From what I can tell from my research, if used properly, with a pct, this is very similar to a low dose test cycle with minimal sides, and far safer. What do you guys know about it/what are your experiences?
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From what I can tell from my research, if used properly, with a pct, this is very similar to a low dose test cycle with minimal sides, and far safer. What do you guys know about it/what are your experiences?
Im trying to remember who did a log. I think Bass did. Maybe do a search on s4 log with his username.
BTW, S4 is more suppressive than you think. and as for low doe test cycle it makes no difference whether you inject 10mgs or 600mgs it will suppress you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllKindsOGains
Read through your log. Obviously need to do a pct. Was it worth the risk to you? What is your recommended pct?Quote:
Originally Posted by bass
for me it was not worth the sides i got from S4.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllKindsOGains
PCT copied from Austinite's article,
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20
Anything need to be taken on cycle?
AKOG you seem pretty set on going through with the S4 but i'd advise against it. It's still suppressive and will interrupt the homeostasis of your HPTA. While you may see some gains i doubt it'll be worth the risk or even significantly more effective than peptides.
The decision is up to you but i'm in the same boat and did my research on SARMs and came to the conclusion it wasn't worth it and have continued on the path of waiting a while longer before cycling properly.
I doubt that current SARMs could be compared even with the weakest steroids in terms of muscle and strength gains. Nevertheless, my experience with S4 (Andarine) was not useless. It differs from the majority of common drugs due to its stunning effect on the increase of energy reserves. It would be great for rowers, short-distance swimmers or 400 m runners. But the problem is that long-term side effects of this drug are not known.
In contrast, I would never repeat my experience with Ostarine. It is quite weak and highly toxic on liver.
I understand your position khazima. However, I think about the fact that, especially with syringes, bac water, etc. a pep cycle of say ghrp2 and mod grf129 is going to be damn near the same cost if taken 3x a day, which is what you would need to do to see results. This would provide solid experience with a pct and from the logs I have seen s4, especially fro. Ar-r, elicits some damn good, keepable gains in a short period of time. No injections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khazima
That's true, but it doesn't change the fact that you'd be suppressing your developing HPTA, which is the entire problem with just taking steroids in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllKindsOGains
In all honesty you'll probably be fine from what i've read, it's just my current understanding that anything that suppresses or shuts down the HPTA at our age could be harmful in the long term. Even a thread on here shows bloodwork that ostarine severely suppressed the OP.
If you do go through with it i'd be interested in seeing a log though.
I'll be making a log, not sure which thread I should put it in. Kind of like it to be somewhere it will be seen.
well said, I didn't know he was only 19!Quote:
Originally Posted by Khazima
OP, my advice don't do any aas at your age or you'll regret it, believe me.
The Young and Steroids
Possible suppression but with a full pct vs potential shutdown with aas. I guess it's worth the risk to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bass
S4 log is now up, please take a gander
link?