What's the most amount of time you can use HCG

[Positiveweight]

Need an emergency PCT. Just know it's necessary, I'll avoid the unfortunate bits.

Thinking regular four week PCT but then move to 500IU weekly for one month then 250IU for two more while using Clomid along side. Then move down to just Clomid therapy for two weeks to give my natural genetic baseline a chance to eventually make a full to damn near close recovery.

[Positiveweight]

So I read an article on a study done on men who where in the same situation I'm facing. Was done with 21 men, forget the amount of controls, placebos, etc etc were done but this is what they did between these ranges for this long.

HCG:
1000IU weekly for 6 months!
1500IU weekly for 6 months!
2000IU weekly for 6 months!

Everything was measured... All the way to how bodybuilders measure their body parts the same was done in the study for their manhood...

Everything was essentially positive. Bros who were suffering from ED reported full recovery from ED and those who had the bad part of hypogonadism. Where your manhood and jewels shrink. Reported full recoveries!

So that has me thinking of doing 1000IU a week for 6 months. This article and study was also done as to figure out if there are alternatives to curing low T rather then with exogenous testosterone.

As always. If the men don't or didn't keep up with healthy routines or stopped the fight with generalized depression. Boom things started to back pedal. However for some in the study. Hitting the rock bottom they had before the study was no where in sight except for some unfortunate few.

Those who kept up with their health afterwards. We're basically cured. Now they haven't done stuff yet like 2 year check ins. But it worked is basically what I'm saying.

What you all figure about this?

[Cylon357]

HCG is suppressive to the HPTA in the long run, I like to call it "eventually suppressive". So no, I don't think HCG in PCT is a good idea for most men. The time for HCG is, IMO, during cycle or TRT, and leading up to PCT. HCG solo imitates LH and thus suppresses LH output eventually.

Enclomiphene (clomid if you can't find enclo) and nolvadex are a goooood PCT.

[Positiveweight]

I'm one to not shy away from long term use of HCG, it's been so long since I've cycled that even by the time "therapy" is done. Attempting to jump on a real cycle or anything of that nature would still be a distance in the future. So I'm getting shutdown... But isn't this shutdown serving a purpose other then muscle gain and is more of a "hey lets get your manhood and family jewels a jump start" thing? I've been on HCG alone when running classic PCT or attempting to use it during TRT. I will say when using it, it puts creatine to shame and for obvious reason. filled me in real quick.

I just finished reading another article on gonadotropin therapy that was conducted by totally different group from a different country. It was the same thing. A minimal of 3-6 months of use with a staggering dose of up to 2000IU weekly dosed three times a week. Some were hooked up to butterfly needles that gave a constant stream throughout the day which to me is a bit extreme. Could it be that gonadotropin therapy is something that I don't want to say is alien from AAS use. But is a study in it of its own perhaps?

Again I hear you on the shutdown. That LH ironically gets shutdown in the process. But could it be that this form of therapy really does kick LH in the ass by the end of the therapy? Both different studies reported great success after therapy was over.





Clomid and Nolvadex. If you're still shaking your head as a no no even with the given studies of gonadotropin therapy existing. What's your take on my original thoughts. Titrating off of HCG over the span of two or three months then yes. Eventually titrate to Clomid and Nolvadex until my systems can finally restore themselves. All of this would be supplemented with a healthy diet and consistent training. I don't think recovering LH would even be possible without the gym in the first place.

[Cylon357]

I'm one to not shy away from long term use of HCG, it's been so long since I've cycled that even by the time "therapy" is done. Attempting to jump on a real cycle or anything of that nature would still be a distance in the future. So I'm getting shutdown... But isn't this shutdown serving a purpose other then muscle gain and is more of a "hey lets get your manhood and family jewels a jump start" thing? I've been on HCG alone when running classic PCT or attempting to use it during TRT. I will say when using it, it puts creatine to shame and for obvious reason. filled me in real quick.

