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Thread: Fruit in the ketogenic diet, can or can not?

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    Fruit in the ketogenic diet, can or can not?

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    on a medical keto diet , no fruit is not a good idea. on a performance based (physique enhancement) keto diet, yes fruit can be used sparingly .

    in fact on some of my clients diets that I have on "keto" I actually have some carbs put in at specific times. this is NOT going to throw them out of ketosis. or keep them from burning fat.

    people forget that GLYCOGEN cannot be used by the brain for fuel. ketosis is just a metabolic state your in when your brain is using ketones (produced by the liver) for fuel because there is not enough available glucose in the liver or blood. BUT there can still be plenty of glucose/glycogen stored in muscle cells.
    the glucose that is stored in muscle cells can ONLY be used for energy within the muscle it is stored in.. so its impossible for this glycogen to be released into the blood stream to fuel the brain and knock you out of ketosis.

    being this is true, you can consume some carbs and reload muscle glycogen and still be in ketosis on the keto diet.

    BUT keep in mind that fruit has as its main 'carb' as fructose. and fructose is a sugar/carb that can only be burned up as energy or stored as future energy in the liver.. fructose CANNOT be stored in the muscle as glycogen. . so if you want to be keto and still load muscle glycogen then your way better off using a glucose based carb/sugar and not fruit.

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    below I copy and pasted one of my clients training days diet.. this client is on "keto", but you can see how I utilize some amount of carbs to refuel glycogen stores, yet not knock him out of ketosis. I used very low glycemic carbs mixed with some fats to slow down digestion and limit the insulin response (pre workout) so that after training when glut 4 levels are high (ie, muscle cells are signaling for carbs) the sugars are slowly processed and assimilated and stored as muscle glycogen. there should be no spill over. but directly after training a faster acting carb is taken in

    Meal #1 (lipolytic emphasis no carbs)
    • 50 grams of protein from Chicken Breast, Fish, Lean Ground Turkey, Lean 
Ground Beef, or Blended Protein Powder 
(roughly 7oz serving of meat)
    • 25 grams of healthy fats from Almond Butter, Natural Peanut Butter, Macadamia Nut, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Avocado, Nuts, or any Nut Butters, Olives etc. 
 (roughly 1 whole avocado or a half cup of almonds)


    • Meal #2 (lipoyltic emphasis no carbs) 

    • 50 grams of protein from Chicken Breast, Fish, Lean Ground Turkey, Lean Ground Beef, Steak or Blended Protein Powder 
(roughly 7oz serving of meat)
    1 cup of veggies 


    • Meal #3 (PREWORKOUT) (anabolic emphasis) 

    • 50 grams of protein from Chicken Breast, Fish, Lean Ground Turkey, Lean Ground Beef, Steak, or Blended Protein Powder 
(roughly 7oz serving of meat)
    • 25 grams of carbohydrates coming from slower digesting carbohydrate sources like oats, wheat pasta, brown rice, sweet potato, etc. 
(roughly 1/2 cup of rice = 25g)
    • 25 grams of healthy fats from Almond Butter, Natural Peanut Butter, Macadamia Nut, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Avocado, Nuts, or any Nut Butters, Olives etc. 
 (roughly 1 whole avocado or a half cup of almonds)

    • Meal #4 (POST WORKOUT) (anabolic emphasis) 

    • 50 grams of protein from Chicken Breast, Fish, Lean Ground Turkey, Lean Ground Beef, Steak or Blended Protein Powder. OR Whey Isolate.
 (roughly 7oz serving of meat)
    • 45 grams of carbohydrates coming from any source that digests easily like white rice, white bagel, white potato. (roughly 1 cup of rice or 1 med potato)

    • Meal #5 (lipolytic emphasis)
    • 50 grams of protein from Chicken Breast, Fish, Lean Ground Turkey, Lean Ground Beef, Steak, or Blended Protein Powder (roughly 7oz serving of meat)
    • 25 grams of healthy fats from Almond Butter, Natural Peanut Butter, Macadamia Nut, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Avocado, Nuts, or any Nut Butters, Olives etc. 
 (roughly 1 whole avocado or a half cup of almonds)
    1.5 cup of Veggies

    • Rough Totals = 250g P / 70g C / 75g F 
= 1955 cals
    this is my 'performance' based keto diet. the client is in ketosis , but still maintains good energy levels in the gym and glycogen stores.. this is NOT consistent with a traditional 'medical keto' diet that is super high fat
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    Thanks brother !

