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    US scientists find potentially habitable planet near Earth

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    WASHINGTON (AFP) – US astronomers said Wednesday they have discovered an Earth-sized planet that they think might be habitable, orbiting a nearby star, and believe there could be many more planets like it in space.

    The planet, found by astronomers at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and the Carnegie Institution of Washington, is orbiting in the middle of the "habitable zone" of the red dwarf star Gliese 581, which means it could have water on its surface.

    Liquid water and an atmosphere are necessary for a planet to possibly sustain life, even it it might not be a great place to live, the scientists said.
    The scientists determined that the planet, which they have called Gliese 581g, has a mass three to four times that of Earth and an orbital period of just under 37 days.
    Its mass indicates that it is probably a rocky planet and has enough gravity to hold on to an atmosphere, according to Steven Vogt, professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and one of the leaders of the team that discovered the planet.

    If Gliese 581g has a rocky composition similar to Earth's, its diameter would be about 1.2 to 1.4 times that of the Earth, the researchers said.
    The surface gravity would be about the same or slightly higher than Earth's, so that a person could easily walk upright on the planet, Vogt said.
    Gliese 581g was discovered by scientists working on the Lick-Carnegie Exoplanet Survey, during 11 years of observing the red dwarf star Gliese 581, which is only 20 light years from Earth.
    For astronomers, eleven years of observation is considered a short time and 20 light years, which is roughly 117.5 trillion miles, rather close. The sun is around eight and a half light minutes from Earth.

    "The fact that we were able to detect this planet so quickly and so nearby tells us that planets like this must be really common," said Vogt.
    The planet is tidally locked to its star, meaning that one side is always facing the star and basking in perpetual daylight, and the other is in perpetual darkness because it faces away from the star.
    With surface temperatures decreasing the further one goes toward the dark side of the planet and increasing as one goes into the light side, the most habitable part of the new planet would be the line between darkness and light, which is known as the "terminator".

    The researchers estimate that the average surface temperature of the planet would be between -24 and 10 degrees Fahrenheit (-31 to -12 degrees Celsius).
    But actual temperatures would range from "blazing hot on the side facing the star to freezing cold on the dark side," they said.
    The findings, which will be published in the Astrophysical Journal and posted online at arXiv.org, "offer a very compelling case for a potentially habitable planet," said Vogt.
    "Any emerging life forms on the new planet would have a wide range of stable climates to choose from and to evolve around, depending on their longitude," Vogt said.
    In their report, the scientists in fact announce the discovery of two new planets around Gliese 581, bringing the total number of known planets around this star to six.
    That is the most yet discovered in a planetary system other than Earth's solar system.

    Like planet's in Earth's solar system, the planets around Gliese 581 have nearly circular orbits.

    Two previously detected planets around Gliese lie at the edges of the habitable zone, one on the hot side and one on the cold side of the star, and are probably not habitable.

    The newly discovered planet g, however, lies right in the middle of the habitable zone.

    "We had planets on both sides of the habitable zone -- one too hot and one too cold -- and now we have one in the middle that's just right," Vogt said, recalling the porridge that Goldilocks found in the children's story "The Three Bears."

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    That's pretty cool!

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    "The planet is tidally locked to its star, meaning that one side is always facing the star and basking in perpetual daylight, and the other is in perpetual darkness because it faces away from the star.
    With surface temperatures decreasing the further one goes toward the dark side of the planet and increasing as one goes into the light side, the most habitable part of the new planet would be the line between darkness and light, which is known as the "terminator".

    Imagine this here on Earth... phew.

    I highly believe there are many many planets out there sustaining life/liquid water besides us. We just don't have the radical technology to reach outside of our own solar system to reach them yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReX357 View Post
    That's pretty cool!
    I know!

    This way when we suck this planet dry of natural resources, or we are about to get hit by an asteroid we can hop over there!

    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    "The planet is tidally locked to its star, meaning that one side is always facing the star and basking in perpetual daylight, and the other is in perpetual darkness because it faces away from the star.
    With surface temperatures decreasing the further one goes toward the dark side of the planet and increasing as one goes into the light side, the most habitable part of the new planet would be the line between darkness and light, which is known as the "terminator".

    Imagine this here on Earth... phew.