I just finished reading another article on gonadotropin therapy that was conducted by totally different group from a different country. It was the same thing. A minimal of 3-6 months of use with a staggering dose of up to 2000IU weekly dosed three times a week. Some were hooked up to butterfly needles that gave a constant stream throughout the day which to me is a bit extreme. Could it be that gonadotropin therapy is something that I don't want to say is alien from AAS use. But is a study in it of its own perhaps?

Again I hear you on the shutdown. That LH ironically gets shutdown in the process. But could it be that this form of therapy really does kick LH in the ass by the end of the therapy? Both different studies reported great success after therapy was over.





Clomid and Nolvadex. If you're still shaking your head as a no no even with the given studies of gonadotropin therapy existing. What's your take on my original thoughts. Titrating off of HCG over the span of two or three months then yes. Eventually titrate to Clomid and Nolvadex until my systems can finally restore themselves. All of this would be supplemented with a healthy diet and consistent training. I don't think recovering LH would even be possible without the gym in the first place.

You said in your OP you needed an "Emergency PCT" and not to worry about why. Now, maybe you should fill in some details, because you seem all over the place, and your question (or questions, maybe?) is / are hard to understand.

What is your situation?

What do you want to do in the short term?

What do you want to do in the long term?

[Positiveweight]

My situation:
LH levels and sex hormone (which was midrange) seem to be struggling.
Endo said my boys were plump and even with the charts saying rock bottom LH he said no to even clomid.
Kind of want to recover from hypogonadism. It's been a long time coming and the longer it goes the more it seems I'm checking off more of the boxes for it.
So I want to take matters into my own hands.

What to I expect or want long term?
To be back at a full natty level where despite high levels of testosterone alone. I can live a life where TRT and HCG (ironically) are just an option and not a necessity. If this makes any sense.

[Cylon357]

My situation:
LH levels and sex hormone (which was midrange) seem to be struggling.
Endo said my boys were plump and even with the charts saying rock bottom LH he said no to even clomid.
Kind of want to recover from hypogonadism. It's been a long time coming and the longer it goes the more it seems I'm checking off more of the boxes for it.
So I want to take matters into my own hands.

What to I expect or want long term?
To be back at a full natty level where despite high levels of testosterone alone. I can live a life where TRT and HCG (ironically) are just an option and not a necessity. If this makes any sense.

Ok, so you are getting off for fertility reasons and intend to stay off for a while. Got it.

Take a look at enclomiphene. It is NOT suppressive. Here is all I know on the subject:
https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...formation.html

[Positiveweight]

Ok, so you are getting off for fertility reasons and intend to stay off for a while. Got it.

Take a look at enclomiphene. It is NOT suppressive. Here is all I know on the subject:
https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...formation.html

It's gone beyond fertility issues and into the deep end of things. We're both obviously aren't speaking to each other to entertain natty methods here. I'm taking the fastest way around this mountain and its well deserved considering 2022 was the worst year in my life to date.

I'll take a look at enclomiphene but if I can get all hands on deck for this situation that is much preferred.

On a side note Cylon357. I'm going to do more work with gonadotropin therapy and come back armed with some more knowledge. So we can butt heads again here and have some fun

[Cylon357]

It's gone beyond fertility issues and into the deep end of things. We're both obviously aren't speaking to each other to entertain natty methods here. I'm taking the fastest way around this mountain and its well deserved considering 2022 was the worst year in my life to date.

I'll take a look at enclomiphene but if I can get all hands on deck for this situation that is much preferred.

On a side note Cylon357. I'm going to do more work with gonadotropin therapy and come back armed with some more knowledge. So we can butt heads again here and have some fun

Hopefully you will get it all sorted out. Good luck!

We can butt heads again if you like, though I may have missed it the first time

Seriously though, there really isn't much else to say about HCG solo therapy. If it wasn't eventually suppressive, everybody could and would just use it without test. It would be a wonder drug.

