Who uses fruits and vegetables as main carb sources?

[Swifto]

Who uses fruits and vegetables as main carb sources?

Fruits and vegetables with low glycemetric loads (GL) such as:

Fresh apricots
Avocado
Blackberries
Cantaloupe
Fresh cherries
Grapefruit
Grapes
Honeydew
Kiwi
Lemon
Mandarins
Nectarines
Oranges
Raspberries
Fresh watermelon


and vegetables such as:

Alfalfa
Artichoke
Asparagus
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Celery
Cucumber
Green beans
Lettuce
Onions
Peppers
Radishes
Sauerkraut
Spinach
Squash

[Swifto]

One of Phil Hernon's diet outlines is fruits/vegetables as carb sources with various protein sources (meats, fish, eggs, chicken).

I think this is an excellent idea getting most carb's from fruits and vegetables. All too often we see bulking diet's with hardly any fruits or vegetables when there are infact more rich in nutrients and vitamins than any other carb source.

[Damienm05]

I think if the goal is simply health and general fitness, that sort of diet would be ideal. However, I can't see it being applicable to many of us as workout intensity would surely suffer with almost all carbs coming from fructose and fiber, yes?

[baseline_9]

I wouldnt rely on it simply because its fructose

Starch is a much better carb source for us BB's IMO

[gbrice75]

Veggies definitely yes, berries for the most part yes, and fruits not so much - depending on the fruit. At the end of the day, sugar is sugar - and fructose doesn't do much for glycogen replenishment in muscle. I'd rather go with a carb that does and put every last calorie to good use.

[Twist]

Fruit is only about 7% fructose and fructose contributes primarily to liver glycogen. It has to be converted in the liver before it an get to the muscle. Average people have about 300-400g carbohydrates stored in the form of muscle glycogen. So it would be difficult to fill glycogen stores in your muscles with a fruit carbohydrate source.

That being said fruit is really good for you from a health standpoint.

[The Wolfman]

I would like to, but to costly and my body likes corn much more, so.. I'll guess I'll listen to it!

[gbrice75]

I would like to, but to costly and my body likes corn much more, so.. I'll guess I'll listen to it!

My toilet been liking corn lately too.... =\

Just sayin

[Weenzanar]

ewww haha. when i lost a lot of weight last year it was on a diet that was just protein fruits and veggies. i never ate starchy stuff or peanut butter or anything fatty. When i did start eating a lot of oatmeal and whole grains and didnt eat sugar anymore i got waaaaay stronger in the gym right away but maybe that was just the extra cals since oatmeal is more calorie dense than contalope lol. Just talking out my ass lol but personal experience is always good i guess.

[terraj]

I think this is an excellent idea getting most carb's from fruits and vegetables. All too often we see bulking diet's with hardly any fruits or vegetables when there are infact more rich in nutrients and vitamins than any other carb source.

Good post.

Cutting fruit is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[gbrice75]

One of Phil Hernon's diet outlines is fruits/vegetables as carb sources with various protein sources (meats, fish, eggs, chicken).

I think this is an excellent idea getting most carb's from fruits and vegetables. All too often we see bulking diet's with hardly any fruits or vegetables when there are infact more rich in nutrients and vitamins than any other carb source.

Missed the part about it being a bulking diet - I still think there are better carb sources for building muscle, but fruits definitely have more of a place in a bulking diet vs. a cut - there's some forgiveness there.

[MBMETC]

looking pretty cut there gbrice, i may have to hire you!

[calstate23]

Who uses fruits and vegetables as main carb sources?

Fruits and vegetables with low glycemetric loads (GL) such as:

Fresh apricots
Avocado
Blackberries
Cantaloupe
Fresh cherries
Grapefruit
Grapes
Honeydew
Kiwi
Lemon
Mandarins
Nectarines
Oranges
Raspberries
Fresh watermelon


and vegetables such as:

Alfalfa
Artichoke
Asparagus
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Celery
Cucumber
Green beans
Lettuce
Onions
Peppers
Radishes
Sauerkraut
Spinach
Squash

If you are looking to go low carb.....It would be better to just pick some good complex carbs, reduce the amount you are taking in, and the time you eat them. In fact, a lot of veggies have a "negative caloric intake" so that would be pretty difficult to get the amount of calories your body needs...You would have to increase the fats in your proteins....So basically, it would be more like the atkin's diet.

The atkin's is fine for a week or so, but it shouldn't be something that is practiced all year long. Your body can only go so long without the carbs before you start doing more damage then good. I would suggest you just limit your intake on carbs

[gbrice75]

looking pretty cut there gbrice, i may have to hire you!

lol thanks bro, I work cheap! =)

[terraj]

If you are looking to go low carb.....It would be better to just pick some good complex carbs, reduce the amount you are taking in, and the time you eat them. In fact, a lot of veggies have a "negative caloric intake" so that would be pretty difficult to get the amount of calories your body needs...You would have to increase the fats in your proteins....So basically, it would be more like the atkin's diet.

