I can understand why u dont wanna fess up to what u said, it is all a bunch of crap
Hey sinile Pinical Einstein, copy and past from your post above :
"What comes next is the most important part of this entire e-mail. As I
have repeatedly said here and in my earlier e-mail: LONG[TM]R[3]IGF-I
IS POTENTIALLY UNSAFE AND SHOULD NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BE USED IN HUMANS."
The above is your post buddy, and dont give me bs about you just forwarding a 3rd partY email....fact is u bought into it line hook and sinker, and defend everything its says...LIKE IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD OR SOMETHING...
so there r no stinking studies, and all that is just a bunch of crap...just as we all suspected....glad u fessing up to it...
AND YOUR MAMA POTTIE TRAINED YOU WAY TOO SOON BUDDY.....
Intelegent debate with Pinical is an Oximoron
There is no such thing as an intelegent debate with you Pinical...this is your idea of an intelegent debate...:1hifu:
Only a dumb jackass would believe everything he reads in a PR email...and thats is clearly you PIN...and only a jackass would assert repeatedly without proof that a well established name brand like GenSci is carp and bogus...angain that jackass is you PIN. And i aint angry stupid - you are, I DARED QUESTIONED YOU - AND U GOT YOUR FEELING HURT..OHHHHHHHHHH...
although i admit to stuping down to your level...with the name calling, but you know what...the term jackass fits u well Pinn....[ this is the same Pinn that bragged about how good igf was in prior posts right?, but now recants his prior bullshit....oh i mean missguided ideas and beliefs..HOW MANEY MORE MISGUIDED IDEAS DO U HAVE MR. KNOW IT ALL? ]
Jackass away your ideas and thoughts with self defensive measures and name calling - i can do the same jackass...and believe all the PR a company puts out PIN...and hide behind other peoples emails so u don’t have to take blame for their content that u vomit on us here....u were born yesterday and it shows.
Understand that I Understand..clearly and fully
I understand that the Einstein PINICAL posted an email form the IGF-1 R3 patent holder, and he holds what it says as bible...
Understand that I find that email suspicious, and not credible as to (1) that there is just one manufacturer of igf-1 r3 and that (2) all the IGF-1 r3 produced worldwide constitutes such a minute amount that all the IGF-1 r3 sold is bogus....THAT IS WHAT THE ARTICAL SAYS...I DONT BELIEVE IT....GOT IT?....Pinical on the other hand attacks anyone who questions the veracity of that self-serving article he vomited on here....and has guys saying they are not going to use IGF no more because of it....
PINICAL REPEATEDLY ATTACHS GENSCI PRODUCTS WITHOUT BASIS (in fact he asserts all igf-1 r3 is bogus)....WITHOUT POSTING ANY STUDY TO SHOW THEY R IN ANYWAY LESS THAN THEY PURPORT TO BE...THIS IS CHEAP BULL SHIT ON HIS PART...
AS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IGF-1 R3 HE ADMITS THERE R NO HUMAN STUDIES...SO ALL THE CRAP IN HIS EMAIL POSTED (ABOUT IT BEING TOXIC TO HUMANS AT SOME UNSPECIFIED LEVEL) IS WITHOUT BASIS.....and clinical studies on rats are the closest we going to get as to its effects on humans....AND THEY SHOW MUSCLE GROWTH.
I don’t believe the facts that email article and pinical assert...not credible to me. And I am sharing this doubt with whoever wants to consider it. I believe there r a number of manufacturers of IGF-1 r3 and more than a minute amount is produced by them (all be it in violation of international copywriter laws - which China and some other countries don’t abide by).
U ARE FEE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER U WANT..including what Mr. Jackass says...and the PR emails he posts...The Piper Pinn seems to have a few gym rats that follow him blindly here...(first espousing IGF's great potential, and now saying IGF is all crap, and even if real poison...READ THE CRAP HE POSTED).
lets not beat a dead horse here...u aren’t going to change my opinion without proof that GenSci IGF is crap...and without human studies to show the rat studies don’t apply to humans....
And I don’t need to grow up buddy,,,not the one who is condescending, stuck up, and full of himself - look at pinicals threads for that OR HAVE U NOT BEEN READING HIS SNOTNOSED THREADS?
....AND MY PURPOSE HERE IS NOT TO MAKE CHUM BUDDIES WITH STUCK UP CONDESENDING STUPID ASS JERKS, LIKE PIN.....OR TO FOLLOW BLINDLY left and right WHAT SOME KNOW IT ALL SAYS ....or to believe everything I read in a PR email...i dont need no stinking pide piper to follow blindly- i have a brain of my own, and am looking forward to using my IGF-1 R3 again!!! And yes i understand about the risks that the stuff, like any roid i buy, may be bogus, and if real its effects not fully understood on humans, etc etc.(there are a lot of issues surounding IGF and HGH). So no not expecting miricals, but then i never did believe the crap about it being incredible....that was just hype from guys having an interest in selling their inventory of IGF (daaaaa did u not pick up on that?) , but i did c decent gains last time i used it, that seemed perminent...so I am doing it again...its just that simple for me.