[Positiveweight]

Currently. & This is coming from urologists, anti aging, endocrinologist and the such. If extreme intervention is required then this is what is pinned. Mind you this is after attempting Clomid therapy with possibly some Nolvadex. But as we both know doctors will be conservative unless you can really create a valid argument/have the blood work saying "It says it right here!" Lol.

Between 250IU - 750IU EOD
On a 14 day loop that brings you to 875IU to 2625IU weekly. However it is only done for six weeks. If this does not work then individual intervention based on the patients personal genetic makeup and situation is done.

So this experimenting with, literally a study. Of using HCG for up to 3-6 months was for a study which of course yielded excellent results.

I'd like to point out on a side note. That each study said that there is no inherent danger of using HCG for this long. None of them brought up the issue with it being ironically suppressive and were able to conclude successful results once therapy was over.

I'm still looking into it and haven't forgotten your suggestion. Oh and with the Frontliner of trying only clomid first. An issue was brought up that you'll actually build a tolerance overtime with clomid and need to switch to HCG until the tolerance is lowered. With the study that's actually in practice... The six weeker... Like most doctors. The goal is to only use as much is needed and intervene only if there is little to no success.

The trials that lengthened the experiment for months. I think they're being done for yes, discovering different methods of treating low T. Which is a little witty since on exogenous hormone therapy your HPTA is shutdown anyway. But also to deal with the loss of size that can happen through hypogonadism.

I'm still reading into it. I'll keep you posted Cylon357

[Cylon357]

Currently. & This is coming from urologists, anti aging, endocrinologist and the such. If extreme intervention is required then this is what is pinned. Mind you this is after attempting Clomid therapy with possibly some Nolvadex. But as we both know doctors will be conservative unless you can really create a valid argument/have the blood work saying "It says it right here!" Lol.

Between 250IU - 750IU EOD
On a 14 day loop that brings you to 875IU to 2625IU weekly. However it is only done for six weeks. If this does not work then individual intervention based on the patients personal genetic makeup and situation is.

So this experimenting with, literally a study. Of using HCG for up to 3-6 months was for a study which of course yielded excellent results.

I'd like to point out on a side note. That each study said that there is no inherent danger of using HCG for this long. None of them brought up the issue with it being ironically suppressive and were able to conclude successful results once therapy was over.

I'm still looking into it and haven't forgotten your suggestion. Oh and with the Frontliner of trying only clomid first. An issue was brought up that you'll actually build a tolerance overtime with clomid and need to switch to HCG until the tolerance is lowered. Of course with the study that's actually in practice... The six weeker... Like all doctors the goal is to only use as much is needed and intervene only if there is little to no success.

The trials that lengthened the experiment for months. I think it's yes for not only combating different methods of treating low T. But also to deal with the loss of size that can happen through hypogonadism.

I'm still reading into it. I'll keep you posted Cylon357

I can see getting away with HCG Solo for 6 weeks, maybe 3 months, but my gut says 6 would be pushing it. I don't have anything to go on there other than gut, tho. I would encourage experimentation and research on that.

Clomid... I was on for three years as HRT and my numbers looked good, so tolerance is not an issue. What IS absolutely an issue with clomid is the presence of zuclomiphene. That compound is the negative part of clomid. That's the part that makes us (made me) feel like it wasn't doing much, even though numbers looked good. Thus the recommend previously that you take a look at enclomiphene.

There is some chatter about blocking the estrogen receptor being the real root cause of not feeling well on long term clomid use, and the theory is that it would extend to all SERMs, including enclomiphene. I can't speak to that directly yet.

[Cylon357]

I'm still not 100% sure I'm understanding what you want to do. Are you looking for a long term solution for TRT that is NOT testosterone? Just want to run something for a few months to reset?

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I'm still not 100% sure I'm understanding what you want to do. Are you looking for a long term solution for TRT that is NOT testosterone? Just want to run something for a few months to reset?

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Don’t know what you’re getting at after skimming through this thread