    Let's see if I get it; You are saying that fruits in the ketogenic diet are just welcome to those who are pursuing the correct performance.
    On the contrary, those who are fat with high level of body fat; For Fruit Could Stop Weight Loss?

    performance person eat fruit during the week? I'm following a diet plan ckd, ketogenic diet cyclic, brother !!

    How do you think I should put the fruits in my diet because I eat fruits only in the carbohydrate load that is on the weekend, being 2 days; Saturday and Sunday.
    As you saw the reason for my topic is the doubt if I can eat fruit during the fruit week. From what you mentioned, I can; but I'm afraid of gaining body fat. Fruit carbs are very high, how could I adapt to fruit being that I'm eating 30 grams of carbohydrates on weekdays, brother? That's my question, the fruit seems to be a villain to me. They are high in carbohydrates because of fructose. Thanks in advance, because you are clarifying my doubts. Everlasting gratitude, I await your response !!!

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    if you chose to eat fruits during your carb re-feed days , or even adding in a small amount on normal days, then your going to be better off going with a fruit that is low in fructose (higher in glucose). so like a Banana, Blue berries, apricot. with these type of fruits you can utilize the sugars as stored energy as muscle glycogen (where as with fructose you cannot).

    having a banana post workout when glut 4 levels are elevated is likely going to refuel muscle glycogen, and NOT be stored as body fat. its also likely NOT going to throw you out of ketosis (even though with a CKD being in ketosis is not the goal per se).

    having a high fructose fruit like grapes, apple, or cherries post workout (or anytime really) is not going to be ideal. even if glut 4 levels are elevated and your muscle is starving for glycogen, the fructose cannot be stored as glycogen (it can only be burned up as energy, stored in the liver or stored/converted as fat).
    when your in ketosis , you do not really want any carbs that are going to be stored in the liver . the liver likes to store sugar as a back up to provide your brain with fuel, and when your brain is running off of sugar/carbs for energy then your NOT in ketosis.
    but again, if your body is storing carbs as muscle glycogen, then you can stay in ketosis
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    So I can use fruits with CARBOHYDRATES, so that they supra my glycogen immediately. I should eat fruits like banana and apricot, any fruit with high carbohydrate content, because the carbohydrate is converted to glucose, right?
    And fructose can not be stored as glycogen, it can only be used as energy and can even be stored as body fat. Excellent brother, you opened my eyes !!!
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    You are saying you have clients consuming 70g+ of carbs per day and maintaining 0.5mmol or higher levels of blood ketones ? With only 70g of fats per day ?

    Do you have any bloodwork to show that? Because I would love to see how you can disprove all of Dr. Dominic D'agistino's and Dr. Rhonda Patrick's research over the last 10 years with your claim.

    Gonna call BS that you have people in nutritional ketosis with only 70g of Fats and 70g of Carbs per day. Let alone the likelihood of gluconeogensis with the abundance of protein and absence of fats.

    Show me someone's Ketone Blood monitor showing 0.5mmol or better on that program, otherwise you are just deceiving/misleading people by trying to spin a low carb program into keto which is what dime a dozen personal trainers do. Then they try to sell it even harder by adding buzz words like "performance".
    . Ketosis is defined by both blood ketone and blood glucose levels. Attaching a word like medical or performance in front of it doesn't change that fact.
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    I had not noticed her Ketogenic diet food plan.
    But looking now, 75 grams of fat equals 675 calories
    And 675 calories, it's 34.53%.
    Does the body only enter ketosis, if percentages go from 40% to 60%?

    Brother, I am not going against your method of work; because I know you're a capable guy.

    But scientifically the body only goes into ketosis if the fat is from 40%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You are saying you have clients consuming 70g+ of carbs per day and maintaining 0.5mmmol or higher levels of blood ketones ? With only 70g of fats per day ?