The atkin's is fine for a week or so, but it shouldn't be something that is practiced all year long. Your body can only go so long without the carbs before you start doing more damage then good. I would suggest you just limit your intake on carbs

Who said anything about Atkins?

Swifto, what do you think the fat intake per meal would be?

[gbrice75]

Who said anything about Atkins?

LoL, i'm gonna leave this one alone... i've done enough arguing with Cal. Somebody else's turn, you game Terraj? =)

[terraj]

LoL, i'm gonna leave this one alone... i've done enough arguing with Cal. Somebody else's turn, you game Terraj? =)

I've read a few of his posts....boy is a roll and it's all downwards

[FireGuy]

I actually agree with most of what he (Cal) posted in this thread. I dont think he is speaking out against veggies, just stating trying to get all of your energy from a fibrous carb source is similiar to an Adkins approach.

[gbrice75]

I actually agree with most of what he (Cal) posted in this thread. I dont think he is speaking out against veggies, just stating trying to get all of your energy from a fibrous carb source is similiar to an Adkins approach.

Agreed, just wondering what relevance it had to Swifto's topic... he mentioned "if you are looking to go low carb".... and I didn't see Swifto mention that anywhere.

As far as what he said, in and of itself I agree with most of.

[FireGuy]

I see,in the original post it stated using these as a "main carb source" and used in a bulking diet. It looks like Cal drew the conclusion (as did I)that if these were your main carb sources you would have to eat a ton of them to get an adequate amount of calories and even then you may come up short. Hence, if the idea is to stay "low glycemic" as stated in the original post, why not just choose smaller amounts of complex carbs?
My opinion;
Veggies-All you can eat
Complex Carbs-In moderation and is much dependant upon your goals and amount of cardio you have plugged in.
Fruit-Small amounts (I love me some blueberry craizens in oatmeal) here and there. Completely cut out when in contest prep mode.

[gbrice75]

I see,in the original post it stated using these as a "main carb source" and used in a bulking diet. It looks like Cal drew the conclusion (as did I)that if these were your main carb sources you would have to eat a ton of them to get an adequate amount of calories and even then you may come up short. Hence, if the idea is to stay "low glycemic" as stated in the original post, why not just choose smaller amounts of complex carbs?
My opinion;
Veggies-All you can eat
Complex Carbs-In moderation and is much dependant upon your goals and amount of cardio you have plugged in.
Fruit-Small amounts (I love me some blueberry craizens in oatmeal) here and there. Completely cut out when in contest prep mode.

Blueberry craisins - I gotta try em, never had them before. I love blueberries and use fresh in my oats every day - but I bet they're really good craisin style too.

[FireGuy]

^^Just ran across them the other day. Kinda hard to find but well worth it! Just stay away from the chocolate covered Craizens I see they are now selling as well.

[gbrice75]

^^Just ran across them the other day. Kinda hard to find but well worth it! Just stay away from the chocolate covered Craizens I see they are now selling as well.

lol i'll save those for a cheat day. =P

They always do find a way to ruin natural foods though, huh?

Swifto, sorry about the hijack...

[Times Roman]

Every morning, I eat a bowl of old fashioned rolled oats

[calstate23]

Who said anything about Atkins?

Swifto, what do you think the fat intake per meal would be?

Well, I just took it as if he wanted to go low carb or find a way around "true" carb sources....How much carbs can you really get from veggies?? Not much...And fruits, it just ain't the same as a "true" carb source....So in the end, its basically atkins diet. Thats why I mentioned it.

And like I said most of the veggies he noted have a negative caloric intake. So even if he consumed 10 g carbs from celery and his body uses 20 to digest that celery that means its basically non existent..Therefore another reason why I would consider this more like atkins....

[tbody66]

LoL, i'm gonna leave this one alone... i've done enough arguing with Cal. Somebody else's turn, you game Terraj? =)

Play for blood, that's just my game!(what movie's that from?)

I've read a few of his posts....boy is a roll and it's all downwards

And I thought it would have been almost impossible to go further down then from where he started.

Well, I just took it as if he wanted to go low carb or find a way around "true" carb sources....How much carbs can you really get from veggies?? Not much...And fruits, it just ain't the same as a "true" carb source....So in the end, its basically atkins diet. Thats why I mentioned it.

And like I said most of the veggies he noted have a negative caloric intake. So even if he consumed 10 g carbs from celery and his body uses 20 to digest that celery that means its basically non existent..Therefore another reason why I would consider this more like atkins....

