critique my upcoming 2015 Cycle :)

[Chlamydia]

age:28
cycle history : 2 cycles of test+anavar in the past


currently on HGH at 4iu ED (been on for the past month)

Plan: add AAS around feb-march 2015


week 1 - 21 Test E @ 250mg x 2 a week
week 1- 20 EQ @ 300mg x 2 week
week 1- 22 Proviron 50mg ED
week 1 - 8 Anavar @ 60mg ED
week 16-22 Anavar @ 60mg ED

as well as my HGH 4iu which im already on

I will be using 25mg ED of Aromasin on cycle the whole time (dose might more or less depending on my bloodwork)

also I have Prami on hand (not sure if I will need it or if I should us it anyways. advice?)

my PCT will start at about week 24 (since EQ takes forever to leave)
I will start HCG at week 24 starting with a 2500IU shot EOD x 2 followed by lowering it to 1000IU ED for 10 days
after that I will add clomid 100/100/100/50/50/50 and nolva 40/40/40/40/20/20
also i might use aromasin during pct.. any advice on that?

finally since I am using proviron week 1 - 22 .. I hear you can keep using it up to PCT and half way during PCT ?any truth to this?

well thats about it guys
let me know how you think this cycle is looking like or anything you would personally change round (doses or length of time) if you had the gear in question on hand ^^^

let me know thanks

[Chicagotarsier]

Your stats?

Do not take an oral without test.
Orals should be limited to 6 weeks continuous unless you can afford bloodwork every few weeks.
For a male 100 mg a day is the sweet spot and it is a very weak oral. Break it up every 8 hours due to half-life.
You need to read the PCT sticky for sure.

[qscgugcsq]

Your stats?

Do not take an oral without test.
Orals should be limited to 6 weeks continuous unless you can afford bloodwork every few weeks.
For a male 100 mg a day is the sweet spot and it is a very weak oral. Break it up every 8 hours due to half-life.
You need to read the PCT sticky for sure.

whats your logic behind no oral without test...
in that situation he only use anavar until testosterone enanthate leave his systems.
which is ok in that particular situation.

Liver issue are way overrated...
and anavar is so mild on the liver that it is not a problem.

I see that cycle like an overexpensive cycle...
but its your problem.

otherwise other for the duration it seems ok.

[Chlamydia]

Your stats?

Do not take an oral without test.
Orals should be limited to 6 weeks continuous unless you can afford bloodwork every few weeks.
For a male 100 mg a day is the sweet spot and it is a very weak oral. Break it up every 8 hours due to half-life.
You need to read the PCT sticky for sure.

what are you talking about?
in the cycle I posted I am running Test + EQ + Proviron + Anavar
the test will be in my system through the whole time
the reason why im using anavar a week past last shot of test E is because Test E stays in system for 3 weeks so running anavar durring that time is ok since the test is still in me for week 22 so a week of anavar is fine.

also whats wrong with my PCT?


by the way qscgugcsq why are you saying its over expensive cycle?
I got the anavar for free otherwise I wouldnt of added it to the cycle
aside from that whats expensive?

[jolter604]

that is a pretty expensive cycle?sounds good....must be nice.....

[Chlamydia]

LOL why are you guys keep saying its expensive

5 viles of test E = fairly cheap
5 viles of EQ = fairly cheap
2 packs of proviron = mild in price
anavar = I got for free so i dont care (its expensive i wouldnt of added it if i didnt get it for free)

HCG+clomid +novla arent expensive

so whats wrong lol
what would you rather run ?

[ojm3]

22 week cycle sounds petty harsh man. Im no expert but unless your a HRT patient i dont think 5 1/2 months on the sauce is real good. If it was me id be worried about permanent damage to my natural test production after being on that long.

[Chlamydia]

22 week cycle sounds petty harsh man. Im no expert but unless your a HRT patient i dont think 5 1/2 months on the sauce is real good. If it was me id be worried about permanent damage to my natural test production after being on that long.

I dont think so
3 months vs 5months isnt a huge difference ( you gotta keep in mind that test E takes 3 weeks to peak so first 3 weeks of my cycle dont count :P)
EQ for example should be ran for 20 weeks minimum anyways (24 weeks being ideal)
so im doing 20 weeks of that and the test as well just because I pretty much have to do that
I cant just run test for 1-14weeks and eq for 1-20weeks

so thats the reason
maybe someone who knows more can fill me in if my cycle is a bad idea due to the long 22 week total use

[ojm3]

I see your logic in equaling the times in length of both oils. I just dont see why so long. The difference between 3 and 5 months is is a 60% increase in time. Sure your going to see gains beyong a typical 12 week cycle. But in the end you will also take longer to recover to a natural state. And whats to say after "X" amount of 20 week cycles your natty levels come back to normal.

