What's most likely to be the culprit in my lower than usual sex drive on this cycle?

[mick86]

Male
24 years of age
174cm
94kg
bf% approx 11%

cycle 6 (3 weeks in)

test p 600mg pw
tren a 300mg pw
Eq 500mg pw (was frontloaded at double this during week 1)
t-bol 50mg pd

All shots are EOD

Btw, I also use ghrp-6 and cjc 1295 without DAC here and there along with slin, and for what its worth I'm currently on a maintenance dose of Melanotan 2, approx 0.5mg once a week. Prior tio this I rwas loading at 1.8mg pw.

I also use finasteride at 1.25mg pd, and minixidil and spiro though have used all these on previous cycles at the same doses.

Started using Arimidex for early signs of gyno 1 week in, using it at 0.2mg pd

Started using HCG 1 week in, using it at 250iu twice a week

Sex drive shot right up early on but then started dropping around the start of week 2. I assume many will point the finger at the Arimidx, though I have used it numerous times on previous cycles around the same dose without much if any issue.

I first used HCG on my last cycle at the end (though in a large dose) and my sex drive certainly dropped during the days after that shot.

Going against popular belief I'm actually leaning towards the theory that HCG is lowering my libido. I realise that most people would be quick to blame the Arimidex, but as mentioned I've run it at this dose or slightly higher before. This is only the second time I've used HCG, I ran it towards the end of my last cycle though had to take a higher dose to make up for all the weeks I was su;pressed and I can say withoug doubt that the HCG shot coincided with an immediate delcine in libido.

I'm considering taking a week or 2 off HCG and see how I fair. I'm also just lowered the Arimidex to 0.15mg pd but I may have trouble sustaining this with out attracting gyno.

Another theory I devised that possibly explains my situation is that I'm having some kind of negative rebound form using melanotan 2 at a higher loading dose.

Any input much appreciated.

[mick86]

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[stack_it]

I've never used it but from reading others experiences I think the tren may be the problem. It can cause deca like sex drive sides. Get some caber and see if that fixes the problem.

[Bonaparte]

Why do you even bother using Finasteride when running Tren?

[mick86]

Why do you even bother using Finasteride when running Tren?

To prevent and or minimise hairloss from Test Prop. I actually haven't noticed any hair loss at all on this cycle, nor much if any my last 2. I find that by using pretty much ever tool at my disposal and trough limiting doses and compounds used (I avoid DHT derivatives etc) I can it seems at least for the moment prevent further hair loss. I lost a bit during my first 2 cycles, during which I did not use finasteride and did not adhere to a hair loss prevention regime.

I don't actually find that Tren causes me to lose hair, I've never used it higher than 350mg pw and but at the doses I run, it doesn't seem to be an issue for me. I've read that it's terrible for some, and harmless with others. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

[mick86]

I've never used it but from reading others experiences I think the tren may be the problem. It can cause deca like sex drive sides. Get some caber and see if that fixes the problem.

I think you're on the right track. Though I don't have any caber I have vitamin b6, zinc and ginko biloba, they may have to do for now, I only run short cycles so by the time I'd be able to acquire some caber I'll be finished.

I'll see how I go with what I have, Cheers.

btw here's a short interesting post I found on the topic of prolactin and sexual arousal:

http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm

[mick86]

Hmmm, I've never heard of t-bol causing such issues, that's interesting. Do you have any good links regarding this?

After reading my own link (from the above post) regarding prolactin and sexual performance I'd say that prolactin is a very likely cause. It mentions prolactin levels peaking after orgasm resulting in a longer refractory period and less sexual interest. That's interesting, as one of the main issues I've had the last 2 weeks is that after having sex once, I largely seem to loose interest. Usually on or off cycle I'd be fine to keep going after just a short break, and then again and again etc if desired.

[sfour_tay]

I always run prami with my npp and will do so with tren when i get there.
I ran 700mg a wk of npp with no issues what so ever

[Bonaparte]

I would put my money on the Tren. Tbol can do it to and a mix of tbol and tren makes it that much more likely.

I've never heard ANYTHING about Tbol and libido problems. Even when run solo, it usually has no effect on libido, since it is minimally suppressive and doesn't have any progestigenic actions.
I ran it recently to kickstart a cycle and can't say I noticed it either way.

[bodybuilder]

If I had to guess i would say its the tren

[dosXX]

check your prolactin and E2

[Necrosaro]

Cycle 6 and only 24...when did you start?

[mick86]

Cycle 6 and only 24...when did you start?

Started a week after I turned 21, had already been training 2 years consistently and numerous years at varying levels beyond that going back 4 years prior.

Regardless, in hindsight I should have waited until I was around 24, I could have progressed further naturally.

Having said that I know plenty of guys who started at my age or younger, one of the guys at my gym for instance started at age 18. Now I'm certainly not saying it's advisable to start that young, but here in Australia I'd say it's far more common to start in your early twenty's than mid twenty's or later.