Unfortunately for our healthcare system...... people don't want to work for it and the docs are making money off it. Not only that..... but when one has the gastric banding done.... if they don't eat right.... that band can break! If that happens.... they need to go back in and insert another one.... further taxing healthcare.....

~Haz~

**MuscleScience** · 10-15-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I did forget to mention that before one gets gastric bypass surgery done the doctors make them go through a rigorous course and really get them to understand that they wont be able to eat as much. Their diet WILL have to change..... These people start their diet before the surgery and often times lose 20+ pounds before having the surgery done. Why can't we just NOT HAVE the surgery and continue with the damn diet!? Don't tell me they'll hit a wall..... look at the biggest loser TV show..... If done right..... they can doit on their own. Unfortunately for our healthcare system...... people don't want to work for it and the docs are making money off it. Not only that..... but when one has the gastric banding done.... if they don't eat right.... that band can break! If that happens.... they need to go back in and insert another one.... further taxing healthcare.....

~Haz~

Most Medical Doctors dont have the educational background to properly advise persons on diet and exercise. There simply isnt enough time in medical school curriculum for exercise science courses in most traditional programs.

There was legislation passed that exercise physiologist would be reimbursed through insurance and medicare/caid for health related services. However there has been very slow implementation of this program and many professionals such as myself choose another field to make a living as opposed to waiting on these types of programs to became more common place.

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Most Medical Doctors dont have the educational background to properly advise persons on diet and exercise. There simply isnt enough time in medical school curriculum for exercise science courses in most traditional programs.

There was legislation passed that exercise physiologist would be reimbursed through insurance and medicare/caid for health related services. However there has been very slow implementation of this program and many professionals such as myself choose another field to make a living as opposed to waiting on these types of programs to became more common place.

Heh..... never knew/heard about that..... very interesting. If you don't mind.... what field are you into?

~Haz~

**MuscleScience** · 10-15-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Heh..... never knew/heard about that..... very interesting. If you don't mind.... what field are you into?

~Haz~

Right now I am a active strength and conditioning coach on my own. I was going into the clinical exercise physiology field but the money isnt there just yet.

**C_Bino** · 10-15-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Whether they like it or not.... they are surely crippling the healthcare system. The hospital i used to work at did,on AVERAGE, 16 gastric bypass surgeries in two days per week. Thats 64 gastric bypass/banding procedures in one month. Thats not including the other ballooning procedures.....

Whats an even bigger shame is medicare saying that they are hurting so bad that they will soon be cutting the doctors pay by 20%. On average..... a doctor replacing a knee or a hip will make $1200 for your pre-op visit, surgery, and post-op visit. Think about what these surgeries involve..... ultimately.... your life is in their hands and their pay keeps getting mroe and more cut ON TOP OF the rising cost of malpractice insurance.....

I gotta stop talking about our healthcare system LOL

~Haz~

Crippling the health care system? And WHY do you think you need this health care system so badly? Your life is in their hands? LOL Ya sure is and they POISON YOU.

I would go to my doctor to mow my f*cking lawn. 80% of the health care procedures and medications are an absolute waste of time and money and you are worried about them losing more money?

They are STEALING your tax money and providing you with symptomatic relief using junk science that never makes you healthy. Medicine, prescritions, surgeries...its laughable.

**Mooseman33** · 10-15-2009, 01:08 PM

i love to smoke a cig while watching the "truth" commercials..

kinda like i enjoy my cheat meal while watching the biggest loser..

something so wrong with me...

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Crippling the health care system? And WHY do you think you need this health care system so badly? Your life is in their hands? LOL Ya sure is and they POISON YOU.

I would go to my doctor to mow my f*cking lawn. 80% of the health care procedures and medications are an absolute waste of time and money and you are worried about them losing more money?

They are STEALING your tax money and providing you with symptomatic relief using junk science that never makes you healthy. Medicine, prescritions, surgeries...its laughable.

I'm in the biologics field..... acl tears/replacements - osteochondral procedures - bone matrix and paste...... if the healthcare system falls..... getting coverage for these things is going to be harder..... prices will have to drop..... blah blah blah.....

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 10-15-2009, 01:13 PM

also..... when healthcare gets ripped off.... the insurance we pay for costs more.....

~Haz~

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 01:27 PM

As for the questions above they ( insurance comp) make u go through a lot lot of health checks and they have direct xomunication with the doctor that analizes the results of each test ...

I think that a lot of doctors are making too much money and not really caring for reevaluating their knowledge , sure there are some really good ones, but at least in my case they don't go back and study a little more...l

I don't think that taxing is ruling what u can do or not ... I would see it more as a way for people that don't take care of themselves contributing a little more to the country because they will eventually use a little bit more ... Do I pay taxes for cigarrettes of course not... Am I more likely to go to the doctor, than a smoker to find out what's wrong withmy lungs?probably not

I think it will at least take away that excuse o it's so expensive...and at the same time if ur having financial problems... U would probably think of taking junk food out of the menu rather than ur kids resps

like science said freedom is the base of this country...

