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    simple math its great thanks

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    great post

    hey dude thanks for the imfo,and telling the newbie what works and what doesnt

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    Even with EQ? Why so much hesitation?

    People say EQ works better at 10-14wk range. Seems like if I frontload it to do it for 8wks, I'd have the SAME EFFECTIVE RANGE as a longer cycle without a frontload...RIGHT?

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    SHOULD YOU FRONT LOAD ON YOUR FIRST CYCLE????????

    HOW BAD WILL SIDE EFFECTS (gyno, acne) BE IF YOU FRONT LOAD????

    WHAT IS THE HALF LIFE OF TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE ???????

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    I hope you're right, cause im gonna do that next cycle with my test and deca , but cany ou dwell on increasing the dose throughout the cycle

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    Bumping this for STICKYYYYYYYY!!!! I just learned what frontloading is and the way you broke it down with mgs was awsome man!!! I know this is old but seriously awsome thread

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    This post has been around almost 3 years now...Cleared things up for me. Thanks for the info.

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    ye thanks

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    I still dont understand why it takes 4 weeks for Test E to kick in, I understand the frontloading formula, but is there a certain mg per lb of body weight threshold where the effects just start being felt?
    He said he would explain when gear would kick in and if you read carefully its not mentioned ONCE in the whole post, just the mg progression in comparison to frontloading, I want to know WHY biologically, it takes roughly 4 weeks to work. That WAS NOT explained in this post as the title implied it would.

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    bump - awesome post, started my cycle yesterday with frontloading test E. Love it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL View Post
    Yeah i think i will do that, the problem is getting them to read it...XXL
    This noob read it!

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    Bump by a newbie

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    I see.

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    Question frontloading wit sus

    and if i where to run 500mgs of sus a week for 10 weeks, am i supposed to take 1000mgs on day 1 then 500 on day 7??? but why do i keep hearing people say that sus should be shot eod? would frontloading be necesary if i inject eod?

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    sust should be shot eod, and frontloading with sust is not needed, it's for long esters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    sust should be shot eod, and frontloading with sust is not needed, it's for long esters.
    Why not needed ? Sust consists of not only long ester but also medium and short ester.
    Sust consists of 4 esters carried totaled 250 mg test. Proprionate and phenylpropionate work immediately after injection, they work only for short time, cypionate work later than the two above but vanished later. Decanoate is the longest ester starting to act and have very long life, that is why for sust users should wait 18 or 3 weeks to start PCT after the last injection.
    Several days after the first sust injection the test level working are very low because only propionate and phenylpropionate play the role.
    Front loading needed ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavelover View Post
    Why not needed ? Sust consists of not only long ester but also medium and short ester.
    Sust consists of 4 esters carried totaled 250 mg test. Proprionate and phenylpropionate work immediately after injection, they work only for short time, cypionate work later than the two above but vanished later. Decanoate is the longest ester starting to act and have very long life, that is why for sust users should wait 18 or 3 weeks to start PCT after the last injection.
    Several days after the first sust injection the test level working are very low because only propionate and phenylpropionate play the role.
    Front loading needed ???
    SORRY it is not cypionate, the correct one is isocaproate.

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    can you still frontload if you use dbol for a kickstart?

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    How much do i have to frontload if im planning on taking test e for 12 weeks at 500mgs/wk? nebody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuio View Post
    How much do i have to frontload if im planning on taking test e for 12 weeks at 500mgs/wk? nebody?
    You would take 500mg in one shot and then follow 250mgs for your second shot that wk, then follow the same 250mgs twice a wk for the remainder. I would have a monitor check that though.

    So if you frontload the 500mgs the first shot does that mean you skip your last shot of your cycle or it really doesn't matter?

    If your usinmg Tren with Test E you would just administer it regularly because it's a long ester...right? 14days?

    1-12 Test E 300mgs twice a wk (frontload the 600mgs ist shot)
    2-10 Tren E 175mgs twice a wk
    Run HCG twice a wk @250iu until PCT starts
    Follow anthony Roberts PCT -HCG because I'll use it during my cycle to keep the boys in check and PCT responds better.

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    Thumbs up

    Awesome thread to!!!!

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    I still rather be on the first cycle. Frontloading may be favorable to some, but I am not a fan. I don't like going from not taking steroids to 500 mg all at once. I rather slowly build up the amount in my body, so that if I notice any sides or anything I can't tolerate I can adjust or stop taking them. Might take a little longer to reach the goal dosage, but worth it imo.

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    awsome post im glad im taking the time to read everything good stuff to know and makes perfect sense

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    wow
    i dont read much but ha its the best thing iv read all year
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    I just wish I would have read this post a week ago, but either way great post!

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    Do you recommend frontloading a first cycle of test E only?

    I'm a little confused. 1st shot double (500), do you still do your 2nd shot that week? so monday 500, thursday 250, then 250 monday/thursday the rest of the way out?

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    I haven't seen an answer yet. Is this recommended for a first cycle?

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    Good post thanks for explaining it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kizza234 View Post
    Do you recommend frontloading a first cycle of test E only?

    I'm a little confused. 1st shot double (500), do you still do your 2nd shot that week? so monday 500, thursday 250, then 250 monday/thursday the rest of the way out?
    you would do your first 2 shots at double the dose. if your running 500mg pw for the duration of the cycle, you want to use 1000mg in the first week. if your shooting twice a week you split the 1000mg up over 2 shots of 500mg.

    For all the other weeks split up your weekly dose (500mg) into 2 shots of 250mg. Hope that helped.

    .....Mon...Thurs
    w1 500...500
    w2 250...250
    w3 250...250
    w4 250...250
    w5 250...250

    ect

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    After reading this I am now sure I will frontload my omnadren ....cycle starts next week.

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    Bump. Is frontloading recommended for a first cycle?

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    i just did my ifrst shot of enanthate 300mg 2 days ago should i just do my second shot tomarrow? the front load method sounds good i will use it next time for sure. any advice to me would help hell of a alot i am knowleable but still like the adive to learn as much as possible.i got a bottle of enanthate 300mg and was goin to dose every four days then when im done with this bottle continue onto another stacked with an additional roid and suggestions? estrogen blockers while on my cycle?

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    Hey guys ive got 20ml of test e (250) sitting at home and i am anxious to start my first cycle. I was going to go for the simple =

    week 1 - 10 : Mon - (1ml , 250) and Thurs - (1ml , 250)..

    Reading this i am keen to front load but at the same time im scared to be jabbing 1000mg of test off the bat for a first cycle. And if i do so, ill need to reduce the duration of my cycle to 9 weeks as opposed to 10.

    Any tips guys ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntobeblue View Post
    can you still frontload if you use dbol for a kickstart?
    bump...curious to know as well

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    It's a beauty of a post......very self explanatory.

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