IGF and HGH and increase in stem muscle cells, Lagging effects of their use.
Well thats great to hear that 100mcg is as good as 200 mcg (at least for Pinnical on those days he believes real IGF exits and is not toxic to humans), would save us all money experimenting if true for most...
Just wanna comment on my understanding as to muscle growth and IGF and HGH...according to what i read IGF and HGH increase the number of stem muscle cells (i.e. baby muscle cells that in time mature into adult muscle cells)....IGF and HGH do not make biger the muscle cells u already have (roids do that)...so that the effects of IGF and HGH are seen months after their use is discontinued....when these muscle stem cells mature...Has anyone noticed this lag effect on muscle growth after IGF or hgh.? I think i have, but its difficult to quantify because of intervining cycles.... Just wondering....
The fat reduction is something more immidiately noticable...and is a key characteristic of both IGF and HGH....and some say what they r best used for...on an immidiate basis...
My two cents on your 4 good questions
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Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21
I got a few random things to say.
1-Hasnt igf been around forever why does everyone care so much now. I remember reading about it years and years ago and how it was the blame for everyones extended gut. I think it was in a bill phillips(whoever ran that body make over thing and gave out corvets) book about how it was responsable for all the guts. So why bring it back and why is it blowing up now?
2- Theres a lot of big companys that make gh that we love there products so much and trust them so much, why do we question there igf? Then to get to the bottom if its not igf what is it? If they can make hgh why couldnt they make igf?
3-Why arent the producers or sellers that we know are around and reading this chime in? This isnt the first thread of its kind?
4-Like pinn said its good to see people with no ties opinions. Personally Im going to run some igf my self hopefully soon from a chinese powder source and get blood work done and see what happens. But the time sometime next 2 months I get to do this I will have been juice free for over 9 months and taking igf only at 80mcg. So I can form my own opinion cause you never know till ya did it yourself.
THanks for listiening to me ramble.
Well first you are not rambling (although Pinn might dissagree)...those r good questions...here is my take on the answere :
1. IGF-1 has been around a long time, but (1) not IGF-1R3 and (2) not at prices regulare guys can afford...
IGF-1, when it first came out..made HGH look cheep (thats what i remember)...This new varient IGF-1r3 lasts substantially longer, and can be purchased by most guys at prices ranging from 50-250 per 1mg, and is now cheaper to use than HGH....Hence the new interest by a new class of users....but with respect to a new varient of the natural IGF. The fact that its legal and can be purchased with a CC also adds to its wide spread use currently.
2. Established companies that make IGF-1 are not untrusted by reasonable peaple. I said REASONABLE PEAPLE, ie not PIN. IGF-1 r3 has a patent on it, which is held by one company and this company whants (1) u to buy just its IGF-1 for "research" at a nice price mind u but (2) does not want to be liable if u kill or harm yourself somehow using it.(enlarged heart, facial deformations, etc..)....so it puts out that PR BS about only its stuff being real igf-1r3 and that crap about it being poison, and cousing muscle attrophy etc. without proper clinical back up - to cover its ass.....It can be sued by you..[in the absense of clinical trial on humans to that effect those assertions are not really credible, I think it knows this-and expects the illegal users of IGF-1 to ignore its statements about the ineffectivness and toxicity of igf-1r3 ].
The Patent holder is trying to stop the Chinese from taking over vertually the entire market for IGF-1 r3, by espossing all IGF-1 is crap except for its own. Thats obviouse to me.
CHINA does not abide by international copywright laws...under Chines law I believe its companies are free to manufacture IGF-1 without having to pay royalities to the international Patent holder...This pisses the patent holder off...and the patent holder is behind the BS (that gullible guys like PIN believe) that all Chinese stuff is crap...regardless of how reputable the manufacturer is.....the Chinese stuff is damn cheap, damn good - and cuts in on their profits -ouchies!!! Hence the PR email to PINN espousing all IGF-1 purchased (except the patent holder's) is bogus.
3. The Chines producers like GenSci - are ligitimate, have international subs and web cites...and remember GenSci is a HUGE company listed in the Chinese stock exchanges and in the European exchanges I believe and IGF-1 r3 is just one little product it manufactures out of thousands....ITS NOT THAT MATERIAL TO ITS OVERALL OPERATIONS....
When u buy GenSci stuff it tells u in small print details - what it does, what its used for, how much to take...HOW THEY MADE IT (through recombinent RNA). etc...well at least the instructions i got with my GenSci HGH did...and I am sure its IGF does too...it is liable for those clinical assertions in countries it ligitimately sells that product...Eastern Europe, China, etc...
This BS bought into by PINN and his cronies above - is not really credible for one, CONSIDER ITS SOURCE, HAS NO CLINICAL TRIALS TO BACK IT UP and has not cut into their (Chinese) businesses - thats one reason why the Chinese dont do nothing. The Patent holder on the other hand obviously is trying to do something about the situation (the Chinese taking over its market for IGF-1 r3) - by issuing that BS PR Pinn sooooo gulibly believed....
