Treating gyno whilts on cycle, should I stop my cycle?

[mick86]

Male
24
5 cycles
174cm
88kg
6-7% bf

I just ran a 7 week Test P @ 600mg pw and Tren A @ 350mg pw bulking cycle followed by a 7 week test P @ 350mg pw Anavar 50mg pd, Clen, T3 Cutting cycle. I was aware that my nipples were sensitive particularly towards the end of my bulk/start of my cut but as I was on A-dex just tried playing with the dose a little.

This however wasn't enough and either I wasn't monitoring things closely enough or it became aggravated rather quickly as my always existent small gyno lumps grew seemingly over night, the left side particularly, and nipples became puffy. I jumped on Nolvadex immediately and Letro at 2.5mg pd the next day. I"m currently just at the end of my cutting cycle so I'm on:

Test P 350mg pw
Clen varies
T3 100mcg pd
Anavar 50mg pd
Nolva 20md pd
Adex .3 mg pd
Letro 2.5mg pd

Is the Nolva and A-dex necessary, I just read that Nolva is pointless as my estrogen will be very low and it may even be detrimental to the letro.

Now that I'm approaching week 7 should I come off cycle and keep running letro through PCT or stay on cycle a little longer, I'm only 1 week into gyno therapy on the Lerto.

Appreciate any help here guys, especially from the more experienced members out there.

[mick86]

Bump

[Ernst]

No need for nolva or adex while on the letro. That stuff murders estrogen.

Have you read C_Bino's thread on letro therapy with gyno? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...now-about-GYNO.

[mick86]

thx

I have now, I'd read simialr articles. He advises to run an additional anti-e while on week 1, that's what I did, I'm 8 days into my gyno therapy now and will drop the a-dex. will also drop the niovla. I decided to start at 2.5mg, didnt want to waste any nore time. im not finding the stuff to harsh and the results seem promising so far.

[M302_Imola]

keep us updated bro...good luck!

[norburt]

if letro is unavailable is nolvadex fine alone?

[mick86]

Bump re stopping the test Prop or running it a few weeks longer while I continue gyno therapy

[mick86]

Bump regarding stopping the test Prop or running it a few weeks longer while I continue gyno therapy

[M302_Imola]

I would lower your test and continue to run the letro until gyno symptoms diminish, then hop on PCT w/ serms to prevent rebound.

[mick86]

Appreciated, thanks

[M302_Imola]

Appreciated, thanks

no prob, keep us updated.

[mick86]

dropped my test from 350 to 315mg pw, still using letro 2.5mg pw, result on right side is amazing, i had more of a lump under there just from puberty than i do now, result on left side is dramatically improved, over 50% reduction id say, so reduced to approx where it would of been at the start of cycle, only slightly worse than it would have been post puberty. I'm still hoping for further results. The left side was what was really concerning me and prompted me to start letro therapy. Less than 3 weeks in atm.

[M302_Imola]

^^^good deal

[M302_Imola]

Question for you Mick86: I'm going to be running a very similar cycle to the one you are running and was curious as to what the clen and T3 addition as well as the lowered test amount brought to your final 7 weeks? I mean I'm sure you trimmed up nicely but how much weight did you drop from the bulk to the end of the cut and how much body fat? I like the idea of a bulk and then cut all in one cycle as summer is fastly approaching. Did you keep calories the same for the bulk and cut?

Also, I have a small hard lump under my right nip that I want to try to get rid of right before I start my cycle. I thought about using letro 2 weeks prior to the cycle and then a small dose of letro throughout the cycle...question is will 2 weeks of letro be enough to help gyno? I know I need pyramid the dose down toward the start of cycle so would you just jump on 2.5mg from the start throughout the 1st week and then start pyramiding down the 2nd week before cycle? (sorry if I'm asking to much, not trying to thread jack)

[M302_Imola]

Bump...Mick86 where you at? You can PM me if you would like.

[mick86]

bulked to 97/98kg, cut to 88kg. cut over 4 to 5 and a half weeks. been maintaining a month or so, bout to diet further as considering competing for the first time

Gyno on right side so much better i think i had more than this post puberty, it is all but non existent. on the left side its just 1 tiny ball, both sides were worse post puberty. im 4 weeks in, will give it another few weeks and see where im at. Results have been fantastic so far, ill stop letro yet run nolva past, try to avoid a rebound, if i can keep it like this its already now impossible to tell, barely able to feel even under examination.

i think ur letro plan is sound, though depending on the size it may take longer to get full benifit. i siggest runnign a little longer prior, or 3 weeks high dose prior, lower dose on, few weeks high at end of cycle b4 comign off. Ideally run 4 weeks or more pre cycle at 2.5mg imo.

Ur questions are intelligent and I have recent relevant experience sop happy 2 help.

I started on 2.5mg, theory being no real need to taper up imo and wanted to get maximum benift straight away, will certainly taper off myself, and run nolva 1 week or more after.

Hope that helps, keep me in the loop, would be interested to see how you go.

Btw my gyno has been mildly present a many years (since puberty), and possibly flared somewhat mildly for 1-2 years, dramatically got worse some time time the week to month or so before I started letro, I drastically improved it over 3 to 4 weeks at 2.5mg pd. Thats the time frame I was working with.

[warren916]

If you read the actual pamphlet that comes with Arimidex it says that if you use Nolvadex with the Arimidex, the Nolvadex will greatly reduce the blood concentration levels of the A-Dex, meaning the a-dex is being rendered as almost pointless. So basicly you were taking Nolvadex only on your cycle...Now aromasin, which is also a estro inhibitor like a-dex, is more powerful than a-dex and works well with serms like nolvadex. Next time try aromasin only at 12.5 ed, if symptoms arise, use nolva in combo....that should def be enough..but if not...letro....remember some estro is good...esp for chloesterol in men.....

[mick86]

Initially I was on Arimidex, my source does not deal in aromasin and I no longer venture outside of my source. I was aware that a-dex/nolva aren't ideally pared though under the impression that both are better than either alone, even if just marginally so. I would love to have some estrogen but unfortunately so would my gyno, lol. The letro has worked wonders at reversing the gyno and I doubt I could have obtained simialr results on anything else. I will cease the letro as soon as possible. At least I'm not bulking atm.

[M302_Imola]

Mick86, thanks for your reply. Glad to hear the gyno is diminshing. Yeah I think I will hop on some letro here in a week as I will be starting my cycle in about 3 weeks...here is my cycle if you are interested or care to comment: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...into-cut-cycle. I will be checking your thread for updates. Sounds like this cycle has been a success thus far and I would love to see pics comparing where you were at the end of the bulk compared to the end of the cut if you have taken them.

[mick86]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cs-of-me/page3

tracks progress over the years if you look at prior 2 pages also.

Bout to head out but just took a glance at your cycle, looks very simialr to what I just ran. Will have a more thorough look later.

[M302_Imola]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cs-of-me/page3

tracks progress over the years if you look at prior 2 pages also.

Bout to head out but just took a glance at your cycle, looks very simialr to what I just ran. Will have a more thorough look later.

Awesome transformation bro! You are one vascular SOB!!! I'm curious as to what the ghrp-6 brought to the table? Is this something you like to run off cycle? Thanks bro, any comments on my cycle will be much appreciated.