    I highly believe there are many many planets out there sustaining life/liquid water besides us. We just don't have the radical technology to reach outside of our own solar system to reach them yet.
    Oh absolutely!

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    I posted this up in the news section yesterday...

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    But yeah, this is ****ing awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    I posted this up in the news section yesterday...
    Crap. didn't even see your thread.

    More traffic in lounge

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    Crap. didn't even see your thread.

    More traffic in lounge

    hahaha I know I know. I was gonna post it in here, but I like to travel outside the lounge from time to time and it is news, so...you know. Its a scary world out there though! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    hahaha I know I know. I was gonna post it in here, but I like to travel outside the lounge from time to time and it is news, so...you know. Its a scary world out there though! lol

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    I wouldnt exactly say it was near earth, we have no way of getting there and wont have for hundreds if not thousands of years....
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    Very cool article D..... Thanks for sharing Also thanks to BigSexy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Very cool article D..... Thanks for sharing Also thanks to BigSexy!

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    Was hoping you'd come in.

    Since your the resident armchair astro-physicist here, do you think it's fair to call this planet "near" us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I wouldnt exactly say it was near earth, we have no way of getting there and wont have for hundreds if not thousands of years....
    that is true given our present "allowable" level of technology. We have tech that was sh1t canned in the 70's since atomic reactors became a political hot potato. We will probably have to forget about the notion that star travel is anything but a multi-generational effort. We may be able to get there in a single life time, but not return. Future generations will have the option of returning, but why would they? They will never have seen the earth, will not know anyone on earth. So why would they commit their entire life to star travel when they are already living on a viable planet?

    I think we will find here very soon that the galaxy is littered with potentially habital planets. I think we will also find that any planet with liquid water will probably have life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    Was hoping you'd come in.

    Since your the resident armchair astro-physicist here, do you think it's fair to call this planet "near" us?
    LMFAO!

    I have no idea where in the universe this is located but it would depend on how you define "near us"

    If you think "near us" means we should be able to travel to it...... then no. If you think "near us" means 1000 light years and the universe is 350,000,000 light years across..... then yes LOL.

    There are a couple different theories on how we can travel to stars. Obviously nuclear is always an option..... but scientists have build solar sails before and are currently exploring this option also. Seems to me the only way we can get to another "livable planet" and return is to master the bending of space and time. It's possible according to physics..... we're just not advanced enough yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Very cool article D..... Thanks for sharing Also thanks to BigSexy!

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    LMAO... Thanks for the cred!

    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    Was hoping you'd come in.

    Since your the resident armchair astro-physicist here, do you think it's fair to call this planet "near" us?

    Well 20 light years, I think, would take around 300,000 years to reach, which is rather close in space. But everyday, we are making advances in technology, so who really knows. I agree with Times Roman, that rather soon, we will find many planets that are capable of life. If water is there, you are pretty much guaranteed to have life. And if temps range from -25 to 160, thats def a habitable place.

    It would be crazy if dinosaurs roamed the planet and all sorts of beasts that just haven't experienced an huge extinction event yet, like they did here on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    LMAO... Thanks for the cred!




    Well 20 light years, I think, would take around 300,000 years to reach, which is rather close in space. But everyday, we are making advances in technology, so who really knows. I agree with Times Roman, that rather soon, we will find many planets that are capable of life. If water is there, you are pretty much guaranteed to have life. And if temps range from -25 to 160, thats def a habitable place.

    It would be crazy if dinosaurs roamed the planet and all sorts of beasts that just haven't experienced an huge extinction event yet, like they did here on earth.
    I think about this stuff ALL THE TIME! I've seen a lot of programs on shit like this..... while every living thing would probably look nothing like we've ever seen..... some things would remain the same. Prey would have eyes on the side while predators would have eyes in front. Carnivors would have sharp teeth an herbivors would have flat teeth..... etc

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    Very cool article. Even if you go by the earth being formed by the "Rare Earth Hypothesis" there would theoretically be about a million "earth like planets" in our Galaxy alone. The trouble is distance, they are all likely too far apart from each other.