[ojm3]

but to each their own! everyone has a different protocol

[jolter604]

just because of the hgh and the anavar,I want to run var but it would cost around 350 for the amount I want......but 20 weeks seems pretty long.

[Chlamydia]

I see your logic in equaling the times in length of both oils. I just dont see why so long. The difference between 3 and 5 months is is a 60% increase in time. Sure your going to see gains beyong a typical 12 week cycle. But in the end you will also take longer to recover to a natural state. And whats to say after "X" amount of 20 week cycles your natty levels come back to normal.

ok just to be sure...

do you know much about EQ AND TEST cycles or are you just saying its too long for the hell of it ?
being shut down for 2 months or 6 months does not make a huge difference on recovery time
this is coming from my Dr telling me this.. once your nuts go to sleep they go to sleep the time it takes to make them come back from sleep does not make a huge difference in terms how long they been asleep unless its over 1+ year plus

2nd of all
EQ like i said its an AAS that has to be used for 20 weeks minimum ( 24 Ideal) and 28(for best results)
if i was to run it for only 14 weeks along with test i would be just wasting money on the EQ and my time

so for this reason i will be running it for 20-21 weeks or so along with the test

thx for your input tho but i would like some real answers to this topic from someone who knows what hes talking about


BTW jolter604 I wont be running anavar for 20 straight weeks im taking a long break in the middle of my cycle
also the HGH I been already taking and planing to take for a year

[ojm3]

Let us know how it goes

[reporich]

Im not sure why you asked, you think you know everything anyway?

[kapper]

No mention of donating blood before and during.. Sounds over kill for a 3rd cycle, less is better! Test and var would be sufficient enough

[swolehead]

I dont think so
3 months vs 5months isnt a huge difference ( you gotta keep in mind that test E takes 3 weeks to peak so first 3 weeks of my cycle dont count :P)
EQ for example should be ran for 20 weeks minimum anyways (24 weeks being ideal)
so im doing 20 weeks of that and the test as well just because I pretty much have to do that
I cant just run test for 1-14weeks and eq for 1-20weeks

so thats the reason
maybe someone who knows more can fill me in if my cycle is a bad idea due to the long 22 week total use

there is a huge difference between 3 months and 5 a half is huge because at 3 youve been shutndown for that long and you progressivley get shit down more and more every week and your chances of recovery diminish and the second you inject you are shut down so the first 3 do count

[Chlamydia]

I guess you right about soon as I pin test E I will get shut down.
but you are wrong about being more shut down every week more and more

lol that makes no sense
once your balls go to sleep they go to sleep they dont get shut down more each month your test...


PS: I will be donating blood as EQ really raises RBC

[thephoenix25]

lol that makes no sense
once your balls go to sleep they go to sleep they dont get shut down more each month your test...

I makes perfect sense. The analogy is like a car.
Use it every day and it works fine.
Leave it for a couple of weeks, it'll probably start fine.
Leave it a couple of months, it might have some trouble starting.
Leave it six months, its very likely it wont start.

When the car is left for 6 months it is no more switched off than when it was left for 1 week. But the intricate components that it requires to work slowly degrade without use.

I know this is a very simplified way of looking at it, but it sums it up quite nicely.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I makes perfect sense. The analogy is like a car. Use it every day and it works fine. Leave it for a couple of weeks, it'll probably start fine. Leave it a couple of months, it might have some trouble starting. Leave it six months, its very likely it wont start. When the car is left for 6 months it is no more switched off than when it was left for 1 week. But the intricate components that it requires to work slowly degrade without use. I know this is a very simplified way of looking at it, but it sums it up quite nicely.

Very nice analogy.
Two thumbs up!

[tcw]

.anavar = I got for free so i dont care (its expensive i wouldnt of added it if i didnt get it for free)

..Gotdayum Bro...you got some Free Anvar! Lucky Bastard. That's chit's expensive.

Looks like a lot juice though...better do some blood work every month to check your levels.

[Chlamydia]

I makes perfect sense. The analogy is like a car.
Use it every day and it works fine.
Leave it for a couple of weeks, it'll probably start fine.
Leave it a couple of months, it might have some trouble starting.
Leave it six months, its very likely it wont start.

When the car is left for 6 months it is no more switched off than when it was left for 1 week. But the intricate components that it requires to work slowly degrade without use.