Also GenSci (etc) is a ligitimate company and the concerns voiced above are illigitimate concerns (by peaple using IGF for illegal non medical purposes ....if GenSci where to actively go after an illegal market - it would look real bad and cheesy - and compromise its other business).
Having an MBA this is kinda self evedent to me...its all about money, profit and market share - wake up and smell the green stuff....
4. PINN obviously has some ties to the patent holder...he corrisponds with them by email how maney of us do that? ...their is something there going on between PINN and the Patent holder...a bit too chumsy for my tast... and he hates all things Chineses apparently....looks like...
Thats my two cents on your questions...
Well i dont have time to edit the above, or to spell check (will do that latter) for now i think anyone with a half decent intent can make out what this poor immigrant boy has to say....
Not everyone is a Native American - Smarty Pants
Not a native american smattry school marms - LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT U CAN DO WITH THAT RED SCHOOL MARM PENCIL - Einstein the real one, could not spell worth a shit...nor could Edison.. or Bell..etc....iT DONT MEAN SHIT - OHHH EXCEPT IF U CAN...THEN ITS CITED AS PROOF THAT U ARE BETTER --- YEA RIGHT...DREAM ON ENGLISH MAJORS WITH CRAPY LOW PAYING JOBS....
yEA I HAVE AN MBA FROM A MAJOR SCHOOL AND GRADUATED WITH HONORS...THEY CARED IF I HAD BUINESS SENSE OR NOT....SPELLING WE HAVE SECRITARIES THAT GET PAID 20 DOLLARS AN HOUR TO CORRECT MINE AND MY LESS THAN PERFECT ENGLISH GRAMMER TOO....I GET PAID A HELL OF A LOT MORE :) FOR WHAT I DO...
AND IN GRAD SCHOOL I JUST HIRED SOMEONE AT 4 DOLLARS AN HOURS TO CORRECT MY SPELLING AND GRAMMER....ENGLISH MAJORS DONT GET PAID MUCH....THE ABILITY TO SPELL IS A DINE A DOZEN AND CARIES LITLE VALUE UNLESS U ARE APPLYING TO BE A SECRITARY OR CLERK MAYBE....AND I HAD OTHER AMBITIONS THAN TO BE A SECRITARY....
THE ABILITY TO REASON PROPERLY, AND MAKE SOUND DECISIONS - THATS NOT A DIME A DOZEN....AND THATS WHAT I DO....
AND I WAS PREMED UNDERGRAD - NOT AN ENGLISH MAJOR, AND NOBODY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT SPELLING IN THE SCIENCES....WE WERE NOT STUDYING TO BE SECRETARIES, AND CLERKS...AND AT THE MBA LEVEL THERE R MANY FOREIGNERS WHO CANT SPELL WORTH A SHIT TOO...SO NOBODY GAVE A SHIT THERE EITHER....JUST HAD TO HIRE A SECRITARY OR ENGLISH MAJOR TO TYPE MY PAPERS IS ALL...AND THEY WERE EASY AND CHEAP TO GET...
LOOL TAKE THIS ANYWAY U WANT - BUT ONLY SOMEONE WITH A PETTY, AND I MEAN PETTY - AS IN SMALL - MIND IS GONNA MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF SOMEONE'S SPELLING ON HERE....
I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA INVEST SUBSTANTIAL TIME CORRECTING MY SPELLING HERE,, AND THE SPELL CHECKER ON HERE SUCKS BTW....
Mr Or Omega's Testing Their Product? - Would It Really Prove Anything?
I Understand Why We All Would Like Omega's Or Mr's Or Jentropins For That Matter Igf-1 To Be Tested.....
But it is obserd ask Omega or MR etc...to Test Their Own Product....what do you supose is the likelyhood that theri self test would show The product Is Bogus....? Ohhhhhh I Am Taking A Wild Guess Here, But I Would Say It Would Be Remote...not A Sound Business Decision :)
No What We Want...is An Independent 3rd Party Lab To Do The Testing..we Buy The Stuff And Send It To The Lab.....if Anyone Finds One...i Will Be Glad To Donate To The Couse To Pay For That Testing...if We Ban Together It Wont Be That Expensive...if Such A Lab Can Be Found..
What U Are Sensative Now?
Ohhh Now There Is A New New Pin Who Is Sensative!!!!....."i Cant Say Its Nice Knowing You" .....
i SAID EMAIL ADDRESS not Web Page...i could of just used a search engin to find the home page of that company...you have that email or not?
You Dont Know Me From Adam Got It?....yet U Judged Me...and Were Snooty And Condesending Twords Me And My Posts Which Were Well Founded - And U really Dont Know Shit...none of us do !!, we all have more questions than answers here especially about ifg-1 r3 and hgh...the problems with you is u think u actually know it all and the have THE ANSWEREs...and are snotty and condesending about it..you dont have THE ANSWER ...COME TO GRIPS WITH THAT...
I Dont Know U From Adam....i Dont Wanna Know You From Adam....you Are Just A Snot Nosed Know It All That Dont Know Shitt to me.....get Off Your High And Mighty Horse U Dont Belong There. None of us belong there.