    The reality is, we are going to suck this planet dry of resources and then we are fvcked. We need to start exploring space, mining asteroids and look into terraforming the Moon and Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    I think about this stuff ALL THE TIME! I've seen a lot of programs on shit like this..... while every living thing would probably look nothing like we've ever seen..... some things would remain the same. Prey would have eyes on the side while predators would have eyes in front. Carnivors would have sharp teeth an herbivors would have flat teeth..... etc

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    assuming they eat and see the way we do, which is probably not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    Very cool article. Even if you go by the earth being formed by the "Rare Earth Hypothesis" there would theoretically be about a million "earth like planets" in our Galaxy alone. The trouble is distance, they are all likely too far apart from each other.

    The reality is, we are going to suck this planet dry of resources and then we are fvcked. We need to start exploring space, mining asteroids and look into terraforming the Moon and Mars.
    this

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    Well 20 light years, I think, would take around 300,000 years to reach, which is rather close in space. But everyday, we are making advances in technology, so who really knows. I agree with Times Roman, that rather soon, we will find many planets that are capable of life. If water is there, you are pretty much guaranteed to have life. And if temps range from -25 to 160, thats def a habitable place.

    It would be crazy if dinosaurs roamed the planet and all sorts of beasts that just haven't experienced an huge extinction event yet, like they did here on earth.
    The article stated we would not be able to see that dwarf star unaided, but if we were on this planet, and looked at our sun, it would be easy to spot "our sun".

    the distance is in the low trillions of miles, very close by in terms of light years. If our sun is (about) 100 million miles away, then this sun would be less than 100,000 times further away.

    We can't allow ourselves the luxury of thinking of traveling there as a round trip. Realistically, unless we develop advanced cyrogenic hibernation techniques (sounds fancy, doesn't it???? just made it up!), then it would be a trip we would make in a single life time to get there (assume prpopulsion drive other than chemical). Our descendents would probably NOT return, unless it is really a fvcked up place, and they would rather spend their life in deep space instead of on that particular planet. A very BIG sacrafice!
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    human kind will be colonizing other planets OUTSIDE our solar system in the next 2-300 years NO DOUBT.. they are going to Terraform Mars to make it Earth like starting this century.. soon, one day we will be an intergalactic empire.. pretty awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINE5150 View Post
    human kind will be colonizing other planets OUTSIDE our solar system in the next 2-300 years NO DOUBT.. they are going to Terraform Mars to make it Earth like starting this century.. soon, one day we will be an intergalactic empire.. pretty awesome
    there has been talk of tera forming mars for quite awhile now. Practically, it is NOT a viable option as we know it. Why? mars is a geologically dead planet, and doesn't have that "van allen" belt like earth has. this is the magnetic layer that protects us from cosmic radiation. We will never be able to walk around on the surface of mars unprotected, either with a suit, or inside domes. Either way, it will never be the same as we know it here on good ol' earth. Tera forming mars will be "practice" for when we get serious about tera forming viable planets. What ever life is exposed on the surface of mars will be killed by cosmic radiation.

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    I think interplanetary travel is really only 50-100 years away from us. As long as western society exist in some form, there will be research. Now say if the US continues down the path of becoming a third world country. We are all screwed until the aliens return for their anal survey and feel sorry for us and give us new technology like the wheel or the Iphone.
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    50 years ago we would never have computes that be small enough to be in homes. 150 years ago man would never fly and about 1000 years ago the earth was flat.

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    Just to give you some perspective, the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 238,854 miles. So light crosses that distance in about a second. The average distance from the Sun to the Earth is 92,955,817 miles. Light only takes about 8 minutes to make that journey. A light year is about 6 trillion miles, so 20 light years is 120 trillion miles. At that distance, even traveling at the speed of light, it would still take 40 years to make it there and back. i think light speed is like 600 miles per hour. the fastest space shuttle we currently have travels at 17,000 miles per hour. i think round trip is outta the question Craziness
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    Either find a more efficient fuel, or propulsion system, or use gravitational tubes...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...efficient.html

    The way technology is exponentially increasing, I don't think long distance space travel would be that far off.

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    In the end, unfortunately, I think Space Exploration will be about mankinds survival, rather than the quest to explore and expand our knowledge.