    Do you have any bloodwork to show that?
    well what I'm mainly saying is that being in "ketosis" all the time is not necessary to get the physique or fat loss benefits out of a modified low carb "keto" style diet. but anyways...
    70g of carbs around training only, and then no carbs and high fat on off days provides for a net negative weekly carb balance (as the workout design is fairly glycoletic in nature and burns through way more carbs in one session then is consumed for the day).. SO, there is not going to be extra available glucose for the brain to run off of (the brain requires 600 cals of just glucose alone per day) and so its going to have to run off of ketones .. and THAT is essentially what 'ketosis' is (if your blood ketones are high or low, no difference really as long as your brain is not glucose dependent your essential 'keto').

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    Do you have any bloodwork to show that?
    LOL .. even testing blood ketones with an at home keto/glucose meter is absolutely irrelevant for a physique athlete. let alone wasting time and money on actual blood work .. thats ridiculous imo.
    like I said, getting lean is getting lean (you don't have to have high blood levels of ketones for a "keto like" diet to get you shredded). the production of ketones for the brain to run off of is just a secondary thing that naturally happens , its surely NOT the goal.

    and yes you'll likely be in ketosis most of the time if your only consuming 350g of carbs total for the week , yet burning through 800+g of carbs in your training on top of the brain requiring another 1000g of carbs per week to function. your body will have to be producing ketones with that net negative of a glucose balance. not sure why thats even a question or why you would want blood work to show that.

    note: I do not tell clients to pee on keto sticks or check their ketone levels with a blood meter. however clients have done this on their own initiative and told me they were in ketosis.. I basically tell them I don't care wither they are in ketosis or not and that it does not matter for their goals. but if they want to check it for their on shits and giggles , thats fine. but it means nothing to me as their coach.
    IF I was a doctor prescribing a truly medical keto diet, then yes perhaps ketone levels may have some slight relevance. but not for physique enhancement
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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    I had not noticed her Ketogenic diet food plan.
    But looking now, 75 grams of fat equals 675 calories
    And 675 calories, it's 34.53%.
    Does the body only enter ketosis, if percentages go from 40% to 60%?

    Brother, I am not going against your method of work; because I know you're a capable guy.

    But scientifically the body only goes into ketosis if the fat is from 40%

    your fat consumption is irrelevant on wither your liver will produce ketones or not. producing ketones is a survival mechanism the body has in case your body is no longer capable of producing/consuming enough carbs/glucose to fuel your brain.
    if your starving , your body wlll begin producing ketones and your brains energy metabolism will switch over from glucose to ketones (wither dietary fat is high or not)

    its that simple. what you eat or how much fat you consume is not really an issue.. its simply if your in a net negative glucose balance, your liver will produce ketones in order to fuel the brain.
    your body will also attempt to convert amino acids / protein, into glucose to try and fuel the brain as well .. but again if your in a net deficit the liver will begin prodcing ketones simply because their is not enough available glucose (the brain requiring roughly 600 cals of glucose per day).

    keep in mind that your brain CANNOT utilize fat for energy (like lots of other cells in you body can) . it can only run directly off of glucose or off of ketones . so dietary fat itself is going to do nothing for your brain

    also, despite what keto advocates will proclaim , your body is perfectly capable of burning fat wither your in ketosis or not. if your brain is running off of glucose, the rest of the body can still run off of and burn fat. in fact your body can go back and fourth from burning carbs as energy to burning fats for energy every other minute all day long
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    well what I'm mainly saying is that being in "ketosis" all the time is not necessary to get the physique or fat loss benefits out of a modified low carb "keto" style diet. but anyways...
    70g of carbs around training only, and then no carbs and high fat on off days provides for a net negative weekly carb balance (as the workout design is fairly glycoletic in nature and burns through way more carbs in one session then is consumed for the day).. SO, there is not going to be extra available glucose for the brain to run off of (the brain requires 600 cals of just glucose alone per day) and so its going to have to run off of ketones .. and THAT is essentially what 'ketosis' is (if your blood ketones are high or low, no difference really as long as your brain is not glucose dependent your essential 'keto').


