Critique my GH/Slin/Peptides cycle

[Cupid]

Hi,

I just finished a lengthy and successful cut and going straight into a lean bulk.
Just coming off tren/mast/var and dropping test back down to TRT levels (although I may bring it back up to 300mg/week)

Been on TRT for a few years now. Experienced with pretty much all AAS up to 2g a week total. Experienced with peptides for about 1 year now (highest dose being 100mcg Mod GRF/100mcg Ipamorelin/100mcg GHRP-2 3x daily - SO MUCH FUCKING GASTRIC TURBULENCE and wrist pain from this shit lol). This is first time I am running GH and slin.
Personally I only want to use slin post workout for now (my workouts are extremely high intensity and high volume and I really can't be bothered with thinking about glucose levels etc while I am in the zone).

So here is my plan:

300mg Test C weekly
Wake up and pin 3iu growth along with 3iu Humalog and go for 20 mins fasted cardio (I try to do cardio even when bulking, my appetite is fucking huge, I make up for it in food no worries)
Have breakfast (usually about 50g protein, 20g fat, and 100g carb from oats or something similar)
Go train an hour later.
Post workout i will pin 3iu growth along with 10iu Humalog and down my shake (100g Karbolyn with 50g whey isolate). An hour later I will have a big ass meal of brown rice/white rice and lean protein (Comes out to 50g protein and about 120g carb)
And then have 2-3 more meals for remainder of the day which will still be high protein and high carb and fats as well.
Total daily macros will come out to about 250g protein, 500g carb, 80g fat (I am 5'6, weigh 194 lbs at about 10% BF).
I will eat my last meal 2 hours before bed. Right before bed I will pin 100mcg Mod GRF 1-29 with 100mcg Ipamorelin and 100mcg GHRP-2 (Maybe I'll swap the GHRP-2 for Hex instead and toggle back and forth every 4 weeks).

I intend on running the growth for at least 6 months - if finances allow maybe indefinitely.
The slin I am thinking 6 weeks on 6 weeks off and repeat.
The gear I will hold at 300mg/week Test only for the next 2 months (I have been on high doses all year, need to allow for a break). After 2 months, I will do a 3 month blast of Test/EQ and add in Tren the last 6 weeks. This will make it so I have 3 total cycles of slin (1 now while on low gear, 1 coming in to my 3 month blast, and 1 more that will align with when I add in Tren.

Someone who knows what they are talking about, please point out if I am making any errors here, especially in regards to the timing of my GH/slin/peptides. Anything stand out as blatantly incorrect? Anything can be improved (other than using slin pre/intra workout)?

Thank You for your feedback!

[Windex]

HGH is pinned 45-60 minute window before/after food.

As well, you don't want to start at 6IU a day. 2IU and titrate up 1IU every 4 weeks or so.

[GearHeaded]

HGH is pinned 45-60 minute window before/after food.

he is running insulin and a high amount of carbs with this protocol. so it sounds like his number one goal here for using the HGH is growth. and if thats the case then taking HGH around the use of insulin and carbs is going to generate more IGF and ultimately more growth.

Pinning HGH an hour before food is more beneficial for lipolytic effects of HGH use, not growth effects.

As well, you don't want to start at 6IU a day. 2IU and titrate up 1IU every 4 weeks or so.

imo, for growth. I wouldn't start with anything less then 5iu per day. you want the synergy with the insulin and the carbs to be 'dramatic' enough that your liver is going to kick up the production of IGF

[GearHeaded]

op - for convenience sake, instead of messing with mixing 3 different peptides and injecting them at night. you could simply do Hexarelin only at night for 4 weeks, then switch to MK677 for 4 weeks, then back to Hex, back to MK, etc.. add some oral somatastatin inhibitors as well if you want and your golden, without messing with mixing all those peptides.

[Cupid]

op - for convenience sake, instead of messing with mixing 3 different peptides and injecting them at night. you could simply do Hexarelin only at night for 4 weeks, then switch to MK677 for 4 weeks, then back to Hex, back to MK, etc.. add some oral somatastatin inhibitors as well if you want and your golden, without messing with mixing all those peptides.

Ok thank you, this makes sense, I will do that.

Could you give me your feedback on a couple things please?

1 - What do you think of my plan to do GH + insulin + fasted cardio in AM followed by breakfast 45 mins after inject? (Also plan on taking 100mcg T4 daily) My main purpose of this part of the protocol is to limit fat gain as much as possible.

2 - I started PWO insulin at 5iu yesterday, controlled no problem. Gonna go to 10 today. If I am only doing 3-5iu in the AM.....how high do you think i can push my post workout dose to. Think I can go to 15 or even 20 iu as long as I am controlling to not go hypo? I mean....this shit isn't really that hard. I am starting at 10g karbolyn per iu and will slowly bring it down to 7g per iu....I don't think I should have too much trouble managing the hypo, esp eating a big ass carb meal 60 mins after the shake anyways. Is there a certain point where increasing the insulin dose does not necessarily yield any extra benefit?


