HGH - brand new - How much and how long?

[djnuffsaid]

Can anyone post some links or comment to HGH for a novice? I've never touched the stuff before but after about 5 years of blasting AAS it's got my attention. Problem is I have no idea how scientifically it works, nor do I know how much to pin each day or how long and effective a go at it is. I guess the reason I never got into it before is because the shit is super expensive.

[GearHeaded]

I have a thread on HGH usage here

https://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3...on-thread.html


your HGH usage protocol is going to be based on your goal and reasons for taking it . eg, if fat loss is your goal then theres a protocol for that, but if hypertrophy is your goal thats a different protocol

[djnuffsaid]

OK great, I read a lot of that post and am finishing reading it now. Let's say our goal is to shed the last bit of stubborn fat and tone up/get hard. How long is a normal cycle of HGH? Is 4 weeks at 4-6iu/ED enough to notice a difference? Is it normally stacked with AAS or done on PCT/Cruise dose?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

OK great, I read a lot of that post and am finishing reading it now. Let's say our goal is to shed the last bit of stubborn fat and tone up/get hard. How long is a normal cycle of HGH? Is 4 weeks at 4-6iu/ED enough to notice a difference? Is it normally stacked with AAS or done on PCT/Cruise dose?

No, HGH has to be run long term to really see any cosmetic benefits. I’d run a minimum of 6 months and assess from there, but you can run it indefinitely. You can run it during both blast and cruise.

[GearHeaded]

OK great, I read a lot of that post and am finishing reading it now. Let's say our goal is to shed the last bit of stubborn fat and tone up/get hard. How long is a normal cycle of HGH? Is 4 weeks at 4-6iu/ED enough to notice a difference? Is it normally stacked with AAS or done on PCT/Cruise dose?

like cougars said. your best bet is to run it long term if you can, a good 6-8 month run will yield the best results . However, IF your just looking for some fat loss benefits , then you can run it for just a fat loss phase to speed up that process (for actual muscle gains though, 6+ months is best).

so this is what you'll do for fat loss

take 2iu first thing upon waking.. then take
10mg yohimbe
20mcg Clen
200mg Caffeine
3iu slin (if you use slin , if not then skip this)

then 30 mins later start a fasted cardio session

then later that afternoon shoot another 2iu of HGH. so total of 4iu per day, spit dosage is best for fat loss

[djnuffsaid]

Great thank you! Sent you a PM GH

[Wannabhuge14]

OK great, I read a lot of that post and am finishing reading it now. Let's say our goal is to shed the last bit of stubborn fat and tone up/get hard. How long is a normal cycle of HGH? Is 4 weeks at 4-6iu/ED enough to notice a difference? Is it normally stacked with AAS or done on PCT/Cruise dose?

4-6 weeks? Jeez you obviously haven’t researched in the least.

[Windex]

You need to read and research a lot more. Without a rolodex you are easily going to get scammed - it's the most faked compound for a reason.

On top of that recognize it's the most expensive and is not economical relative to its effects. You better have multiple thousands of dollars of disposable income annually to be able to afford HGH.

[kaptainkeezy04]

like cougars said. your best bet is to run it long term if you can, a good 6-8 month run will yield the best results . However, IF your just looking for some fat loss benefits , then you can run it for just a fat loss phase to speed up that process (for actual muscle gains though, 6+ months is best).

so this is what you'll do for fat loss

take 2iu first thing upon waking.. then take
10mg yohimbe
20mcg Clen
200mg Caffeine
3iu slin (if you use slin , if not then skip this)

then 30 mins later start a fasted cardio session

then later that afternoon shoot another 2iu of HGH. so total of 4iu per day, spit dosage is best for fat loss

I've been trying to find out more about why insulin (I use Humalog) is beneficial before cardio. I'm aware that it is an anti-catabolic hormone but is that the only reason?

[kaptainkeezy04]

Can anyone post some links or comment to HGH for a novice? I've never touched the stuff before but after about 5 years of blasting AAS it's got my attention. Problem is I have no idea how scientifically it works, nor do I know how much to pin each day or how long and effective a go at it is. I guess the reason I never got into it before is because the shit is super expensive.

If you're used to "blasting AAS" as you put, and plan to use AAS alongside HGH then you can expect noticeable fat loss (With the right diet) within two weeks, significant in 4 weeks in my experience (but maybe my body sheds faster than others). The other people in this thread are correct, you shouldn't expect much from HGH alone too soon, but if your cutting phases are like mine then you should see very quick results.

I always cut with Test, tren, var, clen, and hgh. Plus superdrol during workouts. Basically I'm using some good anabolic and anti-catabolic compounds plus a couple of good fat burners like clen and hgh while on a keto diet, and the fat loss happens pretty quickly. I always do two-a-days as well. If I am lifting weights that day, then I do one cardio session as well. I'm in not lifting that day then I do two cardio sessions.

I'm sorry to go off on this tangent and talk about me a bunch, but I just want you to know that the right combination of compounds, exercise, and diet, can get you great results in 4 weeks.