    By 2050 there will be 9 billion people on the planet. By 2099, there will be 19 billion. With crude oil set to run out in the next 30-40 years, we are running out of resources fast. I mean planet earth will literally be like a giant hive world, one super city to house that many people.

    Terraforming the Moon and Mars will be the first step to ensuring we carry on. Once the technology becomes available to do this, the gas giants Saturn and Jupitor moons will be next. Remember as well, between Mars and Saturn is a huge asteroid belt which means TONS of minerals and tons of water.

    I think the next century is really critical for us. We will other become space explorers or we will be plunged into huge war, poverty and famine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    In the end, unfortunately, I think Space Exploration will be about mankinds survival, rather than the quest to explore and expand our knowledge.

    By 2050 there will be 9 billion people on the planet. By 2099, there will be 19 billion. With crude oil set to run out in the next 30-40 years, we are running out of resources fast. I mean planet earth will literally be like a giant hive world, one super city to house that many people.

    Terraforming the Moon and Mars will be the first step to ensuring we carry on. Once the technology becomes available to do this, the gas giants Saturn and Jupitor moons will be next. Remember as well, between Mars and Saturn is a huge asteroid belt which means TONS of minerals and tons of water.

    I think the next century is really critical for us. We will other become space explorers or we will be plunged into huge war, poverty and famine.
    I'd like to have a beer (or a protein shake) with you one day LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    In the end, unfortunately, I think Space Exploration will be about mankinds survival, rather than the quest to explore and expand our knowledge.

    By 2050 there will be 9 billion people on the planet. By 2099, there will be 19 billion. With crude oil set to run out in the next 30-40 years, we are running out of resources fast. I mean planet earth will literally be like a giant hive world, one super city to house that many people.

    Terraforming the Moon and Mars will be the first step to ensuring we carry on. Once the technology becomes available to do this, the gas giants Saturn and Jupitor moons will be next. Remember as well, between Mars and Saturn is a huge asteroid belt which means TONS of minerals and tons of water.

    I think the next century is really critical for us. We will other become space explorers or we will be plunged into huge war, poverty and famine.
    Never happen! Both are geologically dead. Not saying we can't do it on other planets that are geologically active....

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    Another problem with visiting planets many light years away is that we will not know about the conditions on th ose planets until after we arrive. A planet that is 20 light years away, means that we are seeing an image of that planet 20 years ago. It is only once we reach that planet that we will know the actual conditions of it. We could, hypothetically, plot a course to a neighboring star that is say 50 light years away, only to find that the star is actuallly burnt out the closer to our arrival. What is excellent about the universe is that it is a record of history since the beginning of time in the form of light. When we view galaxys which are 100 million light years away, we are seeing a picture of those stars as they were 100 million years ago. Many of the stars we see in our skys are already burnt out many years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    Never happen! Both are geologically dead. Not saying we can't do it on other planets that are geologically active....
    While they may be geologically inactive, they do still offer natural resources. It is also possible to terraform planets by releasing water and co2 into the atmosphere in order to build an atmosphere and cause a greenhouse effect. It of coure takes hundreds of years, but it is theoretically possible.

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    Id still prefer to go to Uranus.

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    The Moon itself is one huge reservoir of water, and though I doubt we could do anything to grow anything there, I could see Luna bases set up. Getting the man power and resources up there is the tricky part.

    Mars on the hand is a different story. It's said that Mars is the way it is because once it was very much like earth (only colder) but some "event" disrupted it's magnetic field which caused the planet to be bombarded with radiation. I've heard talks of missions to Mars and setting up Nuclear power plants there.

    Mars has an atmosphere, an extremely weak one, but it'd be a start!

    EDIT: Hazzard im game! I love talking about this kinda stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    The Moon itself is one huge reservoir of water, and though I doubt we could do anything to grow anything there, I could see Luna bases set up. Getting the man power and resources up there is the tricky part.

    Mars on the hand is a different story. It's said that Mars is the way it is because once it was very much like earth (only colder) but some "event" disrupted it's magnetic field which caused the planet to be bombarded with radiation. I've heard talks of missions to Mars and setting up Nuclear power plants there.

    Mars has an atmosphere, an extremely weak one, but it'd be a start!

    EDIT: Hazzard im game! I love talking about this kinda stuff!
    Nvm..... you spelled my name wrong.....

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