I know this is a very simplified way of looking at it, but it sums it up quite nicely.

not sure if srs

why dont you think of it more like.
think of your nuts like a bucket of water, you inject synthetic test into your body and your bucket of water gets a hole at the bottom where all the water leaks out. once the bucket is empty its empty, keep on using test + AAS the bucket is already empty no more water can leak out doesnt matter if its 10week cycle or 20 week cycle your bucket is empty and once you start PCT thats when you start patching that hole regardless of how long that hole been there for

[thephoenix25]

not sure if srs

why dont you think of it more like.
think of your nuts like a bucket of water, you inject synthetic test into your body and your bucket of water gets a hole at the bottom where all the water leaks out. once the bucket is empty its empty, keep on using test + AAS the bucket is already empty no more water can leak out doesnt matter if its 10week cycle or 20 week cycle your bucket is empty and once you start PCT thats when you start patching that hole regardless of how long that hole been there for

Thats no good if the rest of the system which you are relying on to "patch the hole" is no longer working because it has degraded beyond repair because you shut it down too long. Its not just your nuts that shut down you know? HPTA? Hypothalamic, Pituitary, Testicular Axis?
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html
This is steroids 101 stuff man.

[Chlamydia]

ok so what about guys that are on TRT for years and never used HCG during their cycle
they come off 2-3years

hell I heard of guys using 1gram of juice a week for years and come off and do a pct and recover lol

am I really gonna have trouble of doing a 20-22week cycle

[thephoenix25]

Most long term users don't recover, you don't hear about them because its not the kind of thing you'd brag about, but the lucky few that do, are happy to tell you their story. Bear in mind that "recover" is subjective and just because you can get hard, doesn't mean your HPTA is fully functioning (or ever will be).

Why not split the cycle into two? Do 2 x 12 week cycles (with appropriate time between) IMO you'll see better, more sustainable results. Don't forget that the longer it takes for your HPTA to recover, the longer you'll be catabolic, losing all those gains. And if it doesn't recover it may take some time to get TRT set up and running.

Its your call man, take the risk if you want.

[ojm3]

Most long term users don't recover, you don't hear about them because its not the kind of thing you'd brag about, but the lucky few that do, are happy to tell you their story. Bear in mind that "recover" is subjective and just because you can get hard, doesn't mean your HPTA is fully functioning (or ever will be).

Why not split the cycle into two? Do 2 x 12 week cycles (with appropriate time between) IMO you'll see better, more sustainable results. Don't forget that the longer it takes for your HPTA to recover, the longer you'll b5 catabolic, losing all those gains. And if it doesn't recover it may take some time to get TRT set up and running.

Its your call man, take the risk if you want.

That's what I was saying the OP is my age can't understand why he would take that risk

[Chlamydia]

AAS causing permanent shutdown from any length cycle is also a myth.

it all depends on the person
some people can run cycles for years and do a normal PCT and recover..

others can run 8 week cycles and never recover

[ojm3]

Do what ever the hell your going to do then man. You asked and some of these good bros have decided to chime in and tell you otherwise. If you know so much then why did you ask? Seems all your going to do is is try to prove why your cycle is going to work all the while praying one of these dudes is going to come in here and say **** YA BIG BRAH YOUR GONNA GET SWOLL AS **** good cycle. Hey man if you want to take the risk of never come back to proper HPTA levels and being married to a needle for HRT go for it!

[thephoenix25]

AAS causing permanent shutdown from any length cycle is also a myth.

it all depends on the person
some people can run cycles for years and do a normal PCT and recover..

others can run 8 week cycles and never recover

I find it astounding that you are so confident about this, since back in Feb 2014 you were posting how you were having such a hard time recovering

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...month-now.html

It is obvious your understanding of the HPTA is flawed when I read this in the below thread
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ake-sense.html

I agree with you 10000%
I took HCG on cycle at 250iu x 2 a week during the whole 14 weeks that i was on
I got blood done after I finished test and I was completly shut down
HCG did not do anything for me, just wasted HCG


what doses would you say are good and how often after a 14-20week test cycle?

Your previous cycle proposal was more realistic. I don't know what happened between then and now that made you so expert in all things steroid?
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...thank-you.html

So let me get this straight.... You had an exceptionally difficult time recovering from your first cycle, and this time you want to go much harder for much longer and you expect you'll recover just fine?

Ok, I see I'm wasting my time, good luck with it, see you in 6 months in your thread titled :

"Can't get it up and feel like shit, but it's not my fault"

[derekkpapa1]

I find it astounding that you are so confident about this, since back in Feb 2014 you where posting how you were having such a hard time recovering

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...month-now.html

It is obvious your understanding of the HPTA is flawed when I read this in the below thread
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ake-sense.html


Your previous cycle proposal was more realistic. I don't know what happened between then and now that made you so expert in all things steroid?
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...thank-you.html

So let me get this straight.... You had an exceptionally difficult time recovering from your first cycle, and this time you want to go much harder for much longer and you expect you'll recover just fine?

Ok, I see I'm wasting my time, good luck with it, see you in 6 months in your thread titled :

"Can't get it up and feel like shit, but it's not my fault"

You might not to respond to that ouch