Cal, I know that you have stated in other posts that you have nothing to learn from anyone, but it would be very helpful, as I've requested on three separate threads now, for you to post up a resume'. Your information is consistently antiquated and presented in an "authoritative" manner with absolutely no respect earned for it to be so. Did we ever get the "brother-in-law" issue resolved?

[Damienm05]

All drama aside, blueberry craisins sound really good. Thanks for adding sugar to many future breakfasts by making me aware these exist.

[calstate23]

Well, I never really had an issue. I guess the issue was on here. I just posted a comment under my bros account. He didn't have a problem with it, I didn't have a problem with it. Like I said it is not my account.

And I don't really know anyone who would consider an all veggie and fruit carb source as not being low carb. I don't believe anyone would consider that old-fashioned, can that ever really be considered old-fashioned?? Anyway, not trying to be rude here, I'm just saying. You can get more carbs from the fruit but again it just isn't the same. Therefore, it would be low carb. I don't know how else I can put that without "Being rude or antiquated".

[tbody66]

Okay, sorry to the OP for making this off point.

To answer your simple and basic opening post, I do.

My current diet program carb intake, is oats for breakfast, two cups of raw veggies(celery, broccoli, bell peppers) with two meals, an apple with a third meal and half a sweet potatoe for the last meal, that's my carbs every day.

[calstate23]

Okay, sorry to the OP for making this off point.

To answer your simple and basic opening post, I do.

My current diet program carb intake, is oats for breakfast, two cups of raw veggies(celery, broccoli, bell peppers) with two meals, an apple with a third meal and half a sweet potatoe for the last meal, that's my carbs every day.

Well exactly. That's actually a HUGE difference from ONLY taking fruits and veggies. You are taking "true" carb sources. Oats for one meal and sweet potato for another. That makes a huge difference. Could you really imagine your workouts and how you would feel it you ate a banana instead of the oats in the morning and a pear instead of a sweet potato for last meal? You'd be out of it. Whether you think so or not, those oats and sweet potatoes are saving your life right now.

And still, even with the oats and sweet potato, you are on a low carb diet too...So in the end, isn't low carb?

[MuscleScience]

I do this now, I have a gluten sensitivity which sucks. I even go a step further and stay away from starchy veggies like corn or spuds.

[Tigershark]

I keep fresh fruits and vegatables in the house all the time. If I get hungry I will grab some fresh brocoli or an apple or plum. Stays off the hunger and adds some extra fiber to my diet.

[Swifto]

Well exactly. That's actually a HUGE difference from ONLY taking fruits and veggies. You are taking "true" carb sources. Oats for one meal and sweet potato for another. That makes a huge difference. Could you really imagine your workouts and how you would feel it you ate a banana instead of the oats in the morning and a pear instead of a sweet potato for last meal? You'd be out of it. Whether you think so or not, those oats and sweet potatoes are saving your life right now.

And still, even with the oats and sweet potato, you are on a low carb diet too...So in the end, isn't low carb?

This is what I was referring too.

Sorry if my post was confusing. I didnt mean carb sources, solely from fruit and vegtables, but making up a fair quantity. Although not avoiding complex carb sources.

I saw Phil outline what he ate for the day (below) and it got me thinking:

LBAs, olive oil, asparagus, greek yogurt, acai frozen pops, carb countdown chocolate milk, grass fed cattle butter, onions, garlic, turkey, water, E-mergency vitamin drink, carrot juice, watermelon, eggs, NO drink, tri O plex cookie, coconut oil, grass fed sausge............thats what I had yesterday.....neato

Apart from the obvious LBA plug, there arnt exaclty many complex carb sources in there...

[tbody66]

Well exactly. That's actually a HUGE difference from ONLY taking fruits and veggies. You are taking "true" carb sources. Oats for one meal and sweet potato for another. That makes a huge difference. Could you really imagine your workouts and how you would feel it you ate a banana instead of the oats in the morning and a pear instead of a sweet potato for last meal? You'd be out of it. Whether you think so or not, those oats and sweet potatoes are saving your life right now.

And still, even with the oats and sweet potato, you are on a low carb diet too...So in the end, isn't low carb?

The truth is that my energy levels are affected. I have ran the "power protein" diet in 92 and modified it to Dan Duchaines' BodyOpus, with a carb load every weekend to avoid the long term damages and to make the ketosis state effective every week. I always felt like a Zombie, half awake, half asleep, no energy ever, but I did notice that it sucked fat out of places that I never was able to get to before.

I know I'm on a low carb diet, my body responds better to fat as an energy source for fat burning. I read something recently, don't remember the source, that stated 47% of the population respond better to carb restrictions, 39% to fat restriction, for weight loss. They even were saying a test is available to find out which you are. Most of us on here have tried versions of all of them.

I don't know about a bulking diet though, but maybe possible on clean/lean bulk.