**spywizard** · 10-15-2009, 02:09 PM

203 lbs 5'9" 10%bf... i'm obese..

**zaggahamma** · 10-15-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

As for the questions above they ( insurance comp) make u go through a lot lot of health checks and they have direct xomunication with the doctor that analizes the results of each test ...

I think that a lot of doctors are making too much money and not really caring for reevaluating their knowledge , sure there are some really good ones, but at least in my case they don't go back and study a little more...l

I don't think that taxing is ruling what u can do or not ... I would see it more as a way for people that don't take care of themselves contributing a little more to the country because they will eventually use a little bit more ... Do I pay taxes for cigarrettes of course not... Am I more likely to go to the doctor, than a smoker to find out what's wrong withmy lungs?probably not

I think it will at least take away that excuse o it's so expensive...and at the same time if ur having financial problems... U would probably think of taking junk food out of the menu rather than ur kids resps

like science said freedom is the base of this country...

totally agree...even use some of that tax money to lower the costs of healthy food and healthcare

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-15-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

I personally wouldn't like the government stepping in to tell me how to eat. I think it is everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves.

we have a winner....don't say I personally, THAT is what is good and right PERIOD, the government has absolutely NO RIGHT.

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

i def. feel we need something to change.
the healthcare debate has been going on for a while, and 70% of healthcare costs come from illness directly related to obiesity.

fat people are bankrupting are country.shit needs to end.

Let them die.....This bullshit where hospitals treat EVERYONE even if they can't possibly pay needs to stop. Sorry, healthcare is NOT a right. And if you've made yourself a complete fatass and not planned for the eventualities that's your own stupidity taking hold.

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

^^^ exactly.... But noomoto is not about the government telling you how to eat. It's about giving tax breaks or other form of incentive to the people so that healthy foods have an attractive apart from the health... Cause If u wanna get fish an batter u can eat like three or 4 portions for a little over 5 bucks... Vs buying the same type of fish in fillet or just the bloody fish.....and frenchfries ... Vs sweet potatoes ... Or the chicken wing (that has xenobiotic bacteria) is so much cheaper than the equivalent lean Brest ( in meat weight)

I don't like when I'm in the bus and a 300 lb+ person walks in and expects people to give their seats to them and what not....

lets go with **** no....the gov't has no say. One can use their common sense and see how CHEAP and SHITTY the ingredients that go into junk food are. Why shouldn't you be expected to pay more for food that actually nourishes your body instead of killing it? Taxes....they're just wrong, and mostly illegal.

I'd like to see someone try this...punch that fat **** in the face...then trip him

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

I think the Government can promote the general welfare but it can not provide for the general welfare. Meaning this is a free country and citizens should be allowed to live however they want within reason. Certainly over eating and bad diets are detrimental to some peoples health, however Free Will should be the very principle that this country abides by. If you have the government legislate what you can and cannot eat. That leaves the door open for them to say, you cant do such and such activity or love who you want, ect.

Right on.....i do say....i couldn't have said it better myself. That's what's up.

Originally Posted by Hazard

I don't think they are looking to make eating unhealthy illegal..... just looking at taxing junk food more heavily. Giving more incentive to eat healthy......

~Haz~

again...**** no....that's legislating choice and morality....it's WRONG....the gov't has absolutely no right telling people what's good for them or not. And ESPECIALLY it has no right making what it THINKS is best more attractive to the consumer. COMPLETE BULLSHIT

**ni4ni** · 10-15-2009, 04:34 PM

ruhl...nice work.
CONGRATS

**Cloe85** · 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM

^^^x2

**elpropiotorvic** · 10-15-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

we have a winner....don't say I personally, THAT is what is good and right PERIOD, the government has absolutely NO RIGHT.

Let them die.....This bullshit where hospitals treat EVERYONE even if they can't possibly pay needs to stop. Sorry, healthcare is NOT a right. And if you've made yourself a complete fatass and not planned for the eventualities that's your own stupidity taking hold.

lets go with **** no....the gov't has no say. One can use their common sense and see how CHEAP and SHITTY the ingredients that go into junk food are. Why shouldn't you be expected to pay more for food that actually nourishes your body instead of killing it? Taxes....they're just wrong, and mostly illegal.

I'd like to see someone try this...punch that fat **** in the face...then trip him

Right on.....i do say....i couldn't have said it better myself. That's what's up.

again...**** no....that's legislating choice and morality....it's WRONG....the gov't has absolutely no right telling people what's good for them or not. And ESPECIALLY it has no right making what it THINKS is best more attractive to the consumer. COMPLETE BULLSHIT

where are u from?

Do u live in the states? or North america(canada, mexico, U.S.A)?

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