    LOL .. even testing blood ketones with an at home keto/glucose meter is absolutely irrelevant for a physique athlete. let alone wasting time and money on actual blood work .. thats ridiculous imo.
    like I said, getting lean is getting lean (you don't have to have high blood levels of ketones for a "keto like" diet to get you shredded). the production of ketones for the brain to run off of is just a secondary thing that naturally happens , its surely NOT the goal.

    and yes you'll likely be in ketosis most of the time if your only consuming 350g of carbs total for the week , yet burning through 800+g of carbs in your training on top of the brain requiring another 1000g of carbs per week to function. your body will have to be producing ketones with that net negative of a glucose balance. not sure why thats even a question or why you would want blood work to show that.

    note: I do not tell clients to pee on keto sticks or check their ketone levels with a blood meter. however clients have done this on their own initiative and told me they were in ketosis.. I basically tell them I don't care wither they are in ketosis or not and that it does not matter for their goals. but if they want to check it for their on shits and giggles , thats fine. but it means nothing to me as their coach.
    IF I was a doctor prescribing a truly medical keto diet, then yes perhaps ketone levels may have some slight relevance. but not for physique enhancement
    The Ketostix have been discussed ad naseum and have been shown to be irrelevant for testing beyond the first initial weeks of a nutritional ketosis diet. The gold standard is bloodwork.

    The testing at home proves they are in fact in Ketosis as Ketosis is defined by blood values, not some personal trainers idea of what it is.


    You are just deceiving people by calling it Ketosis when it is infact a low carb diet.

    Low Carb and Keto are not the same thing whatsoever. Trying to spin low carb as Keto is just stupid.

    You might be a certified personal trainer, but you understand zero about ketosis in the body. You are doing a disservice to whoever is being coached by you by telling them they are in Ketosis with zero proof to show it.


    Like I said previously, If you had people in Nutritional Ketosis with 70g of carbs and only 75g of fats per day you would have dis-proven both D'agistino and Patrick - which in turn would allow you to challenge both their PHD's and then get yourself your own to post in your gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    The Ketostix have been discussed ad naseum and have been shown to be irrelevant.
    you must be having trouble reading . not only are ketostix irrelevant , the whole idea of checking for ketosis for physique enhancement is totally irrelevant itself all together . it does NOT matter. thats my point.. so the fact that you say ketostix are irrelevant , IS irrelevant of an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    The Ketostix have been discussed ad naseum and have been shown to be irrelevant for testing beyond the first initial weeks of a nutritional ketosis diet. The gold standard is bloodwork.

    The testing at home proves they are in fact in Ketosis as Ketosis is defined by blood values, not some personal trainers idea of what it is.


    You are just deceiving people by calling it Ketosis when it is infact a low carb diet.

    Low Carb and Keto are not the same thing whatsoever. Trying to spin low carb as Keto is just stupid.

    You might be a certified personal trainer, but you understand zero about ketosis in the body. You are doing a disservice to whoever is being coached by you by telling them they are in Ketosis with zero proof to show it.


    Like I said previously, If you had people in Nutritional Ketosis with 70g of carbs and only 75g of fats per day you would have dis-proven both D'agistino and Patrick - which in turn would allow you to challenge both their PHD's and then get yourself your own to post in your gym.
    my job is to get people in shape . NOT get them in nutritional or medical ketosis . I've already stated several times that is not my goal with a "keto like" diet .. i already clearly said the diet is NOT traditional keto .

    whats your fucking problem . this thread is about fruit. you got something to say about fruit. or you wanna just go suck a PHDs dick or something .

    go start your own damn thread about nutritional ketosis if you want to be the on board ketosis expert around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    my job is to get people in shape . NOT get them in nutritional or medical ketosis . I've already stated several times that is not my goal with a "keto like" diet .. i already clearly said the diet is NOT traditional keto .

    whats your fucking problem . this thread is about fruit. you got something to say about fruit. or you wanna just go suck a PHDs dick or something .

    go start your own damn thread about nutritional ketosis if you want to be the on board ketosis expert around here.
    from you

    "below I copy and pasted one of my clients training days diet.. this client is on "keto", but you can see how I utilize some amount of carbs to refuel glycogen stores, yet not knock him out of ketosis. I used very low glycemic carbs mixed with some fats to slow down digestion and limit the insulin response (pre workout) so that after training when glut 4 levels are high (ie, muscle cells are signaling for carbs) the sugars are slowly processed and assimilated and stored as muscle glycogen. there should be no spill over. but directly after training a faster acting carb is taken in"

    That person is not on Keto yet you claim they are. Now you are changing it in this quoted post to "Keto-like".