[GearHeaded]

I've been trying to find out more about why insulin (I use Humalog) is beneficial before cardio. I'm aware that it is an anti-catabolic hormone but is that the only reason?

a couple of reasons . to blunt Cortisol and to blunt gluconeogenisis (the hepatic conversation of proteins into glucose , and the breaking down of muscle tissue for fuel). When waking up your Cotisol levels are generally elevated (Cortisol is a hormone thats catabolic and responsible for stimulating gluconeogenisis) , and if your going to then go and do fasted cardio your Cotisol is likely going to stay elevated and your in a position to be a lot more 'catabolic' . Insulin is an anti - cortisol . it will blunt cortisol instantly (and thus yes your correct its anti catabolic)..

with Cortisol levels surpassed, gluconeogeniss is also surpressed , and when doing fasted cardio your body is not going to be breaking down proteins to make glucose for energy ,, its more likely going to begin utilizing fat for fuel


also , and this is a bit more bro science based, taking insulin before fasted cardio will help clear blood sugars that have elevated over night, and when blood serum levels of glucose are low your more likely going to oxidize more fat for fuel (assuming your doing a more lipolytic based form of cardio then a glycolytic based form of cardio)

[kaptainkeezy04]

a couple of reasons . to blunt Cortisol and to blunt gluconeogenisis (the hepatic conversation of proteins into glucose , and the breaking down of muscle tissue for fuel). When waking up your Cotisol levels are generally elevated (Cortisol is a hormone thats catabolic and responsible for stimulating gluconeogenisis) , and if your going to then go and do fasted cardio your Cotisol is likely going to stay elevated and your in a position to be a lot more 'catabolic' . Insulin is an anti - cortisol . it will blunt cortisol instantly (and thus yes your correct its anti catabolic)..

with Cortisol levels surpassed, gluconeogeniss is also surpressed , and when doing fasted cardio your body is not going to be breaking down proteins to make glucose for energy ,, its more likely going to begin utilizing fat for fuel


also , and this is a bit more bro science based, taking insulin before fasted cardio will help clear blood sugars that have elevated over night, and when blood serum levels of glucose are low your more likely going to oxidize more fat for fuel (assuming your doing a more lipolytic based form of cardio then a glycolytic based form of cardio)

Okay got it! However, I've heard that the presence of insulin will prevent the breakdown of fats. Is this however nullified by the injection of HGH? If I decide to go this route, how soon after my hgh injection should I take the Humalog? and how much time between my Humalog injection cardio start time should there be?

[GearHeaded]

Okay got it! However, I've heard that the presence of insulin will prevent the breakdown of fats. Is this however nullified by the injection of HGH? If I decide to go this route, how soon after my hgh injection should I take the Humalog? and how much time between my Humalog injection cardio start time should there be?

ok the reason you may often hear that the presence of insulin blunts the oxidation of fat (especially among keto proponents you hear this) is simply because people are coming at that perspective from a 'natural' point of view (not from an exogenous hormone and PED use point of view).

so think about it, in a natural state how do we get a spike in insulin ? well by eating food and especially carbs.. what does that do to your blood sugar , well it elevates it big time. so now your body has plenty of its preferred energy source readily available . your body isn't go to need to tap into stored fat sources. and again , the only reason that insulin is present is because blood glucose is elevated. so its not the insulin itself thats blunting fat oxidation. its the consumption of food and the elevation of blood sugars (the insulin spike is just a by product)..


WE on the other hand are not relying on food and elevated glucose levels to get that insulin spike. we are NOT providing our body additional energy source to pool from . we are totally fasted (and have been for hours on end from sleeping 8 hours) and taking insulin exogenously.
and per what I already mentioned, its not the insulin itself that blunts fat oxidation.

the insulin use for fasted cardio is very low , like 3iu is all . you only need enough to blunt cortisol and keep blood sugars on the low end of the scale

for timing -
I would inject your HGH first thing upon waking .. then take your stims. then 30-40 mins later shoot your humalog and start the fasted cardio.

[HoldMyBeer]

ok the reason you may often hear that the presence of insulin blunts the oxidation of fat (especially among keto proponents you hear this) is simply because people are coming at that perspective from a 'natural' point of view (not from an exogenous hormone and PED use point of view).

so think about it, in a natural state how do we get a spike in insulin ? well by eating food and especially carbs.. what does that do to your blood sugar , well it elevates it big time. so now your body has plenty of its preferred energy source readily available . your body isn't go to need to tap into stored fat sources. and again , the only reason that insulin is present is because blood glucose is elevated. so its not the insulin itself thats blunting fat oxidation. its the consumption of food and the elevation of blood sugars (the insulin spike is just a by product)..


WE on the other hand are not relying on food and elevated glucose levels to get that insulin spike. we are NOT providing our body additional energy source to pool from . we are totally fasted (and have been for hours on end from sleeping 8 hours) and taking insulin exogenously.
and per what I already mentioned, its not the insulin itself that blunts fat oxidation.

the insulin use for fasted cardio is very low , like 3iu is all . you only need enough to blunt cortisol and keep blood sugars on the low end of the scale

for timing -
I would inject your HGH first thing upon waking .. then take your stims. then 30-40 mins later shoot your humalog and start the fasted cardio.

I was wondering that myself. It didn't make sense that insulin would blunt fat oxidation, the oxidation process has nothing to do with insulin. I was thinking about it in a vacuum, I wasn't thinking about it in terms of insulin being present because there was already a fuel source available.

[GearHeaded]

I was wondering that myself. It didn't make sense that insulin would blunt fat oxidation, the oxidation process has nothing to do with insulin. I was thinking about it in a vacuum, I wasn't thinking about it in terms of insulin being present because there was already a fuel source available.

yeah , in nature insulin is only present because glucose is present/elevated . of course we have the tools with exogenous hormones like insulin to be able to bypass whats natural