BTW - this morning I took my blood sugar reading upon waking. Came out to 95. Pinned my 3iu GH + 3iu Humalog, didn't do cardio this morning....but after 30 mins my blood sugar reading came out to 83. I am gonna try to push the morning insulin dose to 5iu and check with readings. At what glucose reading would I know that ok this is my max dose of insulin for morning without risking hypo?

Also, my reasons for going to straight 6iu per day are the following:
I am using generic yellow tops, and I am assuming all that shit is underdosed so it would be closer to 4iu of pharma grade shit.
And second, even though this is my first run with actual GH, I have used peptides before in decent quantities for months, I think my body has some experience with elevated GH and if sides start appearing I will reduce the dose for a week and up it again slowly.
And lastly, my body seems to tolerate various drugs extremely well in general - I know this is a stupid mindset to keep - but worst come to worst I can just reduce.....alternatively if 6iu ends up NOT giving me much problems, why the fuck should I not do it???


Thank You!

[GearHeaded]

Ok thank you, this makes sense, I will do that.

Could you give me your feedback on a couple things please?

1 - What do you think of my plan to do GH + insulin + fasted cardio in AM followed by breakfast 45 mins after inject? (Also plan on taking 100mcg T4 daily) My main purpose of this part of the protocol is to limit fat gain as much as possible.

I've been giving out a similar protocol to this since I joined this forum. insulin use for fasted cardio was controversial on this site when I first brought it up .. anyways

upon waking
3iu of insulin
2iu HGH
500mcg HGH-Frag
10mg Yohimbe
Caffeine and Var (dose depending on person)
FASTED CARDIO

as for the T4 while on an HGH and Insulin protocol . ABSOLUTELY a good idea. especially if your slin usage gets up towards the 25iu per day range. the slin at that dosage is going to up regulate the conversion of T4 into T3. so your going to be growing but also going to be keeping the metabolism going and partitioning and absorbing your nutrition as well. and of course this will offset some of the thyroid down regulation that happens with HGH use

[GearHeaded]

as for peri-workout insulin protocols . 10iu pre workout and 15iu post workout. thats about the max sweet spot.

your AM insulin use. being your using it for fasted cardio, then your whole goal there is to drive blood glucose down as far as possible without going hypo. so simply use whatever dose you can safely do this.

if you were using AM insulin usage for growth and not for fat loss , then 10iu upon waking with whey isolate and carbs is what I do and recommend.

[Cupid]

as for peri-workout insulin protocols . 10iu pre workout and 15iu post workout. thats about the max sweet spot.

your AM insulin use. being your using it for fasted cardio, then your whole goal there is to drive blood glucose down as far as possible without going hypo. so simply use whatever dose you can safely do this.

if you were using AM insulin usage for growth and not for fat loss , then 10iu upon waking with whey isolate and carbs is what I do and recommend.

Ok sounds good.

Im gonna use the morning insulin for fat loss and post workout run 10 iu on my 6 trainings days, and maybe on the days I train my lagging muscles, I will use 15iu

The mini scientist in me is so incredibly curious to see how gains will be on this 300mg Test + HGH/Slin protocol in comparison to when I ran just 500mg Test + 500mg Tren. What do you think?

[Cupid]

So its been a week on this now. Its hard to tell what the results are because I started this protocol right as I came off 350 test/350 tren/350 mast/200 eq/50 daily anavar...... so there was definitely a major drop in aggression and general gear headedness. Its challenging going through the amount of training volume I used to before and I am not as confident when doing my heavy compounds. Also lost alot of hardness which is to be expected.
HOWEVER, it seems I am not losing much size....scale is going up, but that is more water/fat gain from coming off all the androgenic compounds.....from what I can tell though, my muscles are still the same size, possibly even getting bigger.
I am doing 2iu GH in morning + 3 iu Humalog
Post workout I am doing 4iu GH + 15iu Humalog.
Havent gone hypo yet.

However, I feel like after my post workout growth and insulin shot, my body goes to shit, as in....water retention and just feeling fat.....but by morning time, an after hour my morning GH shot, I don't look fat or bloated. Can someone explain this?

Also, my face is really bloated all the time. Is this insulin related? Or do you guys think this is a result of jumping straight to 6iu GH per day?

[GearHeaded]

coming off of androgens is going to make you hold water.
HGH is going to make you hold water and alter your sodium balance.
carbohydrates (needed due to using slin) are going to make you hold water.

holding some water is where your at right now, but really thats kinda part of the process and where you want to be right now to help retain as much muscle as possible post cycle
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...pensation.html

[Kyle1337]

coming off of androgens is going to make you hold water.
HGH is going to make you hold water and alter your sodium balance.
carbohydrates (needed due to using slin) are going to make you hold water.

holding some water is where your at right now, but really thats kinda part of the process and where you want to be right now to help retain as much muscle as possible post cycle
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...pensation.html

Touching base on a slightly older post but... What does HGH do to your sodium balance?