    You are trying to interchange low-carb with Keto which is not the same thing and are incapable of admitting when you make a mistake.

    Making a silly comment like sucking PHD just further illustrates the lack of professionalism and integrity
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    just an FYI - years ago I used to be in the same Keto "camp" your probably in right now Windex . I had all the books, followed all the Keto advocates with their PHDs, sat through hours and hours of lectures and "keto" seminars.

    but I grew up and grew out of that little phase I was in . realizing that for real world results for PHYSIQUE ENHANCEMENTS , that the keto crowd is just a small click and one small tool to utilzie here and there . its not the end all be all of nutrition, and its surely not a 'religion' like some of you people make it into
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    I have always read scientific articles saying that ketosis only occurs when the fat is in the percentage of at least 40% and above that.
    So in my diet, I'm consuming 60% of fats on weekdays.
    Just over the weekend, in the carbohydrate loading period I lower fat, leaving about 20%, while raising the carbohydrate to 60% of my daily calories.

    Well, I am anonymous in this discussion, because my question about fruit in the diet has already been clarified. Gratitude !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
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    "below I copy and pasted one of my clients training days diet.. this client is on "keto", but you can see how I utilize some amount of carbs to refuel glycogen stores, yet not knock him out of ketosis. I used very low glycemic carbs mixed with some fats to slow down digestion and limit the insulin response (pre workout) so that after training when glut 4 levels are high (ie, muscle cells are signaling for carbs) the sugars are slowly processed and assimilated and stored as muscle glycogen. there should be no spill over. but directly after training a faster acting carb is taken in"

    That person is not on Keto yet you claim they are. Now you are changing it in this quoted post to "Keto-like".

    You are trying to interchange low-carb with Keto which is not the same thing and are incapable of admitting when you make a mistake.

    Making a silly comment like sucking PHD just further illustrates the lack of professionalism and integrity
    this is what I said

    ""this is my 'performance' based keto diet. the client is in ketosis , but still maintains good energy levels in the gym and glycogen stores.. this is NOT consistent with a traditional 'medical keto' diet that is super high fat"

    I made this clear from the onset that this example food plan I gave was NOT traditional keto. what the hell more of a "disclaimer" do you want


    as for professionalism and integrity .. you jumping in this thread and ridiculing my job and how I do it and how I make my living for no other reason then that fact that you have personal issues with me (not even touching on the OPs question) , now that is lacking "professionalism" for someone with the title 'monitor' below their name.
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    also, why the heck do you even care that the food plan example I gave out is simply "low carb" and not "traditional keto" . whats it matter to you !! . like I said, I gave it as an example of something that wasn't supposed to be traditional keto anyways. hell that was my point on how it wasn't traditional keto
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    windex, if you happen to be an advocate and disciple of traditional keto diets. then good for you.

    but theres a whole world out there where diets get tweaked and changed to meet individual and personal needs. I'd be a horrible diet coach if all I did was prescribe every single client the same cookie cutter keto diet. . if you want to accuse me of making up something "new" and "different" then traditional keto , then good. I'll take that as a compliment . you go ahead and keep on with your same cookie cutter keto philosophy if you like (it doesn't bother me one bit , I'm sorry my diet protocols for some reason bother you though)
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    Windex is the way he works with patients, so you do not have to justify the method.


    Maybe the patients are his as a ripped Andreas Munzer. It's silly to take the discussion forward!
    Like I said, I follow ckd with basic principles; I do not like anything different.
    I did the topic because I miss fruits. And I was not eating fruit during the week, just during the loading period.
    Monitor Windex, I know you also have extensive knowledge; and I confess that I hope to learn a lot from you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    I have always read scientific articles saying that ketosis only occurs when the fat is in the percentage of at least 40% and above that.
    So in my diet, I'm consuming 60% of fats on weekdays.
    Just over the weekend, in the carbohydrate loading period I lower fat, leaving about 20%, while raising the carbohydrate to 60% of my daily calories.

    Well, I am anonymous in this discussion, because my question about fruit in the diet has already been clarified. Gratitude !!
    well your going to have to get your calories in somehow, and fat is the one macro that has no glucogenic effect in the body (both carbs and protein can be broken down into glucose). so fat is the macro you should be consuming the most of if your trying to keep glucose way down and get into ketosis.
    but keep in mind that a starvation diet is also ketogenic (meaning you will go into ketosis), a multiple week long water fast is also ketogenic (meaning you will go into ketosis). you don't need dietary fat to go into ketosis. your body has plenty of stored body fat to utilize.

    but of course you have to eat. so consuming fat as your main source of calories is definitely going to help promote ketosis. so you are correct in that aspect, consuming upwards of even 75% of all your calories from fats is going to be more "keto" friendly (again, as carbs and proteins will produce glucose and illicit an insulin release).
    but you don't 'have to' eat fats to go into ketosis . its just that you do have to eat something, and fat is that one choice that will keep glucose levels down and thus your liver producing ketones to provide energy for your brain.

    so if ketosis is part of your goal, consuming a majority of your cals from fats is a good idea . if your more concerned with just getting lean, and not so worried about being in ketosis, you can do "modified" keto ... which some guys legalistically want to say isn't keto and is just "low carb" lol.
    but again, a starvation diet is not officially a keto diet either , yet you'll still go into ketosis.

    keto is a 'term' used to describe a metabolic state your body is in. its not an official "diet" that the keto freaks have a coined for themselves and their way of dieting. keto can be low carb, no carb, starvation, high fat, etc.. your body does not know what fad diet its on, it simply knows that the brain is deficient in glucose for energy and it has to begin making ketones for energy instead. it can do this wither your on an official high fat "keto" diet or not

    I used to think that if you were not doing exactly 70% fats, 25% protein, 5% carbs (trace carb only) that you were NOT doing "keto" . but thats just silly. keto/ketosis is not a fad diet, its a bodily function or metabolic state. your body can get into ketosis without having any clue what your macro break down is
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    davimeireles,

    I am on a keto diet as we are currently doing the most improved competition and it has always worked well for me. Now, all my food is delivered so not much to think about but as you were asking about fruit my post might be relevant.

    The food that is delivered provides roughly ~2k calories/day. Sometimes more, sometimes less but pretty close to that number. From a percentage standpoint, it is 80% fat, 15% protein, and 5% carbs. Because I live in a place where fruit is plentiful I am always adding in about 200-300g of some random fruit every day. Lately, it has been Strawberries as we are in that season. Adding in some fruits provides me with that feeling of almost having a dessert. I land somewhere between 30-70g of carbs/day and, for me, it keeps me in the low carb area. I generally have to stay below 50g to be in actual ketosis so I am, I'm guessing here, bouncing in and out of that state a bit.

    I have from a fat loss standpoint, only applying to myself, seen about zero difference between being in actual ketosis and just winging it in the low carb area.

    Just my 2c but maybe not even worth that much :-)
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    You can have some fruit, because most fruit is high in fiber. Fiber “buffers,” the glycemic index a bit. So you don’t get the same rush of sugars dumping into the blood as you would have after eating pasta for example.

    Choose berries as they are the most fiber rich of the fruits. Even though fructose is the component sugar. Glucose is turned into glucose 6 phosphate and later fructose 6 phosphate in glycolysis. So fructose in and of its self isn’t a bad thing per say. Getting it in without fiber is probably worse.

    My Keto diet break down is usually 40-50% protein,35- 40% fat and on a bad day about 5–10% carbs. Which is about 20-25g as I am usually at 2000-2200 kcal total for the day. It does take me longer to get into ketosis than it would If I did a much higher percentage of fat. But my goal isn’t exactly to get into ketosis it’s more to elicit my own body fat as a fatty acid source. Which believe me, i have enough of...lol
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    I count where I’m at for the last meal of the day and will add in a whey protein shake with or without a fat source to bring my numbers up before I go into a 14hr fast. I’ve found with fasting, that my appetite isn’t as controlling and sometimes I don’t get enough to eat during the day.
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